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House of Reps Definition of “Natural Born Citizen” = Born of citizen “parents” in the US.
Natural Born Citizen ^ | March 9, 2011 | Leo Donofrio

Posted on 03/09/2011 1:39:10 PM PST by patlin

Bingham NBC defined 1872

During a debate (see pg. 2791) regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen. Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:

“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.” (The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872.)

Notice that Bingham declares Houard to be a “natural-born citizen” by citing two factors – born of citizen parents in the US.

John Bingham, aka “father of the 14th Amendment”, was an abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincoln’s assassins. Ten years earlier, he stated on the House floor:

“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.” (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))

Then in 1866, Bingham also stated on the House floor:

“Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Bingham’s definition of “natural born citizen” (born of citizen parents in the US) was never challenged on the floor of the House.

Furthermore, the Supreme Court’s holding in Wong Kim Ark did not address Presidential eligibility, nor did it define “natural born citizen”. It simply clarified who was a “citizen”. Had the framers of the 14th Amendment sought to define nbc, they would have used the words “natural born” in the Amendment. But they didn’t.

Do not allow the opposition to state this definition as “Vattel’s definition”. Challenge that tactic every time. Vattel didn’t make it up. His text on the law of nations compiled known existing law. Vattel was not a legislator.

It is proper to say, with regard to US Constitutional law, that this was the House definition as stated on the floor by Representative Bingham. And this definition was never opposed on the floor. And that is exactly where it should have been opposed if it were not the truth.

Debate upon issues of Constitutional law such as this belong on the House floor. And when an issue this important comes before the nation on the floor of “the people’s House”, and the issue is not challenged by any Representative of the people, then it’s certainly proper to infer that the House of Representatives, as a whole, agreed with that definition. After all, our nation is governed by debate on the floor of the House. But there never was debate on this issue because it was a proper statement of Constitutional law.

The definition of natural born citizen as stated on the House floor = born in the US to parents who are citizens. It’s not like those cats were incapable of correcting each other’s mistakes. Since no Supreme Court case ever stated a different definition of “natural born citizen”, and no Represenative ever challenged Bingham on this point, the House definition stands and officially remains unchallenged as of today. If the House wants to change this definition, let them bring the issue to the floor now and properly debate it.

Until then, call it the House of Representatives definition as offered by the father of the 14th Amendment who was never challenged upon it.

Don’t let history be rewritten by propagandists. The evidence is mounting on a daily basis that the current Commander In Chief is not eligible to hold the office of President. You have a voice. You have freedom of speech. You have access to your federal and state representatives.

The courts don’t want to hear from you.

So find someone who must to listen to you and be heard. The Constitution cannot survive unless you breath life into it. We are responsible to future generations. Do something with that responsibility. Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.

by Leo Donofrio, Esq. (hat tip to my main researcher who shall remain anonymous for now…)


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Reference
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; bingham; birther; certifigate; constitution; donofrio; eligibility; johnbingham; leodonofrio; naturalborncitizen
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1 posted on 03/09/2011 1:39:13 PM PST by patlin
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To: patlin

Title should read HOR not HOS for House of Representatives. Had to shorten title per freeper rules


2 posted on 03/09/2011 1:41:24 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin

So Chester Arthur was not eligible for the Presidency. Oh well, water under the bridge I guess.


3 posted on 03/09/2011 1:47:32 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: patlin

By the way, the POTUS also claims to be Christian. Did he receive ashes today and if he truly is a Christian, I would like to know the date and place of his baptism and date and place of his 1st communion and/or confirmation. Seems to me that in addition to being ineligible to serve, he is also not of the Christian faith which he professes to be. Will the real Barack Obama please stand up???


4 posted on 03/09/2011 1:49:30 PM PST by ponz7
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To: ponz7

I’m not able to partake in the ashes today either due health reasons, does that make me less of a Christian also?

Ash Wednesday discussion can be found here: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/religion-forum/index


5 posted on 03/09/2011 2:06:04 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: ponz7
"By the way, the POTUS also claims to be Christian. Did he receive ashes today and if he truly is a Christian"

Not all Christian denominations practice that. Mostly Catholic, Lutheran, some Methodists. I guess you'd have to know what denomination POTUS belongs to.

6 posted on 03/09/2011 2:06:34 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

If that is your attitude, why do you post here?


7 posted on 03/09/2011 2:07:22 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin

Donofrio gets it right, again.


8 posted on 03/09/2011 2:10:48 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan ("Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.")
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
So Chester Arthur was not eligible for the Presidency.

He went through considerable effort to perpetrate and conceal this fraud on the American people.

Fortunately no one else has ever attempted a treasonous crime of such proportions since.

9 posted on 03/09/2011 2:12:04 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 777 of our national holiday from reality. - tic. tic. tic. It's almost 3 AM)
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To: patlin

Because I believe that telling the truth is a conservative value. Chester Arthur’s Father was an Irish citizen when he was born. That’s a non-disputed fact.

This argument you have is a non-starter. It was defeated in the 1880s.

If you want to keep tilting at windmills, go right ahead, but I will point out your folly when you do so. If you don’t like it, ask Jim to remove me from his house.

That’s his right, not yours.


10 posted on 03/09/2011 2:12:28 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: bushpilot1; STARWISE; rxsid; Red Steel; edge919; Spaulding; Danae; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; ...

PING! New Donofrio Article


11 posted on 03/09/2011 2:12:43 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: ReverendJames

Obama Ash Wednesday message
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 9, 2011

Statement by the President on Ash Wednesday

Michelle and I join with millions of Christians here and across the world to mark Ash Wednesday. As we observe the season of Lent, we receive with thanksgiving this opportunity for grace and repentance, recommit ourselves to our faith, and remember our obligations to one another.


12 posted on 03/09/2011 2:13:26 PM PST by jamese777
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To: null and void

Arthur never denied that his father was Irish, he just denied the rumors that he was born in Canada.


13 posted on 03/09/2011 2:14:00 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Chester Arthur’s Father was an Irish citizen when he was born

And there is the big OBOT lie...Chester told everyone his father was a naturalized US citizen at the time of Chester's birth.

14 posted on 03/09/2011 2:16:59 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin

You think folks should freak out over something that happened in the 1880s?

Become indignant about it? Stomp their feet?


15 posted on 03/09/2011 2:19:20 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: jamese777
"Taqiyya"
The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies.

Falsehoods told to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart.

-- edited extract from Understanding Taqiyya ― Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah, Islam Watch

16 posted on 03/09/2011 2:20:24 PM PST by bvw
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To: bushpilot1; STARWISE; rxsid; Red Steel; edge919; Spaulding; Danae; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; ...
Donofrio hit a chord and the trolls are out "A Blaze". Come watch them squirm, just don't forget your popcorn cuz this is gonna be a good one.
17 posted on 03/09/2011 2:24:34 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: patlin

His Father was naturalized in the 1880’s, but he wasn’t when Arthur was born.

That was known even in that day. But Arthur being born on American soil was good enough to be a Natural Born Citizen even back then.

Sorry, this argument was lost then, it will be lost now, and it is a complete waste of time. If the founders had wanted it defined the way Vattel translated Wolfe, then they clearly had the means, opportunity, and intelligence to do so.

But they left it in the parlance of English Common Law, not in the language of Vattel.

That’s the reality you have to deal with.


18 posted on 03/09/2011 2:26:02 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

The issue of Arthur’s father being foreign born was obscured by the Canada issue the same way that Obama’s father citizenship is also being obscured by the ‘born in Hawaii’ issue.

It was not known that Chester Arthur was born to a foreign parent at the time.

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/09/09/us-government-ruling-from-1885-by-secretary-of-state-thomas-bayard-proves-chester-arthurs-british-birth-was-kept-from-public/


19 posted on 03/09/2011 2:27:46 PM PST by TheBigIf
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To: patlin

Okok, let me go get the Johnny’s Popcorn Salt.


20 posted on 03/09/2011 2:28:57 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: humblegunner

Unlike you trolls, we true American patriots prefer to live in a country of laws that were written with the blood of our forefathers


21 posted on 03/09/2011 2:29:52 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: null and void

You just missed the /sarc tag right?

Becaue Obama pulled old Chet’s trick out of the same playbook.


22 posted on 03/09/2011 2:32:44 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
No, he never denied his father was Irish. He just lied his butt off about the where, when, and how his father naturalized.

Arthur lied about his mother’s time in Canada.  He lied about his father’s time in Canada.  He lied about his father’s age plus where and when he got off the boat from Ireland.  By obscuring his parents’ personal history he curtailed the possibility that anybody might discover he was born many years before his father had naturalized.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/
23 posted on 03/09/2011 2:33:59 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan ("Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.")
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To: humblegunner

“You think folks should freak out over something that happened in the 1880s?

Become indignant about it? Stomp their feet?”

Considering it has been repeated in 2008, HELL YES!


24 posted on 03/09/2011 2:34:28 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: patlin
prefer to live in a country of laws

So you reckon the "law" should go after some dude who has been dead a hundred years?

Yeah, that's a hell of a plan. Let me know how that works out for you.

Very constructive. I'll bet it helps us all out a lot.

25 posted on 03/09/2011 2:34:44 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: patlin
Unlike you trolls, we true American patriots prefer to live in a country of laws that were written with the blood of our forefathers

This is how you debate, by calling yourself a "patriot" and those who don't agree "trolls"?

Yep, you've got my attention now! I'll surely consider anything you say as important!

LOL

26 posted on 03/09/2011 2:37:24 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: patlin

The evidence is beyond argument and is like a growing mountain.


27 posted on 03/09/2011 2:37:40 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: jamese777

Still he’s not saying what particular denomination. If he was a member of White’s church isn’t that an independent church, not affiliated with any denomination? Just wondering.


28 posted on 03/09/2011 2:38:36 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
His Father was naturalized in the 1880’s

More troll/obot spin because they just can not accept the facts that have been out there for over 2 years now:

Chester Arthur was a British citizen/subject by virtue of his father not having naturalized as a United States citizen until Chester Arthur was almost 14 years old:

HISTORICAL BREAKTHROUGH – PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT AT BIRTH
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/

Excerpts:

From “Gentleman Boss”, page 202 and 203:

“…Hinman was hired, apparently by democrats, to explore rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency. By mid-August, Hinman was claiming that Arthur was born in Ireland and had been brought to the United States by his father when he was fourteen. Arthur denied the charge and said that his mother was a New Englander who had never left her native country — a statement every member of the Arthur family knew was untrue.”

William Arthur didn’t come to the United States until sometime between March 1822 – when his first child was born in Dunham, Canada – and March 1824 – when his second child was born in Burlington, Vermont. The youngest he could have been when he came to Vermont was 26.

On August 16, 1880 Chester Arthur told the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper that at the time of his birth, his father was forty years old. Another blatant lie. His father would have been only thirty-three years old when Chester was born.

In that same article he lied that his father settled in Vermont and reiterated the lie that William came here at the age of eighteen. This age discrepancy was exposed in the August 19, 1880 edition of the Brooklyn Eagle in an article written by Hinman .

It was very convenient for Arthur that Hinman kept the focus on the extraordinary and false claim – that Arthur was born abroad – while the more subtle and true eligibility issue stayed hidden in plain site.

William Arthur naturalization PDF http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=176

29 posted on 03/09/2011 2:39:53 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: jamese777

Ps, IOW, I don’t think that just because he didn’t go to a church to receive ashes doesn’t mean he’s not a Christian as he says he is, is all I’m saying.


30 posted on 03/09/2011 2:40:38 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

In the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper, an article interviewing
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/

Chester Arthur about Hinman’s accusations was published on August 13, 1880. In that article, Chester Arthur defended himself as follows:

“My father, the late Rev. William Arthur, D.D., was of Scotch blood, and was a native of the North of Ireland. He came to this country when he was eighteen years of age, and resided here several years before he was married.”


31 posted on 03/09/2011 2:42:00 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: humblegunner
So you reckon the "law" should go after some dude who has been dead a hundred years?

sSo you reckon that since some dude got away with fruad over a hundred years ago, that made the law obsolete & we should now just turn a blind eye to it?

32 posted on 03/09/2011 2:46:14 PM PST by patlin (Ignorance is Bliss for those who choose to wear rose colored glasses)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
His Father was naturalized in the 1880’s, but he wasn’t when Arthur was born. That was known even in that day.

William Arthur was naturalized on August 31, 1843. He died in 1875. Because Chester lied about practically everything surrounding his father's emmigration to the U.S. and William was already dead when Chester's NBC status was questioned, the public did not know when William naturalized. Modern biographers on Chester have not uncovered a single 1880's news item referencing the fact that William naturalized some 14 years after Chester's birth.

33 posted on 03/09/2011 2:48:16 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan ("Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.")
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To: humblegunner
Unlike you trolls, we true American patriots prefer to live in a country of laws that were written with the blood of our forefathers.

Yeah! So nanny-nanny boo-boo.

34 posted on 03/09/2011 2:52:14 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan ("Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.")
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; Danae

May be worth your while to familiarize yourself with the facts

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/urgent-historical-breakthrough-proof-chester-arthur-concealed-he-was-a-british-subject-at-birth/


35 posted on 03/09/2011 2:52:30 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
So Chester Arthur was not eligible for the Presidency

That is correct. Chester Arthur was born Oct 5, 1829. The father of Chester Alan Arthur was born in Ireland and didn't naturalize as a US Citizen until 1843.

36 posted on 03/09/2011 2:53:14 PM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; patlin
"But they left it in the parlance of English Common Law, not in the language of Vattel."

So what your saying, then, is that:

1. Arnold Schwarzenegger is POTUS eligible?

and

2. John Bingham, and the rest of his colleagues were wrong?

37 posted on 03/09/2011 2:54:05 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: patlin
So you reckon that since some dude got away with fruad over a hundred years
ago, that made the law obsolete & we should now just turn a blind eye to it?

Let's suppose your county sheriff is plowing up the town's tomato patch.

Birthers will piss and moan about how he's not qualified to
operate that tractor or that it's a stolen tractor and he shouldn't be on it.

Meanwhile, he continues plowing up the tomato patch.

Normal people will work on voting the sucker OUT.
This year's tomato patch is hosed, he's already plowed it up.

Crying about his tractor operator qualifications is moot.

38 posted on 03/09/2011 2:58:28 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
So nanny-nanny boo-boo.


39 posted on 03/09/2011 3:01:42 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: patlin

Unfortunately, it all only matters to those of us who respect the Constitution and laws of this great country. There is a rapidly growing segment of society who could care less. We must never accede to them.

Now, what about in vitro fertilization, homosexual “parents” of children, etc.


40 posted on 03/09/2011 3:03:50 PM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: patlin; Admin Moderator

Ping the AM they might fix it for you.


41 posted on 03/09/2011 3:08:01 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: patlin; humblegunner

HG wow now you are at troll? My things are changing fast! NOT!


42 posted on 03/09/2011 3:09:48 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: ReverendJames

Do you think that Obama often lies as a matter of political tactics?


43 posted on 03/09/2011 3:10:07 PM PST by bvw
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To: patlin

Had to shorten title per freeper rules


Curious and for information........ What are freeper rules on titles?


44 posted on 03/09/2011 3:14:05 PM PST by deport
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To: patlin

Racism. /sarc


45 posted on 03/09/2011 3:15:27 PM PST by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (The truth can indeed be a finger-down-the-throat for those unprepared to hear it.)
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To: jamese777
Michelle and I join with millions of Christians here and across the world to mark Ash Wednesday. As we observe the season of Lent, we receive with thanksgiving this opportunity for grace and repentance, recommit ourselves to our faith, and remember our obligations to one another.

Just like his recitation of the Declaration, he manages to leave out any reference to God in general, and Jesus in particular.

I wonder if he'll be serving halal snacks at the game party tonight?

46 posted on 03/09/2011 3:17:52 PM PST by Dr. Sheldon Cooper (The truth can indeed be a finger-down-the-throat for those unprepared to hear it.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
HG wow now you are at troll?

The hatred, it wounds me.

When some lunatic n00b calls me a name, I sometimes cut myself.


47 posted on 03/09/2011 3:21:18 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: SgtHooper
Now, what about in vitro fertilization, homosexual “parents” of children, etc.

That's all addressed in the Foreign Affairs Manual published by the U.S. State Dept. There must be an established blood relationship between a child and parent in order for a child to claim U.S. citizenship.

48 posted on 03/09/2011 3:23:59 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan ("Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.")
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To: null and void

“Fortunately no one else has ever attempted a treasonous crime of such proportions since.”

Until NOW.


49 posted on 03/09/2011 3:27:54 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!!)
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To: humblegunner

Can’t remember who but someone made a good analogy on another thread about a house on fire where rather than phone the fire department, birthers are too busy arguing about how the matches got into the house in the first place.


50 posted on 03/09/2011 3:29:47 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan ("Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.")
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