Skip to comments.House of Reps Definition of “Natural Born Citizen” = Born of citizen “parents” in the US.
Posted on 03/09/2011 1:39:10 PM PST by patlin
During a debate (see pg. 2791) regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen. Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:
As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth. (The term to-day, as used by Bingham, means to date. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872.)
Notice that Bingham declares Houard to be a natural-born citizen by citing two factors born of citizen parents in the US.
John Bingham, aka father of the 14th Amendment, was an abolitionist congressman from Ohio who prosecuted Lincolns assassins. Ten years earlier, he stated on the House floor:
All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians. (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))
Then in 1866, Bingham also stated on the House floor:
Every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
No other Representative ever took issue with these words on the floor of the House. If you read the Congressional Globe to study these debates, you will see that many of the underlying issues were hotly contested. However, Binghams definition of natural born citizen (born of citizen parents in the US) was never challenged on the floor of the House.
Furthermore, the Supreme Courts holding in Wong Kim Ark did not address Presidential eligibility, nor did it define natural born citizen. It simply clarified who was a citizen. Had the framers of the 14th Amendment sought to define nbc, they would have used the words natural born in the Amendment. But they didnt.
Do not allow the opposition to state this definition as Vattels definition. Challenge that tactic every time. Vattel didnt make it up. His text on the law of nations compiled known existing law. Vattel was not a legislator.
It is proper to say, with regard to US Constitutional law, that this was the House definition as stated on the floor by Representative Bingham. And this definition was never opposed on the floor. And that is exactly where it should have been opposed if it were not the truth.
Debate upon issues of Constitutional law such as this belong on the House floor. And when an issue this important comes before the nation on the floor of the peoples House, and the issue is not challenged by any Representative of the people, then its certainly proper to infer that the House of Representatives, as a whole, agreed with that definition. After all, our nation is governed by debate on the floor of the House. But there never was debate on this issue because it was a proper statement of Constitutional law.
The definition of natural born citizen as stated on the House floor = born in the US to parents who are citizens. Its not like those cats were incapable of correcting each others mistakes. Since no Supreme Court case ever stated a different definition of natural born citizen, and no Represenative ever challenged Bingham on this point, the House definition stands and officially remains unchallenged as of today. If the House wants to change this definition, let them bring the issue to the floor now and properly debate it.
Until then, call it the House of Representatives definition as offered by the father of the 14th Amendment who was never challenged upon it.
Dont let history be rewritten by propagandists. The evidence is mounting on a daily basis that the current Commander In Chief is not eligible to hold the office of President. You have a voice. You have freedom of speech. You have access to your federal and state representatives.
The courts dont want to hear from you.
So find someone who must to listen to you and be heard. The Constitution cannot survive unless you breath life into it. We are responsible to future generations. Do something with that responsibility. Use the law. Obey the law. Respect the law. Fight for the law.
by Leo Donofrio, Esq. (hat tip to my main researcher who shall remain anonymous for now
Title should read HOR not HOS for House of Representatives. Had to shorten title per freeper rules
So Chester Arthur was not eligible for the Presidency. Oh well, water under the bridge I guess.
By the way, the POTUS also claims to be Christian. Did he receive ashes today and if he truly is a Christian, I would like to know the date and place of his baptism and date and place of his 1st communion and/or confirmation. Seems to me that in addition to being ineligible to serve, he is also not of the Christian faith which he professes to be. Will the real Barack Obama please stand up???
I’m not able to partake in the ashes today either due health reasons, does that make me less of a Christian also?
Ash Wednesday discussion can be found here: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/religion-forum/index
Not all Christian denominations practice that. Mostly Catholic, Lutheran, some Methodists. I guess you'd have to know what denomination POTUS belongs to.
If that is your attitude, why do you post here?
Donofrio gets it right, again.
He went through considerable effort to perpetrate and conceal this fraud on the American people.
Fortunately no one else has ever attempted a treasonous crime of such proportions since.
Because I believe that telling the truth is a conservative value. Chester Arthur’s Father was an Irish citizen when he was born. That’s a non-disputed fact.
This argument you have is a non-starter. It was defeated in the 1880s.
If you want to keep tilting at windmills, go right ahead, but I will point out your folly when you do so. If you don’t like it, ask Jim to remove me from his house.
That’s his right, not yours.
PING! New Donofrio Article
Obama Ash Wednesday message
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 9, 2011
Statement by the President on Ash Wednesday
Michelle and I join with millions of Christians here and across the world to mark Ash Wednesday. As we observe the season of Lent, we receive with thanksgiving this opportunity for grace and repentance, recommit ourselves to our faith, and remember our obligations to one another.
Arthur never denied that his father was Irish, he just denied the rumors that he was born in Canada.
And there is the big OBOT lie...Chester told everyone his father was a naturalized US citizen at the time of Chester's birth.
You think folks should freak out over something that happened in the 1880s?
Become indignant about it? Stomp their feet?
The word "Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing, precaution, guarding. It is employed in disguising one's beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies.
Falsehoods told to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned in the Qur'an and Sunna, including lying under oath in testimony before a court, deceiving by making distorted statements to the media. A Muslim is even permitted to deny or denounce his faith if, in so doing, he protects or furthers the interests of Islam, so long as he remains faithful to Islam in his heart.
-- edited extract from Understanding Taqiyya ― Islamic Principle of Lying for the Sake of Allah, Islam Watch
His Father was naturalized in the 1880’s, but he wasn’t when Arthur was born.
That was known even in that day. But Arthur being born on American soil was good enough to be a Natural Born Citizen even back then.
Sorry, this argument was lost then, it will be lost now, and it is a complete waste of time. If the founders had wanted it defined the way Vattel translated Wolfe, then they clearly had the means, opportunity, and intelligence to do so.
But they left it in the parlance of English Common Law, not in the language of Vattel.
That’s the reality you have to deal with.
The issue of Arthur’s father being foreign born was obscured by the Canada issue the same way that Obama’s father citizenship is also being obscured by the ‘born in Hawaii’ issue.
It was not known that Chester Arthur was born to a foreign parent at the time.
Okok, let me go get the Johnny’s Popcorn Salt.
Unlike you trolls, we true American patriots prefer to live in a country of laws that were written with the blood of our forefathers
You just missed the /sarc tag right?
Becaue Obama pulled old Chet’s trick out of the same playbook.
Arthur lied about his mothers time in Canada. He lied about his fathers time in Canada. He lied about his fathers age plus where and when he got off the boat from Ireland. By obscuring his parents personal history he curtailed the possibility that anybody might discover he was born many years before his father had naturalized.http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2008/12/
“You think folks should freak out over something that happened in the 1880s?
Become indignant about it? Stomp their feet?”
Considering it has been repeated in 2008, HELL YES!
So you reckon the "law" should go after some dude who has been dead a hundred years?
Yeah, that's a hell of a plan. Let me know how that works out for you.
Very constructive. I'll bet it helps us all out a lot.
This is how you debate, by calling yourself a "patriot" and those who don't agree "trolls"?
Yep, you've got my attention now! I'll surely consider anything you say as important!
The evidence is beyond argument and is like a growing mountain.
Still he’s not saying what particular denomination. If he was a member of White’s church isn’t that an independent church, not affiliated with any denomination? Just wondering.
More troll/obot spin because they just can not accept the facts that have been out there for over 2 years now:
Chester Arthur was a British citizen/subject by virtue of his father not having naturalized as a United States citizen until Chester Arthur was almost 14 years old:
HISTORICAL BREAKTHROUGH PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT AT BIRTH
From Gentleman Boss, page 202 and 203:
Hinman was hired, apparently by democrats, to explore rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency. By mid-August, Hinman was claiming that Arthur was born in Ireland and had been brought to the United States by his father when he was fourteen. Arthur denied the charge and said that his mother was a New Englander who had never left her native country a statement every member of the Arthur family knew was untrue.
William Arthur didnt come to the United States until sometime between March 1822 when his first child was born in Dunham, Canada and March 1824 when his second child was born in Burlington, Vermont. The youngest he could have been when he came to Vermont was 26.
On August 16, 1880 Chester Arthur told the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper that at the time of his birth, his father was forty years old. Another blatant lie. His father would have been only thirty-three years old when Chester was born.
In that same article he lied that his father settled in Vermont and reiterated the lie that William came here at the age of eighteen. This age discrepancy was exposed in the August 19, 1880 edition of the Brooklyn Eagle in an article written by Hinman .
It was very convenient for Arthur that Hinman kept the focus on the extraordinary and false claim that Arthur was born abroad while the more subtle and true eligibility issue stayed hidden in plain site.
William Arthur naturalization PDF http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=176
Ps, IOW, I don’t think that just because he didn’t go to a church to receive ashes doesn’t mean he’s not a Christian as he says he is, is all I’m saying.
In the Brooklyn Eagle newspaper, an article interviewing
Chester Arthur about Hinmans accusations was published on August 13, 1880. In that article, Chester Arthur defended himself as follows:
My father, the late Rev. William Arthur, D.D., was of Scotch blood, and was a native of the North of Ireland. He came to this country when he was eighteen years of age, and resided here several years before he was married.
sSo you reckon that since some dude got away with fruad over a hundred years ago, that made the law obsolete & we should now just turn a blind eye to it?
William Arthur was naturalized on August 31, 1843. He died in 1875. Because Chester lied about practically everything surrounding his father's emmigration to the U.S. and William was already dead when Chester's NBC status was questioned, the public did not know when William naturalized. Modern biographers on Chester have not uncovered a single 1880's news item referencing the fact that William naturalized some 14 years after Chester's birth.
Yeah! So nanny-nanny boo-boo.
May be worth your while to familiarize yourself with the facts
That is correct. Chester Arthur was born Oct 5, 1829. The father of Chester Alan Arthur was born in Ireland and didn't naturalize as a US Citizen until 1843.
So what your saying, then, is that:
1. Arnold Schwarzenegger is POTUS eligible?
2. John Bingham, and the rest of his colleagues were wrong?
Let's suppose your county sheriff is plowing up the town's tomato patch.
Birthers will piss and moan about how he's not qualified to
operate that tractor or that it's a stolen tractor and he shouldn't be on it.
Meanwhile, he continues plowing up the tomato patch.
Normal people will work on voting the sucker OUT.
This year's tomato patch is hosed, he's already plowed it up.
Crying about his tractor operator qualifications is moot.
Unfortunately, it all only matters to those of us who respect the Constitution and laws of this great country. There is a rapidly growing segment of society who could care less. We must never accede to them.
Now, what about in vitro fertilization, homosexual “parents” of children, etc.
Ping the AM they might fix it for you.
HG wow now you are at troll? My things are changing fast! NOT!
Do you think that Obama often lies as a matter of political tactics?
Had to shorten title per freeper rules
Curious and for information........ What are freeper rules on titles?
Just like his recitation of the Declaration, he manages to leave out any reference to God in general, and Jesus in particular.
I wonder if he'll be serving halal snacks at the game party tonight?
The hatred, it wounds me.
When some lunatic n00b calls me a name, I sometimes cut myself.
That's all addressed in the Foreign Affairs Manual published by the U.S. State Dept. There must be an established blood relationship between a child and parent in order for a child to claim U.S. citizenship.
“Fortunately no one else has ever attempted a treasonous crime of such proportions since.”
Can’t remember who but someone made a good analogy on another thread about a house on fire where rather than phone the fire department, birthers are too busy arguing about how the matches got into the house in the first place.
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