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Donald Trump misses the point about Obama’s birth certificate
Hillbuzz ^ | 3/28/2011 | Kevin DuJan

Posted on 03/28/2011 5:59:59 PM PDT by curth

Donald Trump has released a copy of his original birth certificate…which is something every single Republican should do…and not just ones running for president.

But Trump does not understand the real issue here: Obama is hiding something written on the “name” line of the certificate.

Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961…but he was adopted in Indonesia in the late-60s or early 70s.

At the time of his adoption, his name was legally changed to something like Soetorabakh Soetoro…because Indonesian naming convention is so unusual, there are many possibilities for how his adopted name could be spelled (like all the variants of Khadaffy).

Obama never petitioned to legally change his name back to Barack Hussein Obama upon his return to Hawaii.

When a child is adopted, a new birth certificate with the adopted name is issued…listing the adoptive parent as the father or mother.

So, Obama’s legal birth certificate not only shows Lolo Soetoro as his legal father…but records his legal name as Soetorobakh…NOT Barack Obama.

Because all of these names are so strange and Klingon-like to American ears, this has been a hard concept for many to grasp.

But Trump and others need to start asking what’s on the birth certificate that Obama is so desperate to hide.

Anyone out there with a way to contact Trump directly?

If he REALLY wants to stir the pot, then he needs to talk about the adoption and what name is really on Obama’s birth certificate.

THAT is what Obama has been hiding for 40 years now.


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Donald Trump misses the point about Obama’s birth certificate: it is not released because of what’s written on it on the “name” lines

1 posted on 03/28/2011 6:00:04 PM PDT by curth
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To: curth
But Trump and others need to start asking what’s on the birth certificate that Obama is so desperate to hide.

Trump has said this: "What's he hiding?"
2 posted on 03/28/2011 6:03:05 PM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: curth

“Donald Trump misses the point about Obama’s birth certificate: it is not released because of what’s written on it on the “name” lines. Anyone out there with a way to contact Trump directly?”

Huh? The main thrust of the articles by Trump has been that there is something on the BC that he doesn’t want us to see. Where has the author been?


3 posted on 03/28/2011 6:03:47 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: curth

Perhaps he was born with ambiguous genitalia.


4 posted on 03/28/2011 6:04:03 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom!!! <sarc>)
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To: curth

So, we are supposed to believe that he is hiding the BC because he has a weird last name?
Um, I don’t think so.


5 posted on 03/28/2011 6:05:39 PM PDT by vpintheak (Democrats: Robbing humans of their dignity 1 law at a time)
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To: musicman; RedMDer; SE Mom; curth

I don’t think Donald Trump has missed a thing.

In fact, I think Trump has the goods on obama.

Trump is a very rich man with many high placed contacts throughout the world.

Were Trump to cause obama to be impeached for not being Constitutionally eligible, Trump would almost be assured of election.


6 posted on 03/28/2011 6:05:48 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: curth

I do not care as long as it keeps the issue in the news.


7 posted on 03/28/2011 6:06:18 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: curth

He hasn’t missed the point - he’s asked questions, not made assertions. The name change is covered by his being nebulous or vague in the questions he’s asking, asking them generally.

I don’t get the different names from Indonesia either, but there’s less likelihood of multiple spellings than for Gaddafi, because the Indonesian language uses the same alphabet as we do, from when Indonesia was a Dutch colony.


8 posted on 03/28/2011 6:06:50 PM PDT by OldNewYork (social justice isn't justice; it's just socialism)
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To: curth

I don’t buy the articles reasoning that they change the name on the original Birth certificate when a kid is adopted.


9 posted on 03/28/2011 6:08:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: curth

I think Hillbuzz is right, but Trump does know what he’s doing. This could be quite entertaining.


10 posted on 03/28/2011 6:08:16 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Shakey Jake said, " The hippies will never survive!")
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To: jessduntno
Huh? The main thrust of the articles by Trump has been that there is something on the BC that he doesn’t want us to see. Where has the author been?

Maybe because The Donald has done a quick 90 degree turn on this and now is starting to express doubts about his eligibility

11 posted on 03/28/2011 6:08:26 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: curth
This makes sense. I've always tended to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe he was. But there is something that Obama and his handlers want to keep from the public. I'm certain, beyond any reasonable doubt that he's an academic fraud and that's why his records are sealed. He could never have come within shouting distance of Harvard Law School without serious affirmative action. The same can be said of his wife only even more so. I think this will come out eventually and it will be explosive.
12 posted on 03/28/2011 6:08:26 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: onyx

But the Soros/Fed/NWO goons would have a price on his head, like JFK.


13 posted on 03/28/2011 6:09:55 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: curth

If Obama was adopted in Indonesia and not in the U.S., then it’s not very likely that Hawaii issued a new birth certificate unless SAD legally requested one. SAD would have had to petition the courts in the U.S. to a) recognize the legality of an Indonesian adoption and b) obtain a court order to have the birth certificate re-issued.


14 posted on 03/28/2011 6:11:16 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: curth

Gee, i hate to explain to these people, but Trump has already said Obama must have something to hide on his birth certificate.


15 posted on 03/28/2011 6:12:01 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: CommieCutter

Here’s what touched all this off;

“There’s something on that birth certificate that he doesn’t like,” said Trump. He pointed to Elisabeth Hasselbeck and said, “Look, she’s smiling!”

To say he didn’t say it is just flat wrong.

The title is;

Donald Trump misses the point about Obama’s birth certificate

Wrong.


16 posted on 03/28/2011 6:12:28 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: freekitty

I am also really sick of all these people saying Obama was born in the US; but have nothing to show that he was. They need to produce the proof or stop saying it.


17 posted on 03/28/2011 6:14:02 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: onyx
Were Trump to cause obama to be impeached for not being Constitutionally eligible, Trump would almost be assured of election.

I'm not sure about that. But it's very interesting to think about. Trump has a ton of baggage and the press would descend on him in a way they wouldn't even remotely consider with Obama or even Hillary. Witness what they tried to do to Palin. That's not even 1/10th of the material that would be available to them with Trump.

I really cannot conceive of any way Trump could be elected, but hey VCU just made the Final 4 so even once in a while strange things happen.
18 posted on 03/28/2011 6:14:54 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: wac3rd

Ted Kennedy (D-HELL) is doing no snickering ... you just can’t snicker while you are wailing and gnashing your teeth while writhing in pain.


19 posted on 03/28/2011 6:14:54 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Money...can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them." - Rand)
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To: wac3rd

Presidents are much harder to get nowadays and the thought of assassination wouldn’t stop Trump.


20 posted on 03/28/2011 6:16:15 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Thebaddog
It is hard to swallow that they would allow him to be president and not even be born here at all. The other problem could be, like others have said, is his father's citizenship status.

I'm just glad someone is finally calling him on it. This should have been called out in the summer of 2008. Doesn't matter what this is; if it's just plain old fraud; not eligible;hiding who his real father is; a converted Muslim. It doesn't matter.

This is the same crap he did to get elected in past elections, so Karma can be a bitch sometimes.

21 posted on 03/28/2011 6:16:42 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: curth
"But Trump does not understand the real issue here: Obama is hiding something written on the “name” line of the certificate."

"Obama was indeed born in Hawaii in 1961…"

How does Kevin DuJan know what Trump understands? And how exactly does DuJan know Obama was indeed born in Hawaii?

Inquiring minds want to know...

22 posted on 03/28/2011 6:16:53 PM PDT by JABit
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To: curth

I think Trump like everyone else KNOWS that Obama is ineligible on parental grounds... but he also knows that bringing up Obama’s parents will not resonate with the American people like Obama’s lying about his birthplace will.

I’m with everyone else who says we need to focus on the obvious “parent trap”, but that focus should be made in the courts where the facts on that matter should and will resonate with judges.

I don’t think the average American Joe can define “natural born” accurately, and I think even fewer care.

This is also why I’m convinced that what Obama is hiding IS his birthplace... because he knows he could beat the parental requirements in the public’s eye at least.


23 posted on 03/28/2011 6:17:41 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: JABit

Ask him.


24 posted on 03/28/2011 6:18:59 PM PDT by curth (Organize4Palin.com - The Time Is Now!)
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To: al baby
"Perhaps he was born with ambiguous genitalia."

Not ambiguous... he was born a girl. The first American president with nothing down there but nasty carpet. LMAO!!!!!

8^D

25 posted on 03/28/2011 6:18:59 PM PDT by Gargantua (Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval")
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To: curth
Klingon

That fits him perfectly.

26 posted on 03/28/2011 6:20:00 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: curth
Come on...everybody knows that Stanley Dunham is Barack's real father and the mother is some hooker in Waikiki's red light district...


27 posted on 03/28/2011 6:20:44 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: truthguy
He could never have come within shouting distance of Harvard Law School without serious affirmative action. I think this will come out eventually and it will be explosive.

He is a huge positive for affirmative action. Give a black kid a chance and let him attend an elite school and a majority of American voters will elect him President. What could be a better argument for the success of affirmative action?

28 posted on 03/28/2011 6:20:48 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: nhwingut

Let’s quit beating around the bush and say it out loud: assuming that Obama was born in Hawaii, the only other thing that would be worth hiding on the original birth certificate was the name of his real father or mother, most likely the former.

That he was legally adopted by his mother’s second husband in Indonesia is a legally logical step. His step-father seemed to be an honorable man and a responsible one.

One school of thought feels that Frank Marshall Davis, the Communist Party activist, was his father (I don’t think so). Others think it was the Senior Barack Obama (quite possibly). I don’t know who else would be a possible third “father” - not Elijah Muhammed as some say.

Is there a mystery “third” person who could be Obama’s real father? So far no one appears on the radar.

And to further screw up the stew, there could be absolutely nothing wrong with the information on Obie’s birth certificate. He could just be playing everyone for fools, making them waste time and money on a wild goose chase, or in Obama’s case, going after a “red herring”.

Everything is on the table but the only one who may win in the end is Obama, unless you count the new laws passed by states making it mandatory that a presidential candidate show their original birth certificate.


29 posted on 03/28/2011 6:21:01 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: truthguy

Trump is already talking about huis baggage and stating that’s the reason rich businessmen do not run, but that he loves his country and knows how to save it from economic castrophe.

Imagine Trump taking down obama. Trump would be a larger than life hero for exposing the greatest fraud in American history. The news media would lose all its credibility for not investigating *the birther issue*.

I think Trump’s chances of winning the election would look pretty good at that point.


30 posted on 03/28/2011 6:21:05 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: onyx

Donald, Hit them with this little fact. This fool's father wasn't born in the USA. He is NOT eligable to be POTUS!

31 posted on 03/28/2011 6:23:08 PM PDT by RedMDer (restoration of our honor, dignity, and freedoms will save America. - Sarah Palin)
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To: curth
Over here: Trump fails to produce birth certificate

Things that make you go hmmmmm.



I still don't trust "The Don".)

32 posted on 03/28/2011 6:23:23 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: curth

Actually, Trump HAS asked what’s Obama hiding on his original birth certificate. Trump has said that he believes Obama was born in the U.S., but is trying to hide something embarrassing that’s on his birth certificate.


33 posted on 03/28/2011 6:24:54 PM PDT by jiminycricket000
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

When he went to Indo he became an Indo citizen because they did not recognize dual nationality. His problem lies there. When he came back how did he become American again?


34 posted on 03/28/2011 6:25:02 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: RedMDer

The Donald is getting a lot of ink on the subject. I love it.


35 posted on 03/28/2011 6:25:09 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: Safrguns

There is also the video of Zero’s maternal grandmother stating how proud she was when she witnessed his birth in Mombasa Kenya. Some have said she was talking about his father, but she didn’t “witness” her own son’s birth. Of course, they have shut her up now.


36 posted on 03/28/2011 6:26:52 PM PDT by TStro
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To: onyx

Trump is at least getting the conversation out in the open which then brings to light all the OTHER things Obama is “hiding” about his past.

IMHO, being a TRUE “Birther” is wanting ALL of his past that he’s hidden and doesn’t want revealed exposed.

It’s a LONG LIST.


37 posted on 03/28/2011 6:27:08 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: jessduntno

I don’t disagree.

But this issue is blowing up so fast there are reasons for certain logic at this point, even though certain individuals may not have all the facts.


38 posted on 03/28/2011 6:28:23 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: curth

No way No how did unwed hidden teen name her new baby Barack Hussein Obama II....

That’s just one of the things Obama is hiding. He was born Barry Dunham and has never had his name legally changed to Barack Obama. Which is why he created multiple forgeries and false swearings in as he was never legally Barack Hussein Obama. He never filed the legal paper work to change his name.


39 posted on 03/28/2011 6:28:23 PM PDT by train
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To: truthguy

I agree and “Great Post”!!!


40 posted on 03/28/2011 6:28:46 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: musicman

You’re right. It’s all about learning the facts about this fraud. Too much is hidden. His book is fiction, and also written by Bill Ayres.


41 posted on 03/28/2011 6:28:51 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: curth

Not a birther but I believe Zero is illegitimate and the secret he wants to keep is that there’s no father listed on the cert, as was customary back then.


42 posted on 03/28/2011 6:29:49 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: train
He never filed the legal paper work to change his name.

If that's all this ends up being: how really stupid on his part.

43 posted on 03/28/2011 6:30:40 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: onyx

I guess people are worried he’s not “Getting” the natural born part. I’m sure he’ll get up to speed on The One in no time.

It’s funny when you think about it- Trump is the only one who could get away with this!


44 posted on 03/28/2011 6:31:34 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TStro
she didn’t “witness” her own son’s birth.

Well, that's an intriguing new wrinkle.

Who really did give birth to Grandma's son?

45 posted on 03/28/2011 6:32:00 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: TStro

Is that video still available? I’m sure the Boobtube has taking it down.


46 posted on 03/28/2011 6:32:18 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: curth

We can’t know until we see the real deal. How does anyone know for a fact that Barry was born in Hawaii? Maybe this is all about a name, or maybe it’s about Barry being born in Kenya. Barry is the only one who solve this, and he isn’t going to do it.


47 posted on 03/28/2011 6:34:36 PM PDT by pallis
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To: curth

No he’s not. He is simply approaching the issue from a direction that won’t stake him out on any one point while raising doubts in the minds of Americans.

Well played!


48 posted on 03/28/2011 6:40:40 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: CommieCutter
It is hard to swallow that they would allow him to be president and not even be born here at all.

It's easier to believe if you consider that he wasn't supposed to win the nomination -- Hillary was. Clinton's strategy was to win the Super Primary, but she took her eye off of the caucus states, and Obama won there. So, when the final fight came down to the super-delegate model in the Democrat party, the race card was played to ensure that the Democrat-party insiders lined up for Obama, otherwise the African-American Democrats would begin the "there they go again" after Maynard Jackson was turned down for DNC Chair for Terry McAuliffe (Bill Clinton's "Valerie Jarrett). So, this had a special irony for blacks in the DNC to finally get even with the Clintons by throwing their super-delegate votes to Obama, handing him the nomination.

-PJ

49 posted on 03/28/2011 6:40:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
"And to further screw up the stew, there could be absolutely nothing wrong with the information on Obie’s birth certificate. He could just be playing everyone for fools, making them waste time and money on a wild goose chase, or in Obama’s case, going after a “red herring"

I understand that Obama is personally paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to help keep his birth certificate hidden. That's an awfully lot of money to spend just to make a few people look foolish somewhere down the road, while he suffers from the accusations in the here and now, which is all that counts in politics. It's hard for me to imagine that his future "October Surprise" will be the producing of his birth certificate, a document that could still be impugned as to its authenticity anyway. I have no doubt he's spending that kind of money to protect himself from something, and not as some sort of investment in the future to embarrass political enemies. Just don't make sense to me.

50 posted on 03/28/2011 6:40:53 PM PDT by jiminycricket000
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