Posted on 04/28/2011 8:40:53 PM PDT by Fractal Trader
From intelligence agencies around the world, the verdict on President Obama’s newly-released certificate of live birth from Hawaii is in: the certificate is a rank forgery on the same level as the Niger “yellow cake” uranium and Iraq Oil Ministry forged documents. Intelligence and law enforcement services are experts on fake documents since they have to deal with large numbers of counterfeit documents, such as birth certificates, passports, identity cards and driver’s licenses, as well as currency. Intelligence agencies are also experts at forging their own documents for their clandestine agents.
Within 24-hours of the release of the long form Certificate of Live Birth on April 27, intelligence agencies from Britain and China to Germany and Russia examined the document and concluded it was a forgery based on the fact that Barack H. Obama Sr.’s race, listed as “African,” was a monumental error, considering that not only the United States, but other English-speaking nations described Africans and those of African descent as either “Negroes” or “blacks” in 1961.
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ping!
Txe COLB didn’t pass txe test.
"... Madsen says intelligence agencies around the world have scrutinized the birth certificate and decided it’s fake because of one word on the document. The word “African” was used to designate the race..."In other words, all one has to do to disprove his theory is to find ONE other Hawaiian BC/COLB from that year that lists a parent's race as "African", and his whole theory goes down the toilet. Shouldn't be too hard.
OTOH, proving his theory is impossible, because you'd have to examine EVERY SINGLE BC/COLB and show that the ones involving blacks ALL used the terms "Black" or "Negro". Best of luck with that.
I don’t really want to join, so I don’t know what evidence he gives that world intelligence agencies have actually said this.
But his earlier work was sound. And there are other problems as well.
I will make one point, however, that needs to be considered. This is not a BC but a COLB. We don’t know how much the Hawaiian clerks may have meddled with it. Is it supposedly a copy of the original long form, or since it is a COLB, did they update it?
I ask, because “African” is one problem, and the name of the hospital is another. I didn’t have that name back then, but only after a merger took place, years later.
Also, Kenya was NOT the name of the country back then. It was British East Africa, a British Colony.
So, that’s three things at least that use later language rather than the language of the time. Is that because the Hawaii department fiddled with it? Or did they just invent it at some point?
This writer lists zero sources and rests his claim that Obama Sr.s race is listed on the cert. as African, not black or negro.
Big deal.
In addition, author claims Obama is gay, had his gay lover killed, and now the author himself is on WH Death list.... and has sources in intelliegnce agencies around the world.
Please, time to be back on the Thorazine.
Both of those have been posited and clearly shown false, on FreeRepublic, on similar threads, multiple times in the past days. In brief, other non-Obama certs of the same time show that hospital name, and "Kenya" had been used to describe that country for decades.
Although I still don't believe that Obama is telling the truth about this, or anything else for that matter, this issue is utterly undercut.
Within 24-hours of the release of the long form Certificate of Live Birth on April 27, intelligence agencies from Britain and China to Germany and Russia examined the document and concluded............ it was a forgery based on the fact that Barack H. Obama Sr.’s race, listed as “African,” was a monumental error,................. considering that not only the United States, but other English-speaking nations described Africans and those of African descent as either “Negroes” or “blacks” in 1961.
Interesting.....I caught that also when I read it...hummmm.
I still want a more detailed report than just a missed spoken word.
Hey, the First Amendment applies to lunatics too, doesn't it? :)
“Kenya was NOT the name of the country back then. It was British East Africa, a British Colony.”
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This seems hugh and series.
Freepisms aside. Actually it does.
Is the simple mention of Kenya, proof it’s a forgery?
Also, his bio is BS, and he usually writes for very left-wing “Progressive” and the “Village Voice”
Big time fruitcake.
It was kind of them all to move so quickly and to immediately report their findings to him with no diplomatic concerns or long lasting arguments with the other portions of their governments and executive leaders before releasing their conclusions to him.
This must be one powerful man.
The TXE did it for me.
Would Hawaii really let one of their stamps be misspelled like that???
“In addition, author claims Obama is gay, had his gay lover killed, and now the author himself is on WH Death list.... and has sources in intelliegnce agencies around the world.”
Sounds like he may also have sources that report to him each morning from the depths of his cereal bowl.
They are known to him as Agents Snap Crackle and Pop
His claim is a little ridiculous.
I do take Madsen’s info and go verify it myself. Sometimes that is difficult because what you find easily on the net is actually quoting him.
He needs to get to work on Slippery Daddy O’s immigration files that have just been released.
Funny how that just happened.
3 very good points.
I’m still with the chain of evidence that too many people are at risk of jail to pull this off.
Not a single source is cited for all those "agencies" that the author references.
Whether ttue or not, the article is TRASH.
How long you been 'round these parts anyway?
Curioser and curioser. If the determination that this is a fake holds up, it will be fake #2 on the BC issue.
Again, though, the salient issue isn’t the BC, it’s the issue of citizenship and eligibility. According to the Constitution, a “natural born” citizen (a requirement to be eligible to be POTUS) is one who was born in America of American citizens. Obama’s BC confirms that his father was not American, he was African (according to the BC, and Kenyan according to Obama and a whole bunch of folks), so he is unqualified on those grounds.
But, let’s confuse the issue more with Obama’s adoption by Barry Soetero. That made him Indonesian. Strike two!
Finally, there are his numerous SSNs, and the issue of what passport he traveled on during his visits to foreign countries as a teen and young man. Strikes three and four!!
He doesn’t meet the eligibility requirements set forth by Article II section 1 “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”
But, let’s delve further into the contentious statement “natural born citizen”.
Natural-Born Citizen Defined
One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law. If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen. This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.
Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth. This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.”
The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are not claimed, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law. In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.”
Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
Bingham had asserted the same thing in 1862 as well:
“Does the gentleman mean that any person, born within the limits of the Republic, and who has offended against no law, can rightfully be exiled from any State or from any rood of the Republic? Does the gentleman undertake to say that here, in the face of the provision in the Constitution, that persons born within the limits of the Republic, of parents who are not the subjects of any other sovereignty, are native-born citizens, whether they be black or white? There is not a textbook referred to in any court which does not recognise the principle that I assert”. (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 407 (1862))
Bingham subscribed to the same view as most everyone in Congress at the time that in order to be born a citizen of the United States one must be born within the allegiance of the Nation. Bingham had explained years earlier that to be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance” doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance to anyone else was the effect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
It should be noted this allegiance due under England’s common law and American law are of two different species. Under the common law one owed a personal allegiance to the King as an individual upon birth. Under the American system there was no individual ruler to owe a personal allegiance to.
The constitutional requirement for the President of the United States to be a natural-born citizen had one purpose according to St. George Tucker:
That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted,) is a happy means of security against foreign influence, which, wherever it is capable of being exerted, is to he dreaded more than the plague. The admission of foreigners into our councils, consequently, cannot be too much guarded against; their total exclusion from a station to which foreign nations have been accustomed to, attach ideas of sovereign power, sacredness of character, and hereditary right, is a measure of the most consummate policy and wisdom. …The title of king, prince, emperor, or czar, without the smallest addition to his powers, would have rendered him a member of the fraternity of crowned heads: their common cause has more than once threatened the desolation of Europe. To have added a member to this sacred family in America, would have invited and perpetuated among us all the evils of Pandora’s Box. Charles Pinckney in 1800 said the presidential eligibility clause was designed “to insure … attachment to the country.”
So, to review, according to many political theorists, the phrase “natural born citizen” used in the 14th Amendment means that to be elegible to be POTUS, Obama had “to be born within the allegiance of the United States the parents, or more precisely, the father, must not owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty (remember the U.S. abandoned England’s “natural allegiance” doctrine). This of course, explains why emphasis of not owing allegiance to anyone else was the effect of being subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.” Since Obama’s father was NOT American and, therefore, “owe allegiance to some other foreign sovereignty”, specifically, Kenya, he does not meet the qualifications to be President.
We cab debate the BC issue until time ends, but the real issue resides in the definition of “natural born citizen”. That definition doesn’t include Obama.
Wayne Madsen is an absolute crackpot who used to write a bunch of leftist conspiracy theories till even they tired of him. I do believe Madsen had worked up a giant conspiracy that claimed Bush stole the 2004 election by paying secret operatives to alter the voting machines all over the country.
Are the die hard birthers really resorting to linking to Wayne Madsen? Seriously?
I informed our local morning talkshow about this very fact this morning and even gave a “shout out” to free Republic.Everyone knows this thing is fake.
Re: Kenya was not the name of the country
Sorry, but actually it was, but not independent till 1963
The Colony and Protectorate of Kenya was part of the British Empire in Africa. It was established when the former East Africa Protectorate was transformed into a British crown colony in 1920. Technically, the “Colony of Kenya” referred to the interior lands, while a ten-mile coastal strip (ostensibly on lease from the Sultan of Zanzibar) was the “Protectorate of Kenya” but the two were controlled as a single administrative unit. Mombasa, the largest city in 1921, had a population of 32,000 at that time.
Indians in Kenya objected to the reservation of the Highlands for Europeans and bitterness grew between the Indians and the Europeans. The population in 1921 was estimated at 2,376,000, of whom 9651 were Europeans, 22,822 Indians, and 10,102 Arabs.
The COLONY CAME TO AN END IN 1963 when independence was agreed with the British. After independence the former colony became known as Kenya.
You absolutely do not know that it doesn’t include Obama.
All one has to do is ACTUALLY listen to SCOTUS discuss this issue to realize it is not settled law.
To all the complainers:
I posted this as conspiracy and weird stuff — food for thought, not necessarily totally correct
Madsen has had some claims which are quite right, and some that aren’t. It is up to the astute Freeper to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Not so fast.
“In other words, all one has to do to disprove his theory is to find ONE other Hawaiian BC/COLB from that year that lists a parent’s race as “African”, and his whole theory goes down the toilet. Shouldn’t be too hard.”
Finding other instances of “African” as a prescribed race-category at a time when prescribed race-categories did not include “African” would prove only that certain Hawaiian typists were incompetent. Hell, the Boers are as much “African” as Obama, Sr.
We can play only by the rules of the time, and those rules excluded “African” as an acceptable race-category.
The hospital’s name, however, is exactly the same on the Nordyke twins’ birth certifcates. Who knows why—
Are we discussing the author or what he says? What appears in this article is defensible on the merits.
Wayne Madsen: Foreign Intelligence Agencies Say 0bama Birth Certificate Is Fake
. . . . SP alert.
Article, then interesting discussion at # 5 and # 8.
Thanks, Fractal Trader. What happened to the other thread? It disappeared before I could read it.
Thanks also to bergmeid.
See update at # 23.
He didn’t provide any evidence of the intelligence agencies confirming this, but it is a fact that “negro” was more likely used in 1961.
Whether Hawaii used the term or not.....?
VITAL STATISTICS OF THE UNITED STATES, 1961
VOLUME I- NATALITY
“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”
http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf
Obama failed to hoodwink the average American with publishing his fake BC. Imagine what the average foreign intelligence officer thinks of this hoax.
If 0 really wants to continue hiding his origins he’ll be subject to foreign blackmail. Perhaps he already is.
It’s so disappointing and embarrassing to see members of Congress completely ignore this controversy. It’s difficult to get interested in any of the GOP presidential candidates when they themselves are not interested in the BC debate.
It says on the bottom of it that it is an abstract. Therefore, not a copy of any original or long form birth certificate. It’s just a glorified COLB and since the fool forger of the other one used “African” the current forgers had to stick with it.
Is the simple mention of Kenya, proof it’s a forgery?
Not according to this, one of the first few entries that popped up when I googled "Kenya Protectorate":
In 1920 the protectorate was united with the protectorate of Zanzibar, renamed Kenya, and made a crown colony, the coastal strip being known as the Kenya Protectorate.
Hey, many of us have already come to the same conclusion!
“What we have here is a hopeful loony, I’m afraid.
“... Madsen says intelligence agencies around the world have scrutinized the birth certificate and decided it’s fake because of one word on the document. The word “African” was used to designate the race...”
How about this one, is that loony too???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk&feature=player_embedded
Linkies to the “intelligence agencies’” statements, pleeeze!
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| This PDF Certificate of Live Birth released is not an image of the original. It may not even be a true copy, it was put together as an abstract from the original document. Notice that at the bottom it says its a certified copy or an abstract. Mr. Obama is a theoretical American. An OCR document presented with fancy Photoshop borders is already digitally altered. If you have already altered one thing, you can easily alter something else with the click of a mouse on Photoshop. A document with 1961 writing and a 21st Century safety paper background is obviously not the original. To determine authenticity you need a real, actual document. So did the president act stupidly by releasing a PDF abstract document? Maybe not. If the State of Hawaii put an official seal on it then that ends the discussion of the authenticity as far as any court is concerned. Every state and court must give full faith and credit to the public acts, records and judicial proceedings of every State. And federal courts are also required to give full faith and credit to the public records of every state. Hawaii says they have certified this copy. So legally, that ends the issue. It's entitled to full faith and credit. At least maybe now the piss-stream media will stop insisting that the COLB is the birth certificate. And another distraction to keep from reporting on Obama's incompetence is also removed. /sarc But if Obama became an Indonesian citizen (Barry Soetoro) when he was growing up there, when did he apply to become an American again? On April 27, 2011 at a news conference Obama denounced the ''silliness,'' the ''sideshows and carnival barkers'' that forced him to release the document after years of speculation. ''We do not have time for this kind of silliness. We've got better stuff to do. I've got better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve.'' the president said before flying off to Chicago. The press conference was held a few minutes after 9:45 a.m. At 10:05 a.m. he was in the air, according to a White House pool report, which noted ''Oprah awaits.'' The only carnival-barker sideshow that's been going on for 3 years has been the Obama Snake Oil Show. |
Countdown until Obama leaves Office: 632 days as of April 28, 2011.
The moment I saw “Race: African”....I said to myself the same thing everyone else did: “They’re not even trying to hide this anymore. They’ve given up.”
2012 can’t get here fast enough....it just can’t.
Check your FR mail.
The registrar can not just pick the term he wants to use. He will be limited to Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid or Mixed race. The key to the question is in 1961 was the term for Negroid one of the following, Black, Negroid, Negro or African.
I do know for a fact that to use the term African or Black would have been an insult in those days. The polite term would have been Negro or Colored. Oddly political correctness has now made the formerly polite terms an insult and the formerly insulting terms correct.
Why in the hell would Hawaii use a term for a black man that is insulting in 1961.
This does not pass the smell test.
And "African" was not used for birth certificates for US Vital Statistic regulations reporting in 1961. See yellow highlight.
Cheers!
You make a good point. There was no Kenya until December 1963 and the place didn’t officially become the Republic of Kenya until a year later. My only question would be, what would be the motive for releasing such a blundering, obvious forgery?
I read somewhere that in the Kremlin, our country used to be referred to as the Main Adversary
, but nowadays, the common appellation is New Africa
. LOL! Those Rooskies are such racists!
When and if the law ever decides to settle, look to what John Roberts did twice on 20 January 2009 for a hint as to the outcome. Stare decisis!
Of course it is .... take Ron Paul & Dennis Kucinich, for example
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU NEVER, I REPEAT NEVER DISCUSS AGENTS S, C AND P HERE ON A PUBLIC FORUM!!!!!
YOU PUT THEIR LIVES IN DANGER EVERYTIME YOU DO!!!!!!!
All named after eons old Mount Kenya.
Two names are not unusual. The 13th state's official name is “The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations.”
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