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Judgment Day May 21 [Why the Bible Never speaks of the End of the Physical Universe]
Prophecy Questions blog ^ | May 18, 2011 | Prophecy Questioner

Posted on 05/18/2011 2:52:51 PM PDT by grumpa

Here we go again—Judgment Day. This time Harold Camping called it for this weekend, May 21. His billboard ads read: “The Bible Guarantees It!” We even heard this mentioned this week on CNBC, of all places. Confused Christians have been calling for the end of the world for a very long time, embarrassing themselves and the rest of Christianity.

Did you know that the Bible does not even mention the end of the physical universe? I’m sure this will come to a shock to Christians who do not know their Bible. So let’s take a look.

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1 posted on 05/18/2011 2:52:57 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa
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2 posted on 05/18/2011 2:55:46 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: grumpa

Only human beings can screw up the Word of God. The Bible is clear on all subjects in it; including the end of time, homosexuality, slavery, on and on.

Only those with their own agendas, such as this cult, make a mess of it.


3 posted on 05/18/2011 2:56:07 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: grumpa

People that use the Bible for prophecy....are probably pro-doomsday, under any mindset.


4 posted on 05/18/2011 2:56:37 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: grumpa

5 posted on 05/18/2011 2:56:58 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: grumpa
Well unless I die then I don't think that is going to be the end of MY world.

Get ready for some cat fight here, though. This author says the KJV gave a misleading (well ok, just plain wrong) rendering of an occurrence of Greek aion as world when a better term, as appears in most modern bibles, would be age. Sacre bleu! is this possible? I say yes, others would vehemently disagree. Duck'n & run'n....

6 posted on 05/18/2011 3:00:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: grumpa
the Bible does not even mention the end of the physical universe?

"the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up"

7 posted on 05/18/2011 3:01:18 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

“the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up”

Not recycled? No wonder the left hates God so much!


8 posted on 05/18/2011 3:04:35 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: grumpa

I think that at the time of the bible, dates were pretty arbitrary. If you were planting something, you did it x days after the last snow fall. Even in the middle ages dates were reckoned along the lines of “14 seasons after the death of King John.” Today’s preoccupation with dates and times would be incomprehensible to most biblical cultures. Yes, people who collected rents were calendar aware, but the priests kept the calendars and those politicians, whose time in office depended on the calendar, were known to bribe priests to extend their time in office.

The cosmic significance of, say, the 21st of May is non-existent. Time and dates are arbitrary. Look at how many times the calendar was changed for one reason or another. If God were going to do some serious smoting, why would he do it on a particular date? One would think that God would simply see the need and smote!


9 posted on 05/18/2011 3:08:38 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Meet the New Boss

the Bible does not even mention the end of the physical universe? "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up"
2 Peter 3:10 does not depict the end of the physical universe. That's a depiction of the Great White Throne judgment.

Forgot about Isaiah 45:18, "he created it not in vain; he formed it to be inhabited"? Following on that, what about David's prophecy about God putting "all things under (the) feet" of mankind? Would he destroy everything instead of doing that?

Romans 8:19-21 has the following:
For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God; for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and obtain the glorious liberty of the children of God …
The creation (yes, "all things" from Greek "pantos") doesn't wait for this only to be destroyed first.
10 posted on 05/18/2011 3:11:26 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: grumpa
Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,”[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
11 posted on 05/18/2011 3:17:54 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (The stench of dependency is a sickening smell. Strive to become an asset, not a liability.)
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To: Olog-hai

Look, I know that people like to pimp their blogs by making provocative statements, but the Bible says clearly that God will destroy the old heaven and earth and create a new heaven and earth.

Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind. Isaiah 65:17

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Revelation 21:1

But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness. 2 Peter 3:13


12 posted on 05/18/2011 3:19:53 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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13 posted on 05/18/2011 3:27:54 PM PDT by Einherjar
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To: Meet the New Boss

Look, I know that people like to pimp their blogs by making provocative statements, but the Bible says clearly that God will destroy the old heaven and earth and create a new heaven and earth
No, it does not say "destroy" anywhere in the Scriptures. Melting the surface of the earth cannot destroy it; you have to evaporate it or turn it into plasma. Basic thermodynamics here. Ecclesiastes 1:4 plainly says that "the earth abides forever" (the Hebrew word "olam" does mean "forever"). Psalm 104:30 talks about God "renew(ing) the face of the earth"; the apostles regarded the Psalms as prophecy, and this actually refers back to Genesis 1:2 as well (the word "was" in that verse should have been translated "became", from Hebrew hayatah).

Also, the phrase "end of the world" in Matthew 24:3 comes from Greek synteleias tou aionos, which properly translates as "end of the age".

Now remind me what blog I was "pimping" . . . ? Oh yeah, none at all. I can perhaps link to this, though.
14 posted on 05/18/2011 3:40:40 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Oh I see now, you are nit-picking the word “destroy” - does it mean “melt” or does it mean instead “turn into plasma.”

So if you’re standing on the surface of the earth at the time God destroys the old earth, will you melt or turn into plasma. That’s the big question in your mind. Okay, got it.


15 posted on 05/18/2011 3:45:24 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: grumpa

“Did you know that the Bible does not even mention the end of the physical universe?”

The end of the Universe? Where did they ever here a Christian say anything like that? And most Chritians will agree that the Earth will not be “destroyed” as like the Death Star blowing up Alderann. It will be purified by Fire.


16 posted on 05/18/2011 3:45:24 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Olog-hai
Now remind me what blog I was "pimping"

Okay, Mr. Nit-Picker, I got a question for you- WHERE did I say that YOU were pimping a blog? Hmmmm?

Oh wait, you were just nit-picked! LOL

17 posted on 05/18/2011 3:48:22 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: grumpa

The world can’t end on the 21st because I have a pedicure appointment for the 23rd.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 3:50:01 PM PDT by MeganC (NO WAR FOR OIL! ........except when a Democrat's in charge.)
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To: grumpa

Can you post the whole blog, please? Some of us are on handhelds.


19 posted on 05/18/2011 3:54:45 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: grumpa

Never mind, I got it.

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Judgment Day May 21, 2011
Posted on May 18, 2011 by prophecyquestions
Here we go again—Judgment Day. This time Harold Camping called it for this weekend, May 21. His billboard ads read: “The Bible Guarantees It!” We even heard this mentioned this week on CNBC, of all places. Confused Christians have been calling for the end of the world for a very long time, embarrassing themselves and the rest of Christianity.

Did you know that the Bible does not even mention the end of the physical universe? I’m sure this will come to a shock to Christians who do not know their Bible. So let’s take a look.

There are two basic places people point to when they think the Bible speaks of the end of the world—the books of Matthew and the books of 1st and 2nd Peter.

In the King James Version of the book of Matthew Jesus speaks of the “end of the world” in Matthew 13:40, 13:49, 24:3, and 28:20. But wait, modern translations including the New King James Version say here the “end of the age.” This is a big difference. When we look at the Greek we see the word translated as “world” in the King James Version is aion, which in English is age. The King James mistranslated this word! English readers of the King James Version have been misled since the year 1611. If Jesus had wanted to say the end of the physical world, he would have used the word kosmos.

So what age is Jesus speaking about? In the so-called Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21) we find the largest body of prophecy outside of the book of Revelation. Here Jesus gives a list of things that will happen, including the destruction of the temple. And he gives a time line when they will all happen—his generation. This is perhaps clearest in Luke 21:22 and 32. Since the thrust of the prophecy is the temple, it makes perfect sense that Jesus is talking about the end of the Old Covenant Age. The Old Covenant Age ended in 70 AD when the temple was destroyed, over a million Jews were killed by the Romans, the nation of Israel ceased to exist—and the ancient system of temple sacrifices for sin ended forever.

By the way, the phrase “this generation” which is the time-line Jesus puts on his prophecies, appears 23 times outside the Olivet Discourse. Every time it clearly means the generation of people living at the time of Jesus. There is no rational reason for translating it any other way in the Olivet Discourse.

This time line— the first century—is confirmed in 100 other Bible passages! Most if not all Bible prophecy was fulfilled in the first generation unless Jesus and the writers of the New Testament were false prophets.

The other place people try to find the end of the world is Peter’s epistles. But Peter does not say the end of the world. What he does mention is the expectation of a cataclysmic event to happen very soon. In 1 Peter 4:17 Peter say, “The end of all things is near/at hand.” Since the end of the physical universe did not come to pass in the time frame he spoke of, either he was a false prophet or he was speaking about something other than the end of the world. We conclude that Peter was speaking, as Jesus was, about the end of all old covenant things.

Peter uses a variety of phrases in his epistles such as the “Day of the Lord,” the “destruction of the heavens by fire,” the “new heaven and earth,” etc. But such astronomical language is commonplace language throughout the Bible to speak in non-literal language about actual judgments by God on guilty people—all of which are past events!

It fits in precisely with the prophecies of Jesus, from whom Peter would have gotten his own ideas about the coming judgment upon the Jews. All these prophecies, as well as many in the Old Testament were about the coming desolation of Jerusalem and the temple, not the end of the world.


20 posted on 05/18/2011 4:05:30 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: grumpa
Has anyone ever listened to Harold Camping?

He is an egoistical, prideful, narcissistic maniac.

When callers to his show quote scripture (chapter and verse) that clearly contradicts what he is saying, he ridicules people and hangs up on them....and the composes himself and says (with mock sincerity): "But thank you for calling and sharing."

He is NOT a disciple of Jesus Christ. When May 21st comes and goes, he will simply say "My calculations were off" like he did back in the early 1990's (the last time he tried this trick) and move on. Sadly, gullible jerks will follow him yet again - just like Democrat voters.

21 posted on 05/18/2011 4:10:44 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: grumpa
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (day of the Lord's return) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." 2 Thess 2:3,4

These events have not happened yet. May 21 is not the day of the Lord.

22 posted on 05/18/2011 4:44:33 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: grumpa
For the straight skinny on Bible prophecy, see the other articles on the blog read your Bible.
23 posted on 05/18/2011 4:51:29 PM PDT by FreeMaine (John 3:3 God said be born again or go to hell)
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To: Patrick1
Matthew 24:36

I guess this guy puts himself on the same plane as The Father.

24 posted on 05/18/2011 4:57:50 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: grumpa

>> “Did you know that the Bible does not even mention the end of the physical universe?” <<

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What a stupid lie!

2Pe 3:10
¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?


25 posted on 05/18/2011 4:58:27 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: SkyPilot

Camping has pulled this so many times that no Christian even listens to his program; only the hopelessly and terminally lost find him interesting.


26 posted on 05/18/2011 5:01:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: FreeMaine

Amen!


27 posted on 05/18/2011 5:09:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: pepsionice

>> “People that use the Bible for prophecy....are probably pro-doomsday, under any mindset” <<

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What do you use for prophecy? - the New York Times?


28 posted on 05/18/2011 5:11:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If you’re talking about Matthew 24, then yes it does speak to the end of an age, or era. The context proves that anyway.


29 posted on 05/18/2011 5:14:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Gen.Blather

Nothing in the Bible is ‘arbitrary.’

The Bible is a masterpiece of exactitude and precision to those that take the time to study it fully.

Your statement is typical of those with zero knowledge of God’s word.


30 posted on 05/18/2011 5:18:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Olog-hai

No, ultimately the entire physical universe will return from whence it came: the mouth of God.

The word plainly speaks of a “New Heaven and New Earth” coming down, not a revival of the limited physical Earth. The Earth is a temporal place, and has no place in a timeless existence.


31 posted on 05/18/2011 5:24:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: nonsporting

>> “These events have not happened yet.” <<

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Really?

There’s no pope yet?

Sitting in his “holy place” calling himself an alternate Christ?

The first two fulfilments of this have happened, and we wait only for the third and ultimate event.


32 posted on 05/18/2011 5:31:21 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

No, ultimately the entire physical universe will return from whence it came: the mouth of God.

The word plainly speaks of a “New Heaven and New Earth” coming down, not a revival of the limited physical Earth. The Earth is a temporal place, and has no place in a timeless existence
I see that you don't cite a single scripture to support what you claim. Be careful of taking away from or adding to scripture; it has to all go together. That's at least one of the reasons I always link the Bible with Strong's Dictionary.
33 posted on 05/18/2011 6:42:57 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: editor-surveyor

>> “Did you know that the Bible does not even mention the end of the physical universe?” <<

What a stupid lie!

2Pe 3:10
¶ But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Don't cite one set of scriptures without citing others that appear to state the opposite. They all go together. Make sure you know what Greek word or phrase is translated "pass away", and make sure you read Ecclesiastes 1:4. Claiming that God is going to simply wipe out his own creation and replace it totally with something else is implying that he created it in vain; he did not. The "melt(ing)" mentioned in 2 Peter does not refer to a total destruction of the earth, which Ecclesiastes 1:4 says will abide forever.
34 posted on 05/18/2011 6:47:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

>> “Claiming that God is going to simply wipe out his own creation and replace it totally with something else is implying that he created it in vain” <<

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No that is also a lie.

He created the material, temporal, universe as a part of his plan, and his plan clearly calls for all things material and temporal to cease when that which is perfect is come.


35 posted on 05/18/2011 8:16:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Olog-hai

Ah! Strong’s dictionary is now a part of the Word of God.

And jehova’s witnesses will go to heaven too I suppose?


36 posted on 05/18/2011 8:19:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Ah! Strong’s dictionary is now a part of the Word of God
What exactly do you mean "now"? The dictionary refers back to the original texts that the Word of God was inspired in. Those are certainly part of said Word. You're not denigrating Dr. James Strong's quite large efforts (dictionary/concordance published in 1890, FTR) towards increasing understanding of the scriptures?

And jehova’s witnesses will go to heaven too I suppose?
Now where do you get this from? A Bible that says that no man ascends to heaven?
37 posted on 05/18/2011 11:22:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: editor-surveyor

He created the material, temporal, universe as a part of his plan, and his plan clearly calls for all things material and temporal to cease when that which is perfect is come
"Clearly"? I've already cited verses that say that no such thing will happen. If you'd have a look at Strong's, you'd notice that certain verses where the word is translated "new" refers to a renewal. God does not create things in vain.
38 posted on 05/18/2011 11:24:47 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: editor-surveyor
>> “These events have not happened yet.” << . Really? There’s no pope yet? Sitting in his “holy place” calling himself an alternate Christ? The first two fulfilments of this have happened, and we wait only for the third and ultimate event.

No one has yet sat in the "temple of God" and claimed that he was "God." Nor has he shown himself to be "God" by signs and wonders.

"And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another." (Matthew 24:10). See also 2 Thess 2:3. The great falling away hasn't happened yet.

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Matthew 24:21). This hasn't happened yet, and this precedes the "day of the Lord" (his return),

We are missing the events described in Rev 6:1-10 (Seals 1 thru 5) With the opening of the 6th seal this commences the "day of the Lord" which heralds Christ's return. It's been pretty quiet around here.

39 posted on 05/19/2011 7:01:53 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

>> No one has yet sat in the “temple of God” and claimed that he was “God.” <<

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popes have been doing exactly that for about 1500 years.


40 posted on 05/19/2011 10:09:42 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor; nonsporting
>> No one has yet sat in the “temple of God” and claimed that he was “God.” <<

The study of history can prevent you from making statements like that above: Antiochus Epiphanes, who gave himself the title, Theos Epiphanes, meaning “the manifest God," believing himself to be an incarnation of Zeus, issued coins of himself with the inscription, “King Antiochus. God Manifest, Bearing Victory," and later erected a statue of Zeus in the Jewish temple, offered the burnt offering of the pigs, and commanded that the sacrifices be repeated each 25th of the month in celebration of his birthday. Zeus was identified as Ba'al Shamen, lord of heaven. In Hebrew, the name was Ba'al Shamayim and was identified as Yahweh, Lord of heaven. So when Antiochus identified himself Zeus, aka Ba'al Shamen, he was claiming to be Yahweh, Ba'al Shamayim, the Lord of heaven, having sacrifices offered to himself in the temple of Yahweh.
41 posted on 05/19/2011 10:34:00 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

I hope you do understand that I was quoting another post?


42 posted on 05/19/2011 11:01:29 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: grumpa
[Why the Bible Never speaks of the End of the Physical Universe]

4And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
--Isaiah 34:4

7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2 Peter 3:7, 10-13

1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Revelation 21:1

The heavens and the earth pretty much covers the "physical universe" and Isaiah, 2 Peter, and Revelation are in the Bible.
43 posted on 05/19/2011 11:09:44 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: editor-surveyor
>> No one has yet sat in the “temple of God” and claimed that he was “God.” << popes have been doing exactly that for about 1500 years.

So, you are equating Rome with the "temple of God"?

I thought the only structure so named was built by Solomon in Jerusalem, destroyed by the Babylonians in 586BC, restored 70 years later and then finally destroyed by Romans in 70AD. Or course, Christians are also called the "temple of God" (1 Corinthians 3:16), but it is hard to understand 2 Thess 2:4 as referring to anything but a physical temple.

A reconstructed temple in spiritual Sodom (earthly Jerusalem where our Lord was crucified--Rev 11:8) appears to be a prerequisite.

The Pope calls himself the "vicar of Christ" and I am disturbed by the implications of this claim. "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." (1 Tim 2:5). However, the "first beast" has not yet received the "[deadly] wound by a sword" and been healed by the second beast (Rev 13:11-14). These events, which must precede the "day of the Lord" (Rev 14:14-16), have not yet happened.

Partial Chronology of the Tribulation

Pictoral Chart of the Book of Revelation

We do not know the day or the hour of Christ's return, but we are not ignorant of the detailed events which must precede it and, therefore, will not be deceived, as many will be, by the arrival of the false Christ who has been permitted to make war on the children of God.

None of these events have happened. Christ's return is not imminent (May 21st).

44 posted on 05/19/2011 11:43:02 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: SkyPilot
Has anyone ever listened to Harold Camping?
He is an egoistical, prideful, narcissistic maniac.

Er, excuse me...

Mr. Camping uses this phrase whenever he wants to cut off a caller and spend twenty minutes answering a one minute question.

A long time ago I heard that it is never wise to argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel. Same argument for those who own a radio station and control the air time.

My hope? On May 22nd, the FCC moves to shut down Family Radio once and for all. And for those who want to chime in and talk about the beautiful music, I suggest you study the phrase "bait and switch." It's the same reason I don't listen to the Mormon Fish and Tackle Choir.

45 posted on 05/19/2011 11:43:14 AM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (I will always remember exactly where I was when Obama made his NCAA picks.)
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To: nonsporting

Every “temple” from now to the return of the Lord will be a false temple, constructed to please the kabbalists, not God.

This definitely includes “St. Peter’s” basilica.


46 posted on 05/19/2011 12:04:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: The Citizen Soldier

You mean the Morman Block and Tackle Choir?


47 posted on 05/19/2011 12:06:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor
"You mean the Morman Block and Tackle Choir?"

Yes, that band also. Of course, Fish and Tackle worked better with my "bait and switch" comment, but I appreciate your input.

48 posted on 05/19/2011 1:15:29 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (I will always remember exactly where I was when Obama made his NCAA picks.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"You mean the Morman Block and Tackle Choir?"

Yes, that band also. Of course, Fish and Tackle worked better with my "bait and switch" comment, but I appreciate your input.

49 posted on 05/19/2011 1:16:50 PM PDT by The Citizen Soldier (I will always remember exactly where I was when Obama made his NCAA picks.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Every “temple” from now to the return of the Lord will be a false temple, constructed to please the kabbalists, not God. This definitely includes “St. Peter’s” basilica.

Which of these will be known by the phrase "the temple of God"? (2 Thess 2:4 says "the" temple of God, not "a" temple of God.) Historically there has been one and only location for a structure known as "the" temple of God.

50 posted on 05/19/2011 1:50:14 PM PDT by nonsporting
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