Posted on 06/14/2011 4:20:58 PM PDT by parksstp
Okay Folks, Enough is Enough!
I have enjoyed participating in this forum for a long time because I enjoy supporting the conservative values people like JimRob, the Tea Party, and other decent Americans hold dear to. It's obvious we are in the fight of our lives for the long-term survival of this country. 2012 is clearly a major turning poing that could very well decide whether or not America survives.
Because of this importance, it is paramount we select the right candidate, the true conservative that will stand with us on all the conservative specturms (social, economic, domestic, and foreign policy). We absolutely cannot settle for another RINO or Democrat-lite candidate.
Many people here have been passionate in support of "their" candidate. Others have expressed gloom and doom with no hope of survival. Still others have taken the "my candidate or nothing" road. I want to address these.
Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum (listed alphabetically). All of these individuals have strong conservative credentials, and based on what I know, I would feel comfortable and empowered with supporting any of them in a general election against Obama. Nobody is ever perfect, but these four individuals have shown time and time again that they have the character and the heart to direct the country in the "right" direction.
That being said, I have become alarmed and disheartened at the amount of attacks generated against these folks by posters on this board claiming to be conservative. I have seen Michele Bachmann absolutely brutalized for one reason or another, being labeled a "phony, stalking-horse, RINO, inexperienced, unintelligent". I have also seen Herman Cain get hammered as an "Establishment guy, Anti-2nd Amendment, TARP loving RINO". And some people just can't let the whole Santorum/Spector thing rest. It's like many posters for whatever reason want to turn reality on its head.
I know a lot of people on this board like and support Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum. Personally, I really like Michele and her debate performance last night strengthened my opinion of her. As I said before, I could easily support any of them.
I think many of the Palin supporters feel the same way too (that is, if she decided not to jump in, they could support one of the three above without much reservations). And many of us supporting one of the three candidates listed above, could possibly move to the Palin camp if she got in without any problems.
However, there appears to be a strong minority of the Palin supporters on this forum that are trying hard to deliberately suck the life out of any other conservative candidate who might actually be just as able to carry the conservative banner in the 2012 election. The notion of these folks is that Palin is the only "true conservative" who can do no wrong and that any other candidate claiming to be a conservative in this race is simply a "wolf in sheeps clothing", and that we should simply wait for her entry into the race so that she can be rightfully "annoited". After all, they say, once she enters, the debates against the other conservatives will be useless because she is already obviously the winner!
As someone that believes in conservative values and independent thought, I reject this notion and take great offense to the attacks these people have thrown on Bachmann, Cain, and Santorum.
I like Sarah Palin a lot. I love how she has learned to torture the media and turn the game on them. It's clear she is the most charasmatic of all the conservative indiviudals listed. Beleive me, it would be awesome watching her win on Election Night just to see the reaction of the liberal media (I predict Olbermann would hang himself). She's more than capable to be President.
But Sarah Palin isn't the only conservative. And contrary to some people here, she isn't an object to be worshipped. This type of infatuation always leads to disappointment, because NO candidate is perfect.
I like Michelle Bachmann. And I like Herman Cain too. And if either of these individuals ever made it to the WH at the top of a ticket, then I believe are country would be in good shape.
So I'm asking nicely to please, stop the attacks on the other conservatives in this race. These people are not rivals, they're allies. Let them each state their case to the American people, then take a step back, and make a good, rationale, objective decision.
P.S. By "Conservative Candidates" I do not mean Romney or other RINOS (those folks are fair game)
Disagree....if the conservative base does not come out in numbers, Zero wins. That's why Palin is the only choice.
Yes, I watched the video before sharing.
As a woman, I recognize catty snark when I see it from someone batting their eyelashes. JMO
Bank on it, the Marxists know every detail of each and every one of them.
They know Palin has been hit with everything they have and still she came out even stronger.
Who knows what October surprises about Romney, Cain, Bachmann etc. they’re saving for next year.
You what to point to one criticism that was not a manufacture of those wanting to tear her apart?
I'm willing to listen.
I like Bachmann, Cain, Palin, West and McCotter. I’m almost warming to Perry for his common sense approach to jobs and the economy but I don’t think this country is ready for another Texas Governor so soon. I’m sorry to hear someone has derided you for your choice of candidate. The only ones i’m against have (D) by their name. Keep up the good fight!
And you shot yourself in the foot with this comment:
And contrary to some people here, she [Palin] isn't an object to be worshipped. This type of infatuation always leads to disappointmentOne of most destructive things happening here is those that like to snipe with snarky comments that Palin is worshipped.
Concern troll stuff, "I like Palin but she's a prima donna" etc etc
Quite pissantian
Not all the conservative base likes Palin as the nominee. Trust me, I know many who do not.
FR is not a reflection of the masses.
Apologizing for comment at post 30. Very inappropriate
thanks I’m just tired of this new meme. that only Palin can be attacked and we must treat all other candidates with kidgloves. they haven’t faced 1/10000th of the “attacks” that Palin has. Many of those attacks coming from the same people now saying we as conservatives should not be attacking other candidates. It is just hypocritcal on its face and it is a very bad gameplan in the long run...
>>So the MSM/DNC?RNc establishment has attacked Gov Palin for the last three years on anything and everything and you buying into their talking points want to use those same attacks on her at free republic and you wonder why people get upset.<<
Is there any point in responding? You have already begged the question (the proper use of that fallacy btw). You have already framed any (and all) criticism as being repeated talking points.
As with many others, you make my point for me.
>>You what to point to one criticism that was not a manufacture of those wanting to tear her apart?<<
She is polarizing. She made major mistakes during her VP run that she has been unable to compensate for. She quit her Governor position and that makes her look like a quitter. Her toying with the media, as satisfying it is to those of here at FR, looked adolescent after she made her point.
These may all have good explanations, but they are facts nonetheless. Closing your eyes to political truths accomplishes nothing.
Let me add the capper: I predict Gov. Palin will not run. How that is “a talking point” is beyond me. But I have had people write pph after pph about how I am (use bullet list in my early post) for DARING to handicap what she might do.
>>I’m willing to listen.<<
Not from what I have read on this and other threads (not from you, personally, but from the vitriol exhibited — again against the poster, not the posts — by supporters of Gov. Palin). But I look forward to your addressing my arguments and not just insulting me.
But I must add even if you personally prove me wrong about you, you can’t undo the posts already on this thread that prove the OP correct.
yes it appears some of the conservative base are easily lead around by the nose by the MSM/RNc/DNC’s PR machine. sad really i would think that the conservative base in large part was smarter than to allow the MSM to once again pick out candidate.
Indeed.
>.yes it appears some of the conservative base are easily lead around by the nose by the MSM/RNc/DNC’s PR machine. sad really i would think that the conservative base in large part was smarter than to allow the MSM to once again pick out candidate.<<
That is what we mean. If someone/anyone criticizes Gov. Palin or handicaps her chance of winning, they “are easily lead around by the nose by the MSM/RNc/DNC’s PR machine.”
That isn’t addressing the argument, it is attacking the person.
Are you talking about this thread? Because I missed any attacks on any candidate. I see a lot of attacks on the OP and those who have agreed with the points it raises.
Indeed. It's worth noting that parksstp has not stuck around since posting the vanity to engage any of us in dialog. On that point alone, a doff of the ol' derby to freedumb2003 for at least hanging in there for the jousting.
You’re going to get called some bad names.
I wonder what your Freepmail inbox looks like.
I pick who I want. I don’t pay attention to the MSM because they just play with us.
Unless the primary process changes, the democrats may pick our candidate. They, so far, have no primaries coming up, so they will attempt to help choose for us.
That condescending attitude and insulting language does nothing at all to attract folks to your candidate. It does the opposite, in fact.
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