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'Ultra-Right', 'Extreme' John Birch Society Saw It ALL Coming Down the Pike...
Reaganite Republican ^ | October 17, 2011 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 10/17/2011 4:18:04 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican

50 years later,  history is proving them right-
as it will soon enough the TEA Party

The John Birch Society was founded in 1958 by Robert Welch, a retired candy manufacturer who saw collectivism as the main threat to Western Civilization, with useful-idiot-type liberals serving as "secret communist traitors" that provided cover for a move towards world socialist government   The organization took its name from an American Baptist missionary (and US intelligence officer) who was shot dead by Red Chinese forces in August 1945, therefore it was that John Birch was honored as 'first fatality of the Cold War'. 

The agenda was pro-family, pro-Christian, anti-communist, anti-UN, and anti-big government, while treating the principles of the US Constitution/Bill of Rights as sacrosanct. The JBS charter was based on opposing plans of what they said were a small group of 'Insiders' working surreptitiously both in and outside of government to bring the this country's free-market enterprise system to it's knees while incrementally stripping America's sovereignty and inflicting a socalist society upon our people. But they also felt both the USSR and US governments were under the influence of the same international cabal, one keen to bring about a collectivist 'New World Order'... all orchestrated from behind the scenes and by-hook-or-by-crook.

Naturally such conspiracy theory brought massive derision -particularly from those exposed- and the John Birch Society was mocked as paranoid and delusional- among other things. But just listen to what the man had to say back then in '73 -most of this quoted from their 1958 charter- and you tell me he's not warning us of the the heinous internationalist-socialist Sorobama regime that's currently ripping this country a new one...

Agenda of the NWO 'Insiders', according to JBS (1958):

Just 'cuz you're paranoid 
doesn't mean they're not after you:

If you find that level of conspiracy theory to much to swallow, consider this: The second head of the John Birch Society was Congressman Larry McDonald from Georgia, who was killed on September 1, 1983, when the Soviet Union shot down KAL 007... the only congressman killed by the Soviets during the Cold War.

Welch's 1973 speech video/pics/more at Reaganite Republican

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KEYWORDS: birch; conservative; extremist; jbs; reactionary
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1 posted on 10/17/2011 4:18:13 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

I remember back in the days of “Burma Shave” signs, seeing the “Get us out of the UN” billboards by the JBS. It is a shame that we did not pay attention.


2 posted on 10/17/2011 4:33:38 AM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: Reaganite Republican

It was the John Birch Society that made my parents move from the Democrat to the Republican party, back in the 60’s.


3 posted on 10/17/2011 4:37:38 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Reaganite Republican

My dad was a proud member and it certainly helped influence my political leanings and love for history.


4 posted on 10/17/2011 4:38:03 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Look at that! I’m a “Bircher”, I guess.


5 posted on 10/17/2011 4:48:55 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr

Me too ;-)


6 posted on 10/17/2011 4:53:15 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: raybbr

Viva la Bircher!

Wolverines!

Bottom line - the good guys are losing the war on America and our Constitution.


7 posted on 10/17/2011 4:54:51 AM PDT by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The MSM declared war on the JBS and it continues today. There is no comparable criticism of any Marxist organizations and witness how Bill Ayers’ biography has morphed from ‘terrorist’ to presidential advisor.


8 posted on 10/17/2011 4:56:26 AM PDT by sodpoodle (God is ignoring me - because He is watching you)
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To: Solson

I used to get their magazine in the 90’s after the Waco debacle. I still agree with them 100%.


9 posted on 10/17/2011 4:57:31 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Big_Harry
I remember back in the days of “Burma Shave” signs, seeing the “Get us out of the UN” billboards by the JBS. It is a shame that we did not pay attention. __________________________________________________________ NEVER too late, BH...
10 posted on 10/17/2011 5:04:03 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: newfreep

Exactly... I’m basically a Birchlerine then lol


11 posted on 10/17/2011 5:05:28 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

sfl


12 posted on 10/17/2011 5:05:52 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: MikeSteelBe

I can’t take the full isolationist foreign policy, ill-advised imho

Other than that, I LOVE what they’ve got to say...


13 posted on 10/17/2011 5:06:35 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
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To: Solson
I make it a point to discuss history and current events with my child, and I can't help but feeling that much of the time I am giving a point of view that is out of sync with what is being taught at school. The ‘arab spring’ issue was one in which it was almost blasphemous to discuss the potential anti-US anti-Israel radical aspects.

I feel I have to explain things in great detail and actually defend what is in reality a non-radical viewpoint, to avoid sounding to my child like I'm ‘out there’. It's out of control and has to stop.

In order to stop the radical left I believe it is crucial to decentralize our society as much as possible. It is much easier in 2011 to propagandize than it was in 1911. A relatively small group of people can control popular culture and higher education, and filter what we hear, see, and read.

It took the left many decades to put themselves in the position to control these avenues of public perception and popular thinking, and the best way we can stop it is by adding options that they don't control, overwhelming the central control they've worked so hard to put into place.

One example is higher education. Leftist control of universities can be overcome by massive growth of online higher education and institution of aptitude testing to allow direct comparison of knowledge with those who obtain standard university education. The aptitude testing should be by private companies that provide results as a fee service to employers looking for the best employees. Any complaints by the left about this can be defended by pointing out that this is the most egalitarian, affordable, and universally accessible system of higher education that can be put into place.

There are many more fairly straightforward ways in which we can decentralize society and take control back from the left, but it will take time. We don't have time to waste.

14 posted on 10/17/2011 5:11:02 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Reaganite Republican

Politically, I’ve been to the “right” of the JBS for years.;>)


15 posted on 10/17/2011 5:15:35 AM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Next time you’re at a gun show, go to the book seller tables and see if they have a copy of “None Dare Call It Conspiracy” by Gary Allen. It’s also available on Amazon.


16 posted on 10/17/2011 5:15:45 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
If you find that level of conspiracy theory to much to swallow

Does it really matter if it is a conspiracy or not if Democrats are doing all of these things anyway?

In reality isn’t any political party a conspiracy to gain and hold power so as to use the power of government to achieve your goals?

The only possible difference is that whether your goals are open or secret. In the case of the Democrats I believe that their goals are out in the open with the exception that they do not admit (most of them) that their goals are communistic.

17 posted on 10/17/2011 5:19:59 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: newfreep
"..the good guys are losing the war.."

We don't have to lose. There just aren't enough good guys on our side.

18 posted on 10/17/2011 5:21:20 AM PDT by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: Reaganite Republican
The agenda was pro-family, pro-Christian, anti-communist, anti-UN, and anti-big government, while treating the principles of the US Constitution/Bill of Rights as sacrosanct.

What's wrong with that?

19 posted on 10/17/2011 5:26:39 AM PDT by Marathoner (Occupy Wall Street = Parasites on Parade)
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To: Reaganite Republican; mickie; flaglady47; magnum force 1; Chigirl 26; prairiebreeze; oswegodeee; ...
Although I never joined the JBS, I attended several meetings by invitation to see what they were like. This was many decades ago. The attendees were mostly professional people, doctors, lawyers, business professionals, airline pilots. They were incredibly sharp, intelligent and most of all, just about the most informed people on earth.

They were completely knowledgeable regarding issues of the day...such as the Cold War, the Soviet threat, communists in the government, attacks on capitalism, etc.

Salt of the earth patriots, all of them.

While meetings were not clandestine, they were low-key and private, due to the concentrated attacks on the Society and its adherents by the MSM of the day.

Meetings were held at the Chicago suburban estate of a member of a prominent local family. Security was on site to watch the area where the members who were meeting inside were parked. This was to insure no one drove in to take license plates numbers.

Kinda cloak-and-daggerish, now looking back on the times. But this was also the time that home-grown communists and socialists were infiltrating our government and institutions, getting a toe-hold and control everywhere they could....and we're seeing the results today.

Leni

20 posted on 10/17/2011 5:33:36 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Reaganite Republican

21 posted on 10/17/2011 5:37:13 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Reaganite Republican

“extreme”? Truth and righteousness are extreme. There is no lies in truth and no unrighteousness in righteousness. Can’t get any more extreme than that. Moderation is blending the two. A little bit of wrong with right. Extreme good is good. Moderate wrong is wrong.


22 posted on 10/17/2011 5:39:35 AM PDT by all the best
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To: sodpoodle
"The MSM declared war on the JBS and it continues today."

Sadly, this was aided by W.F. Buckley, who hated the JBS.
Sure, there were some kooks in it, as there are in anything (one need look no further that NR itself - Buckley's idiot son, and David Frum, to name a few).

23 posted on 10/17/2011 5:49:27 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Travis McGee; archy

The lower right fist with peace sign - that was the emblem on the shirt of the “guy with the mike” at the atlanta OWS site, when they denied John Lewis a speaking opportunity. The only difference was that it was on a red background.

Do you know its origin?

TIA


24 posted on 10/17/2011 5:51:49 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
It was the John Birch Society that made my parents move from the Democrat to the Republican party, back in the 60’s.

Have you heard of the new subgroup they've established for the children of the founding group? It's called the "Sons of Birches".

25 posted on 10/17/2011 5:57:12 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: MinuteGal
Although I never joined the JBS, I attended several meetings by invitation to see what they were like. This was many decades ago. The attendees were mostly professional people, doctors, lawyers, business professionals, airline pilots. They were incredibly sharp, intelligent and most of all, just about the most informed people on earth.

In the beginning years of the JBS, I was a mere child but my mom was nurse that was around the doctors you describe above that were involved in the JBS. Some of the office talk made it home as "adult conversations" that I listened to raptly. I've seen the prognostications of the JBS come true in many areas but especially in the area of healthcare which was the focus of much of the "adult conversations". I recall some intense discussions among my parents and grandparents on these subjects, especially since my mom's dad was a railroad union man.

26 posted on 10/17/2011 6:46:37 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Psalm 73

“The MSM declared war on the JBS and it continues today.”

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The Birchers have lost the war.

I belong to a computer users group that has been meeting since the mid 70’s. We meet once a month and I almost never miss. At Saturdays meeting I was speaking to a couple of guys who had told me they were going to vote for Obama. They did do that and I have asked several times since if they were going to vote for him again or if they had voters remorse. They are going to vote for him again.

When I explain that the president is Marxist and ask is that what they want, they laugh at me and tell me I’m crazy and then say, “yeah he’s a Moslem too, Ha, Ha, and he isn’t a citizen either, Ha, Ha.”

The Democrat party has been overrun by the Marxists. The news media has been overrun by the Marxists.

Marxism is unsustainable. Although I say that there is a Marxist state of China, Cuba and North Korea that keeps going and going and going. Marxist states keep going by forcing everyone to be poor. Marxism or Socialism will always fail, it is just a matter of time before it falls under it’s own weight. The problem is that that can take a lot of time. I do believe that the true Marxist in this country are in the very small minority and that the rest of those that vote Democrat are just stupid dupes that are mislead by the MSM.

I don’t know what to do inform people of the truth, when I try I am often ridiculed.

I have decided to prepare for the worst as best I can and prepare to have my own little island of security until the government comes and takes everything I have and shares it with those that don’t. I suspect they will have to do that over my dead body but I’m not sure I will be able to hold them off very long. Death is probably better than letting them win with me under their subjection.

These are not the best of times.


27 posted on 10/17/2011 7:32:03 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
"I have decided to prepare for the worst as best I can....until the government comes and takes everything I have.... I suspect they will have to do that over my dead body....Death is probably better than letting them win with me under their subjection."

Patrick Henry, George Washington, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, et al: it was good enough for these guys - it shoukld be good enough for us.
I'd rather go down swingin' than kneeling with a bullet in the back of my head....

28 posted on 10/17/2011 8:08:23 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Reaganite Republican
John Birch Society Saw It ALL Coming Down the Pike

So did Pat Buchanan.

But the frauds and leftist told us he was a bad guy, anti-jew etc, etc.

29 posted on 10/17/2011 8:11:34 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Pat’s right on some things, and wrong on others.....he is right on about the Decline of the West.


30 posted on 10/17/2011 8:13:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Psalm 73

Patrick Henry, George Washington. . . . . .

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Thanks,
Interesting, as a young man I served in the Submarine Service, the boat I lived on for 4 years was the USS Patrick Henry, the sister ship was the USS George Washington.


31 posted on 10/17/2011 8:15:06 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: Triple
The clenched fist sign was popularized in the 1930s as a Communist/leftist counterpoint to Mussolini's stiff armed "Roman salute", which the Nazis adopted in their "Heil Hitler" salute. You can see pictures of Stalin giving the clenched fist sign at public ceremonies starting in the 1930s.

There may have been some earlier manifestations of the "clenched fist" salute, but I am not aware of any.

32 posted on 10/17/2011 8:21:57 AM PDT by Wallace T. (Shoot, shovel, and shut up)
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To: JAKraig

Marxism and sin have much in common. Each bears within itself the seeds of its own destruction.


33 posted on 10/17/2011 8:22:15 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: dfwgator
"John Birch Society Saw It ALL Coming Down the Pike"

So did Pat Buchanan.

But the frauds and leftist told us he was a bad guy, anti-jew etc, etc.

Pat’s right on some things, and wrong on others.....he is right on about the Decline of the West.

Yeah, he was right about some trivial things like the decline of America...big deal huh?

You're joking right?

What the hell we talking about here??

34 posted on 10/17/2011 8:26:29 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Wallace T.

This one is the clenched fist with the 2 fingers up, in what is commonly thought of as a peace sign. It is seemingly modeled after the international socialists clenched fist.

The socialist signs are all over the OWS movement. I was wondering if this particular one had a specific group that was using it. I don’t have a copy of None Dare call it conspiracy, but it would seem that it might be defined there.

Thx


35 posted on 10/17/2011 8:31:22 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The JBS taught me about Newt. He’s been on their radar and in their sights for a long, long time.


36 posted on 10/17/2011 8:32:30 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: Psalm 73

It’s ironic, the John Birch Society, and people like Pat Buchanan were absolutely correct, and those telling everyone they are “kooks”, turn out the be the real frauds and liars.


37 posted on 10/17/2011 8:37:31 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Triple
The "V" sign was popularized by Winston Churchill during World War II, but I doubt the leftists who used the sign starting with the "Ban the Bomb" movement in the 1950s were fond of the British wartime leader.

As with the clenched fist sign, there may have been earlier manifestations of its use, but I am not aware of any.

38 posted on 10/17/2011 8:41:41 AM PDT by Wallace T. (Shoot, shovel, and shut up)
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To: Wallace T.

Thanks for your help.

It could be a black panther symbol - i’m checking it out.

It was on a relatively newly printed t-shirt worn by an OWS leader. I am looking to see which current socialist organization might be using it.

It could be a clue about the groups leading the OWS protests. (or not)


39 posted on 10/17/2011 8:51:03 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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40 posted on 10/17/2011 8:52:34 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Solson

My grandfather was a member and I still have his 1959 copy of ‘The Blue Book’.
There is some fascinating reading right there.


41 posted on 10/17/2011 9:01:02 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RoadTest

Marxism is the most dangerous lie from the pit of Hell.

Other sins prey upon our most base selfish instincts, such as theft and adultery.

Even an “enlightened” leftist would agree with a conservative Christian that those things are wrong.

Marxism plays upon the Christlike desrie in people to care about the welfare of others as much as oneself, but it’s means put government in the role of God.


42 posted on 10/17/2011 10:56:56 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: Triple

I also noticed that V-fist on the cult leader at the Atlanta rally. I don’t know what it means, other than guessing.


43 posted on 10/17/2011 12:08:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MinuteGal

Interesting post, thanks for the ping.


44 posted on 10/17/2011 12:10:26 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I guess I'll keep living until I die.)
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To: Triple; Travis McGee
The lower right fist with peace sign . ... . Do you know its origin?

Working on it. Some background *here*.

45 posted on 10/17/2011 1:57:35 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Triple; Travis McGee
The lower right fist with peace sign . ... . Do you know its origin?

Working on it. Some background *here*.

46 posted on 10/17/2011 1:58:10 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Triple; ETL
The lower right fist with peace sign - that was the emblem on the shirt of the “guy with the mike” at the atlanta OWS site, when they denied John Lewis a speaking opportunity. The only difference was that it was on a red background.

Do you know its origin?

ETL, ping for your attention- you observed this'n before?

47 posted on 10/17/2011 2:37:02 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: MikeSteelBe

Well the book is available free for the Nook at Barnes and Noble. Doesn’t appear to be available for the Kindle.


48 posted on 10/17/2011 2:45:38 PM PDT by JosephW (Mohammad Lied, People die!)
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To: Wallace T.
The "V" sign was popularized by Winston Churchill during World War II, but I doubt the leftists who used the sign starting with the "Ban the Bomb" movement in the 1950s were fond of the British wartime leader.

As with the clenched fist sign, there may have been earlier manifestations of its use, but I am not aware of any.

Read and learn:

An early recorded use of the "two-fingered salute" is in the Macclesfield Psalter of c.1330 (in the Fitzwilliam Museum, Cambridge), being made by a glove in the Psalter’s marginalia.

According to a popular legend, the two-fingered salute or V sign derives from the gestures of longbowmen fighting in the English army at the Battle of Agincourt (1415) during the Hundred Years' War. According to the story, the French claimed that they would cut off the arrow-shooting fingers of all the English and Welsh longbowmen after they had won the battle at Agincourt. But the English came out victorious and showed off their two fingers, still intact. Historian Juliet Barker quotes Jean Le Fevre (who fought on the English side at Agincourt) as saying that Henry V included a reference to the French cutting off longbowmen's fingers in his pre-battle speech. If this is correct it confirms that the story was around at the time of Agincourt, although it does not necessarily mean that the French practised it, just that Henry found it useful for propaganda, and it does not show that the two-fingered salute is derived from the hypothetical behaviour of English archers at that battle.

The first definitive known reference to the V sign in French is in the works of François Rabelais, a sixteenth-century satirist.

It was not until the start of the 20th century that clear evidence of the use of insulting V sign in England became available, when in 1901 a worker outside Parkgate ironworks in Rotherham used the gesture (captured on the film) to indicate that he did not like being filmed. Peter Opie interviewed children in the 1950s and observed in The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren that the much older thumbing of the nose (cock-a-snook) had been replaced by the V sign as the most common insulting gesture used in the playground.

Desmond Morris discussed various possible origins of the V sign in Gestures: Their Origins and Distribution (published 1979), and came to no definite conclusion:

because of the strong taboo associated with the gesture (its public use has often been heavily penalized). As a result, there is a tendency to shy away from discussing it in detail. It is "known to be dirty" and is passed on from generation to generation by people who simply accept it as a recognized obscenity without bothering to analyse it... Several of the rival claims are equally appealing. The truth is that we will probably never know...

The insulting version of the gesture (with the palm inwards) is often compared to the offensive gesture known as "the finger". The "two-fingered salute", also known as "The Longbowman Salute", "the two" and as "The Tongs" in the West of Scotland and "the forks" in Australia, is commonly performed by flicking the V upwards from wrist or elbow. The V sign, when the palm is facing toward the person giving the sign, has long been an insulting gesture in England, and later in the rest of the United Kingdom; though the use of the inward peace sign as an insulting gesture is largely restricted to the UK, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand. It is frequently used to signify defiance (especially to authority), contempt, or derision.

—Desmond Morris
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49 posted on 10/17/2011 2:58:14 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: MikeSteelBe

“Marxism plays upon the Christlike desrie in people to care about the welfare of others as much as oneself, but it’s means put government in the role of God.”

Good analysis.


50 posted on 10/17/2011 3:03:04 PM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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