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New Kennedy Assassination Tapes Revealed
abcnews.go.com ^ | 15 Nov 2011 | Jack Cloherty

Posted on 11/15/2011 7:31:53 PM PST by smokingfrog

Nearly 48 years after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, fresh audio evidence from that fateful day has surfaced. The evidence comes in the form of the original reel-to-reel Air Force One radio recording, containing conversations between officials on the plane, the White House situation room, and others. The original tape was long thought to be lost or destroyed.

The tape contains never-before-heard conversations between the presidential aircraft and the White House and immediately after the assassination of President Kennedy on Nov. 22, 1963.

It was held privately for years by President Kennedy’s military aide at the time, Chester Clifton. Clifton was in the Dallas motorcade when Kennedy was shot and killed, and on Air Force One and involved in the radio discussions. The tape was obtained by the Raab Collection of Philadelphia.

According to Nathan Raab, the Vice President of the collection, the tape is the raw, unedited version of the edited audio tape from Air Force One that is in the National Archive. The Raab Collection says the raw tape “is about 30 minutes longer than the edited version, predates it by years, and contains incidents and code names never before heard by the American public.”

“That this tape even exists will change the way we view this great event in history,” said Raab. “It took decades to analyze the shorter, newer version and it will take years to do the same here. This provides a concise ‘tale of the tapes’ and offers great insight into ongoing research.”

The tape contains a dramatic first-hand report of the President’s assassination, and the wounding of then-Texas Governor John Connolly. ..

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Government; History; Reference
KEYWORDS: airforceone; clifton; conspiracy; godsgravesglyphs; jfkassasination; kennedyassassination
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1 posted on 11/15/2011 7:31:54 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

This Just In......Oswald Still Acted Alone.


2 posted on 11/15/2011 7:33:22 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: dfwgator
This Just In......Oswald Still Acted Alone.

But despite the overwhelming evidence that he did act alone, the conspiracy nuts will never accept it.
3 posted on 11/15/2011 7:35:40 PM PST by Signalman
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To: dfwgator

This just in ... Oswald didn’t act alone.


4 posted on 11/15/2011 7:36:24 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: smokingfrog

A tiger got him.


5 posted on 11/15/2011 7:36:45 PM PST by Ramius (personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Signalman
But despite the overwhelming evidence that he did act alone, the conspiracy nuts will never accept it.

Just like the (Screw) Loose Change whackos.

6 posted on 11/15/2011 7:37:17 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: smokingfrog; All

still the most dramatic audio of the shooting:

http://www.jfk-assassination.de/media/audio/shooting-tsbd.mp3

from:

http://www.jfk-assassination.de/media/audio/radio.php


7 posted on 11/15/2011 7:41:41 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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To: Signalman

I’m convinced after reading about his entire life, and hearing his older brother say how he has no doubt Lee Harvey did it alone. It’s still an amazing sequence of events, though.


8 posted on 11/15/2011 7:44:40 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: smokingfrog

“The original tape was long thought to be lost or destroyed. “

Maybe it was.


9 posted on 11/15/2011 7:47:14 PM PST by DBrow
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To: smokingfrog

...Bump for later.


10 posted on 11/15/2011 7:49:11 PM PST by gargoyle (...it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...)
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To: doc1019

“This just in ... Oswald didn’t act alone.”

That line’s been coming since Mark Lane wrote Rush to Judgment in 1966. In other words, JFK conspiracy nuts have been proving there’s a sucker born every minute for 45 years now.


11 posted on 11/15/2011 8:13:20 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

I’m one of those freaks that has read every book ever written about the JFK assassination, own most (273 at last count). And I believe Oswald’s statement that he was just a “patsy”.


12 posted on 11/15/2011 8:15:49 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: Moonman62
I’m convinced after reading about his entire life, and hearing his older brother say how he has no doubt Lee Harvey did it alone.

I think you mean his younger brother.

13 posted on 11/15/2011 8:16:34 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree ("Nanny Care State" is not a Division 3 football powerhouse.)
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To: doc1019

Better read them again. There is zero, and I mean zero, evidence that anyone other than Oswald did it.


14 posted on 11/15/2011 8:23:17 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: smokingfrog

Nov. 22 coming up soon for the loons.


15 posted on 11/15/2011 8:24:43 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Hang in there Herman, conservatives love you!)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

When you have read as much about the JFK assassination as I have, come back and talk to me. We will have a meaningful discussion.


16 posted on 11/15/2011 8:25:07 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: Signalman

One beautiful thing about being a conspiracy believer is you can never be proven wrong. The other is, powerful evil conspirators running the world or the country, or even a city give people excuses for their own perceived shortcomings. As you can imagine, the affliction is more common in liberals than in conservatives.


17 posted on 11/15/2011 8:26:40 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (.....The days are long but the years are short.....)
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To: Moonman62

Using a scoped, bolt action 30-06, I once shot from a tree stand four times at a deer running through brush directly away from me. The first shot was probably at 75yds and the last at 125yds. I hit him twice. So, I have no doubt that Oswald firing from a prepared rest at an essentially stationary JFK could have made those shots.


18 posted on 11/15/2011 8:29:57 PM PST by fso301
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To: dfwgator
Arlen Spector's magic bullet still doesn't pass the giggle test.

It passed through President Kennedy’s neck and Governor Connallys chest and wrist and embedded itself in the Governor’s thigh....

This this bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, 7 layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of tissue, struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone. - Its copper jacket was completely intact -...

19 posted on 11/15/2011 8:31:27 PM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
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To: doc1019

I bet you and I could have more than one interesting discussion. Remember Carroll Journegan (sp?). I used to hang out with him in the 70’s. At his house. A few hundred yards from Oswald’s grave at Rose Hill. He was either crazy, or playing crazy to stay alive. He did tell some...interesting tales.

Weeee-EEEE—OOOOoooo....

I don’t believe any of the conspiracy theories I’ve read however.


20 posted on 11/15/2011 8:32:54 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (.....The days are long but the years are short.....)
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To: doc1019
I have read Rush to Judgment, Best Evidence, Conspiracy of One, Case Closed, Crossfire, Six Seconds in Dallas, The Killing of a President, High Treason, Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald, and who knows how many more I've forgotten over the years. I've attended lectures and watched the Men Who Killed Kennedy, Executive Action, and other films and videos.

You shouldn't have to read 271 books to realize that all the conspiracy books are all rehashing the same old lies, rumors, and misrepresentations.

I repeat, there is ZERO evidence that anyone other than Oswald did the deed.

21 posted on 11/15/2011 8:33:52 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: doc1019

And I thought my paltry 19, or so, books on the JFK assassination put me in as a freak! You have quite the collection!!


22 posted on 11/15/2011 8:41:59 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Sad, so very sad that in all the exposure to the truth, you fail to see it.


23 posted on 11/15/2011 8:46:40 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: bobby.223

And growing.


24 posted on 11/15/2011 8:47:41 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: doc1019

So give me some facts. Anything. One thing.


25 posted on 11/15/2011 8:48:51 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: God luvs America

Thanks, never heard that before.


26 posted on 11/15/2011 8:50:06 PM PST by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Read more, grasshopper.


27 posted on 11/15/2011 8:51:07 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: doc1019

I didn’t think you could come up with anything.


28 posted on 11/15/2011 8:51:45 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Read more, grasshopper.


29 posted on 11/15/2011 8:52:58 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
From Wiki:
Oswald was born in New Orleans on October 18, 1939,[1] to Robert Edward Lee Oswald, Sr. (New Orleans, Louisiana, March 4, 1896 – New Orleans, August 19, 1939) and Marguerite Frances Claverie (New Orleans, Louisiana, July 19, 1907 – Fort Worth, Texas, January 17, 1981). Oswald had two older siblings – brother Robert Edward Lee Oswald, Jr. and half-brother John Edward Pic.

30 posted on 11/15/2011 8:53:36 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: doc1019

You write, I’ll read.


31 posted on 11/15/2011 8:54:17 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: smokingfrog
Only in Texas can a United States President be killed, followed by the murder of the assassin, while in police custody.
32 posted on 11/15/2011 8:58:32 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SoCal Pubbie; doc1019
...There is zero, and I mean zero, evidence

...Really? I've been to Dallas and seen the "Snipers Nest" and it's really accurate because Oswald's not in it.

33 posted on 11/15/2011 9:01:24 PM PST by gargoyle (...it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...)
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To: gargoyle

Yeah I’ve been there too. Of course JFK wasn’t in the Plaza either, so he never got shot!


34 posted on 11/15/2011 9:04:17 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: dfwgator
This Just In......Oswald Still Acted Alone.

LOL! Yeah, and Oswald still shot him from behind.


35 posted on 11/15/2011 9:04:54 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: gargoyle

I gave up long ago arguing with those that have read “several” books on the JFK assassination. I have read over 273 books on the subject and my conclusion is that Oswald was not the shooter. Just my educated opinion.


36 posted on 11/15/2011 9:10:07 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: doc1019

Yet you cannot list a single fact that leads you to that conclusion.


37 posted on 11/15/2011 9:20:40 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Lancey Howard
The forward motion of the projectile was forceful enough to cause the President's head to bounce back, giving the impression the shot came from in front of the motorcade. Impact on the Governor was nearly simultaneous, but with less force.
38 posted on 11/15/2011 9:21:45 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Fact one: Kennedy was hit in the lower posterior neck with a round from Oswalds weapon. His arms involuntarily raising from the nerve damage and muscle spasm. He was also moving foreward from the impact and energy transfer from Oswalts bullet. (Shot from behind)

Fact two: Kennedy was hit in the right front forehead over the right eye by another shot from his right front (a second shooter) and fell back into Jackies lap (Shot from the front) You can see the blood spray from the hit in his forehead. Bullets do not make u turns. This can be clearly seen on the Zebruder (sp) film.


39 posted on 11/15/2011 9:22:19 PM PST by coincheck (Time is Short, Salvation is for Today)
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To: stylin19a
thank you...
40 posted on 11/15/2011 9:25:13 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: coincheck

Wrong. All entrance wounds are located in the back side of JFK’s body. Exit wounds are in front. All forensic evidence shows this to be the case.

The blood spray, as you state, comes from the front of JFK’s head. This of course is evidence of a rear entry since the explosive force of impact flows out though the exit, not back toward the entrance.

Furthermore, the oblong wound in Connally’s back is proof the bullet was tumbling, after hitting JFK, thus validating the single bullet theory.


41 posted on 11/15/2011 9:30:42 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Oh yeah... that was the “magic bullet”.


42 posted on 11/15/2011 9:32:14 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Signalman

I have read many books over the years about the different theories, and in the past few years have watched several documentaries about it and some were pretty interesting but none convinced me there was a conspiracy.

My dad was absolutely convinced that LBJ was behind it, not sure why he thought that, dad was a died in the wool democrat but never trusted LBJ.


43 posted on 11/15/2011 9:33:03 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Lancey Howard

What I mean is, it forced the Presidents head forward so far and fast his chin bounced off his chest. I would not expect that kind of head motion merely by virtue of entry and exit. His head makes a forward motion before it makes a rearward motion. That’s all.


44 posted on 11/15/2011 9:37:01 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: coincheck
The Zapruder film was not running fast enough to catch the moment of impact by projectile causing massive tissue loss. The gist of the film points toward shot from the rear. Flash of exploding tissue mass moves toward front of vehicle, not rear. It is easy to see how one would interpret the shot as coming from the front, however. I don't care to get into a pissing match with folks who believe otherwise. All my reading of conspiracy theories has left me largely unconvinced.
45 posted on 11/15/2011 9:45:14 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

How do you feel about the Torbitt document?


46 posted on 11/15/2011 9:50:00 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: nolongerademocrat

The same way I feel about all conspiracy ghouls. They should be on Art Bell’s show, not FreeRepublic!


47 posted on 11/15/2011 10:13:02 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Interesting.


48 posted on 11/15/2011 10:23:25 PM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: smokingfrog

The bits and pieces I heard of these tapes told me nothing.


49 posted on 11/15/2011 10:38:51 PM PST by berdie
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To: smokingfrog

I’m from Dallas and grew up around all this. A few years ago, our Skeptics group sponsored a talk by the doctor from Parkland who was actually on duty and worked on JFK when he was rushed into the ER. He brought along his own photos from that time, told us everything that happened minute by minute, and answered all questions to try to clear up exactly what occurred from the expert perspective of a highly qualified surgeon who was actually standing there working on JFK.

After the talk, I went to the men’s room. There were two guys in there at the urinals I’d never seen at any Skeptics meeting before. They were both scoffing about how that doctor was either a fool or a tool, because he didn’t know what he was talking about.

Yes, how could he possibly know more about it than they did? It’s not like he was actually there. Oh, wait: HE WAS!!!

Again proving, nothing dents the beliefs of a conspiracy nut. Exculpatory evidence is merely absorbed into the narrative and becomes a new branch of the conspiracy.


50 posted on 11/15/2011 10:50:40 PM PST by HHFi
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