Posted on 11/26/2011 10:42:00 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
One of the best ways to destroy American military capabilities would be to convince career military personnel -- both officers and enlisted -- that their commitment to service will not be rewarded with the retirement benefits they have earned by their faithful obedience to orders, no matter the personal cost or risks they endure. The Obama administration seems to be ready to destroy the belief that service will be rewarded as faithfully as duty was performed, one step at a time.
The latest step in that direction is the announcement that 157 Air Force majors will be terminated prior to retirement, without the opportunity to complete the 20 full years of service necessary to qualify for retirement pay. Caroline May of the Daily Caller writes:
The Chapman University of Military Law and its associated AMVETS Legal Clinic are blowing the whistle on what they say is an injustice set to be perpetrated on 157 Air Force majors on the last day of November.
"The Obama administration has ordered massive reductions in forces, resulting in many officers who are near retirement being involuntarily separated without retirement or medical benefits," explained institute director...
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Yep, I’m not talking about the 344th Tactical Postal Squadron.
Yep, I’m not talking about the 344th Tactical Postal Squadron.
There's no such thing. There are Security Forces Squadrons, Mission Support Squadrons, Logistics Support Squadrons, Civil Engineering Squadrons, Communications Squadrons, Maintenance Squadrons and various others that often have Majors as commanders.
So, your point about the relative ease of making O-5 in the Air Force is gone.
I'll tell you this much, every O-3 and O-4 that was hit with the is RIF has at least a Bachelors Degree. You can't say that for the Navy though, can you?
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I used 1/2 milk and added some clover honey
Time crept well past midnight here
I hope the DELL Techline is not in Inja!
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My point is that in the Air Force the average fighter squadron has three times as many planes as a Navy squadron and is commanded by an O-6. The Navy unit is commanded by an O-5 and there are six-seven Navy squadrons in an Air Wing where you run into the first two O-6s.
As far as bachelor's degrees go, line officers all have degrees except for a small number of naval aviation cadets that have to get their degrees before they make O-4. We do have some limited duty officers that are brought up from the enlisted ranks for their technical expertise, but the vast majority of them have degrees.
Air Force fighter squadrons are commanded by O-5s. Where are you getting your info?
Good, there are too many of those Ass H(&^$ around. We probably could run the entire Air Force without one Major.
I was making fun of the Air Force naming convention, lighten up.Right, 'cuz it is way funnier than COMNAVAIRFUDGEPAC.
OMG , this is major
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Did Major Major make the cut?
They can’t promote him as it would make a new rank.
Before being in Special Forces, my son was in the 82nd Airborne in Gulf War I. I asked him what kind of guys were in that kind of unit. He said about one third crazies, 1/3 guys who liked adventure (his category), and 1/3 getting their ticket punched. Which I gather means serving somewhere dangerous/interesting to prepare for higher command. USNB—I guess my son is OK, he has been promoted to several levels of Sergeant, and I think they asked him if he would like to do Officers Candidate School. I think he said no because he is not tempermentally very diplomatic. Mostly says what he believes whether it is what you want to hear or not. After GWI he finished 4 years and went civilian, but was not happy with his job prospects. I asked him what was wrong, and he said, “You know mom, I like to get up at 6 am and run 5 miles.” So most civilian jobs were not his cup of tea. Eventually his Reserve commander coaxed him into reenlisting.
two nephews went to West Point.
One got out as soon as he’d finished his obligation.
The other got out after his 4 boys were born.
Just tired of getting jerked around.
One now a lawyer the other got his MBA from Gerogetown and works for IBM.
Both real smart boys who could do better in private business.
Wouldn’t matter if the tech phone was next door - for me. I just got back from Office Depot, checking on my undelivered computer desk! Had to go in person.
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Setup may be tough
Desk is (still) MIA?
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[Desk is (still) MIA?]
Lol, devolve, that’s what ‘undelivered’ meant. Eighteen days late! Maybe too much of that nutty ‘ChockFulla’?? snicker.
I’ll pay to have it assembled, it’s complicated.
I think we may find that the RIFs may contain a low percentage of Obama-supporters, clearing the way for more Obama-supporters to make O-5 when the budget crises ends.
The long-range plan is to have the military be the next target of Gramsci's “long march through the institutions”. Ending the gay-ban is part of this as well.
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That assembled tall kitchen/whatever hutch I bought for a bargain price had been drilled for the back panel off-square
I had to remove the complete rear panel and square up the hutch by getting the diagonal measurements exactly equal - it took a while to do
Those unassembled units can often be above the purchaser’s experience and/or skills
I recall turning down several people that expected it was a simple fix after gave up or messed up the assembly “assembles in minutes with simple hand tools”
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We put together the one I am using now, they can take some time and lots of crawling around on the floor, lol. My grandaughter said she would do it but I prefer to hire a person who is used to doing it, and I can complain if it isn’t done right later on.
I’m sure you put some work into what you did.
FR is running very slow for me but it could be my computer??
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MSN had a few hiccups yesterday too - in addition to the FR problemos
FR seems to be OK for me today
I recall when it was causing reall problemos for me a few years ago until I deleted all of my cookies
Glad that appears to be solved
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Glad you aren’t having problems, it might be my computer but yesterday I could move around pretty fast to read threads. Posting is very slow for me.
Funny, I never go to MSN at all!
1. The government needs to have the ability to lay off any workers/staff when necessary, close to retirement or not.
Disagree. If that is the case, then any company, whether public or private, can just wait until every older employee reaches 58 or 59 (or 63-64, depending on the retirement age, and can their employee, thus screwing them all out of their benefits. Why not, if they can all get away with it? Never have to pay out benefits packages, just can the employee. And believe me, there are enough rat bosses out there to do it. Hope you are already retired, so that you don’t look unemployment in the eye, leaving you with no money in your dotage.
“This is not new by a long shot. If it was up to you, we would still have over 600k. Each service was made huge by Reagan and immediately when Bush I came into office he started cutting and it has not stopped.”
Then can them when they are younger and can start over in a new career. Not when they are a few years away from retirement. And the way the military is set up, you’ll be left holding the financial empty bag. Feel very lucky it didn’t happen to you, tough guy, or I suspect you’d be singing a very different song.
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