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Multiple News Developments on E-Cat, LENR
Independent ECat News ^ | November 25-26 , 2011 | Various

Posted on 11/26/2011 12:58:45 PM PST by Kevmo









Andrea Rossi Replies to Brian Josephson
26 novembre 2011
By Cold Fusion News
Andrea Rossi has replied to Nobel Prize winning Cambridge Physicist Brian Josephson’s demands for a scientific test of the e-cat cold fusion device. Josephson made an appeal to Rossi to have his device formally evaluated by scientists through the Ita...

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Rossi Declines Italian and U.S. Government Testing Offers
26 novembre 2011
By New Energy Times

Andrea Rossi, inventor of the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat, has declined an offer from an Italian government laboratory for independent testing of his device. According to Francesco Celani, a physicist with the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics in Frascati, Rossi … Continue reading →

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Hydrofusion 1 MW E-Cat Sales Brochure
26 novembre 2011
By E-Cat World
Hydrofusion, the UK-based company which has been given the rights by Leonardo Corporation to resell E-Cat products in Northern Europe has published a sales brochure marketing the 1 MW E-Cat plant. It provides an overview of the 1 MW plant and quotes fr...

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Pick Up An eCat Brochure
26 novembre 2011
By Free Energy Truth

Bored with all the normal Christmas catalogues filled with iPods, iPads, DVD's and electrical items? Then flick through a 1MW Cold Fusion brochure instead.Produced by Hydrofusion - the same company responsible for ecat.com. Not sure about ...

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Open Letter To Us Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.
26 novembre 2011
By Rossi and Focardi Cold Fusion News
Mr. Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of the United States. I have an urgent message for you that will affect the future of our country and the rest of the world. First, let me thank you for the hard work you do fighting organized crime. That is an...

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COMMUNITY COMMENT: Cold fusion gains steam in Italy – Evansville Courier & Press
26 novembre 2011
By admin
COMMUNITY COMMENT: Cold fusion gains steam in ItalyEvansville Courier & PressRossi introduced his E-cat (short for energy catalyzer) device in January as a tabletop device with an output capacity of about 10000 watts. Many scientists were skeptical of ...

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Reviewing DoD Interest in Cold Fusion
26 novembre 2011
By Cold Fusion Now

The majority of cold fusion research has been done by self-funded independent scientists. Yet several federal entities and independent companies have found the results of experiments convincing enough to provide some small-scale funding to a select few labs. Department of Defense agencies that have provided funding, confirmed results, or positively-reviewed cold fusion research include: Naval

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Hampus Ericsson Report on Kullander Lecture at Uppsala
26 novembre 2011
By New Energy Times

On Nov. 23, professor Sven Kullander of Uppsala University gave a public lecture, primarily on the energy claims of Andrea Rossi. Rossi has claimed that Kullander has confirmed his claim. This is an inconsistency, as is apparent from Kullander’s lecture. … Continue reading →

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Thermoelectric eCat Within A Year
25 novembre 2011
By Ecatnews.com
Categories: Media/Blogs, products, Rossi
Tags:
Home, Thermoelectric
OK, so we don’t yet know for certain this thing is real so stroking our thermoelectric eCat before it’s born may seem premature. Nevertheless, that is AR’s expressed hope – one most of us share. Here is to optimism rewarded! I want to shout from the rooftop that things are moving faster than we could (
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eCat 10,000 Target ‘Close’ Says Rossi – Updated
25 novembre 2011
By Ecatnews.com
Categories: Media/Blogs, products
Tags:
10kW, List
Hopefully, with the help of our Italian friends, we will get to learn what this means: Dario November 25th, 2011 at 1:44 PM Egregio Ing. Rossi, mi scusi, ma sono troppo curioso ! A quanto e’ arrivata la lista dei 10.000 ? P.S. Se in 1.000 hanno fatto l’Italia, in 10.000 si puo’ fare la (
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Kullander, McKubre Discuss e-Cat
25 novembre 2011
By e-Cat Site

Prof. Sven Kullander and Dr. Michael McKubre have both recently given lectures that include a discussion of Andrea Rossi’s energy catalyzer. I say include because both lectures were comprehensive discussions of other issues and both provided a ...

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1MW eCat Brochure
25 novembre 2011
By Ecatnews.com
Categories: products, Uncategorized
Tags:
Brochure, Hydrofusion, Norway
I’m sure the following statement will cause a stir: This phenomenon has been recognized by the scientific community for decades, but only now has one managed to generate energy continuously, stable and with an output of several kilowatts. Rossi’s E-Cat will go down in history as the solution to the global “energy problem” with a (
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ECat Report On Sven Kullander’s Lecture
25 novembre 2011
By ECAT Report
An Ecat lecture was conducted a couple of days ago in front of a hundred people at Uppsala University in Sweden. The lecturer, Professor Emeritus of High Energy Physics Sven Kullander, talked about how the world could drastically change if Rossi’s cl...

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Sven Kullander Talk: Rossi Is The Genuine Article
25 novembre 2011
By Free Energy Truth

A Person Named Hampus Ericsson Has Made a Short, Informal Report of What Happened On The Unofficial Andrea Rossi Facebook Group Page:http://www.facebook.com/EnergyCatalyzerThe text contains grammatical and spelling errors, but is faithfully produced."I...

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Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat
25 novembre 2011
By E-Cat World
Andrea Rossi has recently reported making a significant breakthrough in producing electricity from the E-Cat, something that had been a challenge for him for a long time. Rossi mentioned this breakthrough in the Tom and Doug show interview earlier this...

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Rossi Appoints eCat.com As Official eCat Site
25 novembre 2011
By Ecatnews.com
Categories: Business
Tags:
ecat.com, Hydrofusion, official
This appeared on eCat.com: ECAT.com appointed Andrea Rossi’s Official ECAT Website Today, in a mutual agreement with Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation, ECAT.com has been appointed the Official ECAT Website. Hydro Fusion is truly honored by Andrea Rossi’s request to appoint its domain ECAT.com as the Official ECAT Website of Andrea Rossi, Leonardo Corporation and (
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Mike McKubre: Cold Fusion From Pons & Fleischmann To Rossi’s eCat
25 novembre 2011
By Ecatnews.com
Categories: History, Media/Blogs, Piantelli, Politics, Rossi, Videos
Tags:
Cold Fusion, McKubre, SRI
Mike McKubre recently gave a brilliant talk overviewing a good chunk of the cold fusion/LENR situation. I will comment after digesting them. What Happened to Cold Fusion? (eight parts, total: 102 min) ======================= SRI Mike McKubre’s Presentation at Cafe Scientifique Silicon Valley (1/8) Major Segments (2/8) Department of Energy Reference (3/8) Necessary but Not (
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ECAT.com appointed Andrea Rossi’s Official ECAT Website
25 novembre 2011
By ecat.com
Today, in a mutual agreement with Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation, ECAT.com has been appointed the Official ECAT Website. Hydro Fusion is truly honored by Andrea Rossi’s request to appoint its domain ECAT.com as the Official ECAT Website of And...

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Fusione fredda? Macché, è bollente!
25 novembre 2011
By admin
Nel video allegato il prof. Focardi parla dell'e-cat, il reattore, o meglio, il catalizzatore messo a punto dall'ing. Andrea Rossi con la consulenza di Focardi stesso. L'invenzione è vista con notevole scetticismo dalla comunià scientifica per via de...

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I Fooled Defkalion Says Andrea Rossi
24 novembre 2011
By Ecatnews.com
Categories: Business, Defkalion, Rossi
Tags:
Lies, strategy, Tests
Not sure what to make of this. Talking of Defkalion, Andrea Rossi says that he led the company a false trail. They took the bait, thinking that he would be selling small eCats in October. In doing so, it wrong-footed them and upset their plans to present a fake version of the same. As we (
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: bad; cmns; coldfusion; default; ecat; lenr; tuco; ugly
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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

1 posted on 11/26/2011 12:58:50 PM PST by Kevmo
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2 posted on 11/26/2011 12:59:39 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Reasons to doubt Rossi

Technical

Business


3 posted on 11/26/2011 1:05:04 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo
Huggy Bear isn't too happy to see you pimpin...


4 posted on 11/26/2011 1:10:05 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
In a similar vein here's the Entabulator


5 posted on 11/26/2011 1:16:56 PM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: Kevmo

I see you haven’t removed numbers 7 and 8 in your cut-and-paste, even after other posters have shown you the proof that these are not arm’s-length transactions.

Yet again, Kevmo refuses to let the truth get in the way of his cheer leading.


6 posted on 11/26/2011 1:20:24 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Johnny B.
How dare you let those pesky facts get in the way of a Rossi love fest?

Compare this:

Open Letter To Us Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.

To:

People of the World:

IT IS DONE!

Today, the Newman Motor/Generator weighing 7,500-lbs showed 11,400% EFFICIENCY!

At first, the one thing Rossi had going for him was that he didn't sound like free energy quack, Joseph Newman. I should have know just to give him time. I'm sure the appeals to G_d are coming soon...

Is he one step away from asking for my tax money? OK then, this can't possibly be a scam???

Newman has kept his scam going since the '80s, let's see how long Rossi goes for...

7 posted on 11/26/2011 1:21:37 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Johnny B.

Reasons to doubt Rossi
***There are plenty. That’s why I focus on the people who have investigated this and what their conclusions were. Guys like Levi, Kullander, etc. There are not so many reasons to doubt them.


8 posted on 11/26/2011 1:22:31 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: dinodino

Yup, secret is out. BS meter broke from overuse


9 posted on 11/26/2011 1:22:41 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: preacher
I love it, it sounds more real than the B.S. the rah rah Rossi supporters produce.

Where can I get one, the Entabulator that is?

10 posted on 11/26/2011 1:24:23 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
Mr. Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General of the United States. I have an urgent message for you that will affect the future of our country and the rest of the world. First, let me thank you for the hard work you do fighting organized crime.

Eric Holder supplies weapons for organized crime.

More evidence that Rossi has a screw loose.

11 posted on 11/26/2011 1:30:13 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: dinodino

It’s a quote. I’ll keep it a full quote for now.

Is that all you can tear apart, points 7 and 8? All that conspiracy theorizing doesn’t get you much.

For the time being, you have a way to bump these threads with something other than “it’s a fraud! Squawk!”


12 posted on 11/26/2011 1:31:39 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Rossi responded to NASA on July 22 and told them that they could test his device if they paid him $15 million.

I can't believe NASA didn't pay Rossi $15 million to test his rusty pot boiler.

13 posted on 11/26/2011 1:34:04 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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14 posted on 11/26/2011 1:35:23 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Guys like Levi, Kullander, etc. There are not so many reasons to doubt them.

Levi was listed as an employee of Rossi's company by Sterling Allan.

15 posted on 11/26/2011 1:35:54 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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16 posted on 11/26/2011 1:36:32 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Lx
I notice that one thing obvious nutjob Joseph Newman has going for him is the high-ranking NASA scientist Robert E. Smith.
"If the manner in which Joseph Newman conducted his experiments and the results were made known to the industrial or engineering community then, in my opinion, several companies and/or individuals possess the expertise and capabilities to construct the hardware required to fully exploit the apparent capability of his new concepts."

--- Dr. Robert E. Smith, Chief, Orbital and Space Environment Branch George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, NASA

I did a quick check just to make sure and there is, indeed, a high-ranking scientist from NASA with that name:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19830010545_1983010545.pdf

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19830019790_1983019790.pdf

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19940031668_1994031668.pdf

So, I guess we should believe Joseph Newman as well.

17 posted on 11/26/2011 1:36:54 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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18 posted on 11/26/2011 1:37:18 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Obviously its a conspiracy of Rossi’s twenty-year record of fraud and falsification.

Rossi has the scam artist flowchart mounted above his bed, complete with checkmarks.


19 posted on 11/26/2011 1:38:13 PM PST by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: Kevmo; Moonman62
Are you really that afraid of Moonman62?

Did you like take a lot of steroids and now a pair of some vital equipment isn't functioning?

Well, it didn't stop Arnold. I give you credit for posting even with your handicap.

20 posted on 11/26/2011 1:41:08 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

He proved himself to be a troll. Everyone has their limits. You are pretty close to mine. Maybe you should post things with a bit more substance.


“Do not post to me” Free Republic ^ | 8/28/07 | Admin Moderator Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:47:37 PM by Admin Moderator http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1888013/posts

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21 posted on 11/26/2011 1:44:57 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.
Yeppers, I've been following Newman's antics for years. That's why it amuses me when folks beat the LENR drum when some of us have been following this stuff for many years. Please note I didn't say believe.

Does anyone remember the fish carburetor?

I've got two words to say to Newman, power factor.

22 posted on 11/26/2011 1:46:12 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo; All
Ahh folks here is the important part of the jaw flap:

“Andrea Rossi Working with Domenico Fioravanti on Electrical Power from E-Cat
25 novembre 2011
By E-Cat World
Andrea Rossi has recently reported making a significant breakthrough in producing electricity from the E-Cat, something that had been a challenge for him for a long time. Rossi mentioned this breakthrough in the Tom and Doug show interview earlier this...”

Hopefully the “breakthrough” was going to Internet and looking at all the steam turbine devices available with proved technology.

Helical gear generators are very efficient and can use waste heat from many sources.

The BREAKTHROUGH has already been made by someone else.

23 posted on 11/26/2011 1:47:35 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo
Just more blogs, rumors, and other nonsense posted as "news".


24 posted on 11/26/2011 1:48:14 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Kevmo
Exactly what was the point of your link? It sounded like the Admin Moderator was tired of whiners saying, mommy, stop that mean poster from posting to me but let me post the most outlandish things without consequence. Pathetic.

You won't stop responding to me, you see, I know you.

25 posted on 11/26/2011 1:49:29 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo said:
Is that all you can tear apart, points 7 and 8? All that conspiracy theorizing doesn’t get you much.
Here's a more complete list...
Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
They're called "Shills" and they are a typical part of any big scam. Notice that after almost a month, there is still no evidence at all that Rossi's mysterious "NATO Colenel" actually exists.
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
Again, not at all unusual for a big scam. STEORN has been doing this for over a decade. TILLEY and PRIEST kept their scams going for more than five years each.
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

Scientists are often the easiest to fool. They assume that everyone involved is telling the truth. They assume that any falsehoods will be uncovered when the experiments are replicated by independent researchers. Unfortunately, Rossi won't allow that, so all they have is Rossi's word.

Notice that Rossi refuses to share, even with his associates listed above, how the E-Cat works, how it is made and what nuclear reactions may or may not be occurring within. Levi wrote a paper where he speculated about what might be going on, but his paper doesn't match what little actual evidence Rossi has produced.

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
Whether "cold fusion" really exists is an entirely separate issue from whether or not Rossi is a con artist. They both could be true. After all, the fact that electric cars are real didn't prevent TILLEY from creating an elaborate, multi-year fraud around his phoney electric car.

NASA stated that Rossi had not proven his device is producing excess energy. [LINK]

SPAWAR has denied that they had, or were considering purchasing an E-Cat [LINK]

There isn't any actual evidence that either The Defense Threat Reduction Agency or The Defense Intelligence Agency have had anything to do with Rossi. Both are nothing more than rumors spread by Rossi's partner, Sterling D. Allan.

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
Note that both Defkalion and AmpEnergo were created specifically to hype Rossi's claims. Also note that you can't show any evidence AmpErengo has actually paid Rossi anything.
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]
There is no evidence that there was a "genuine" customer at the October 28th dog & pony show. There is no evidence that the mysterious "NATO Colonel" who supposedly ran the test for the "secret customer" actually exists. In spite of the massive amount of research being done on this story, no one has found even one reference to this man other than Rossi's claim. It's incredible that a NATO Colonel and professional engineer wouldn't leave any trace of himself anywhere. No professional organizations, no newpaper stories about his being promoted in NATO, no nothing.

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out
Rossi has tightly controlled every aspect of the dog & pony shows he has performed. Your friend, Jed Rothwell, turned down an invitation to attend a Rossi performance because Rossi wouldn't allow him to bring his own test equipment.

Interestingly, the one test that was supposedly performed to "silence the skeptics" (Febuary, 2011), had no outside observers at all, and Rossi never produced the actual data from that test. Performing a secret test and refusing to even release the raw data from that test is hardly a way to convince the skeptics.

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
No one has ever accused Rossi of being an idiot. There's no question that he's very smart. The question is whether he's used his intelligence to create a wonderful new invention, or just a new variation on the typical con job.

You choose to believe Rossi, even knowing that he's lying about at least some of his claims. I choose not to believe Rossi, for exactly the same reason.

26 posted on 11/26/2011 1:52:19 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Well, that’s better than just focusing on points 7 & 8. But I haven’t read it in a while, remembering that I wasn’t all that impressed when you put it up for the first time.

Now you have a way to bump these threads. You’re welcome.


27 posted on 11/26/2011 1:54:06 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
But I haven’t read it in a while, remembering that I wasn’t all that impressed when you put it up for the first time.
I don't care whether you're "impressed" or not. I just want to make sure the casual readers get both sides of the story.

You're welcome.

28 posted on 11/26/2011 1:57:33 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

. I just want to make sure the casual readers get both sides of the story.
***Sounds good to me.

Of course, your seagull compadre moonboy would say that by posting to lurkers, they are your “imaginary friends”. But the criticism is never levelled at folks on your side, I notice.


29 posted on 11/26/2011 2:08:56 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: preacher
In a similar vein here's the Entabulator
Holy cow! Do you realize that this has been around since 1942!

LINK

30 posted on 11/26/2011 2:09:30 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Anyone who thinks Independent Ecat news is independent, just look at this:

Rossi one sided news... Quotes:

Rossi made a very intelligent reply and noted that a complete scientific examination of his device will be carried out by his alma matter prestigious University of Bologna.

Now, I used Wiki as the source so it could be wrong or is this more puffery of his C.V?
His bio says he went to the University in Milano, so how is the University of Bologna his alma matter?

Rossi’s point is legitimate here it would be completely irrational for him to let Celani take a look at his designs etc. and then copy them.

All Rossi has to do is have someone witness the test, what can they learn unless they take it apart? I'll answer that, they would learn that it doesn't work.

Note the 30 years experienced customer Rossi is talking about could be the US military which he has had contracts with before.

Oh, I believe him...

31 posted on 11/26/2011 2:14:04 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Johnny B.

They just keep improving on it, the Entabulator must be the most tested device I’ve ever seen. Are they taking orders or are they waiting for ten thousand people to show interest?


32 posted on 11/26/2011 2:16:26 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

You won’t stop responding to me, you see, I know you.
***Like I said, I’ll give you the last word, since I’m done with you on this thread.


33 posted on 11/26/2011 2:18:27 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Of course, your seagull compadre moonboy would say that by posting to lurkers, they are your “imaginary friends”
Gee! I've never had any "imaginary friends" before. Kevmo, what's that like?

(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

34 posted on 11/26/2011 2:19:17 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: CodeToad

posted as “news”.
***No, posted as bloggers... so kindly get lost again.


35 posted on 11/26/2011 2:19:58 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
***Like I said, I’ll give you the last word, since I’m done with you on this thread.

Not only do I know you, I own you.

36 posted on 11/26/2011 2:20:49 PM PST by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Kevmo
You won’t stop responding to me, you see, I know you. ***Like I said, I’ll give you the last word, since I’m done with you on this thread.
Kevmo, the way to ignore someone is to ignore them.

Replying to each and every one of their posts isn't ignoring them.

37 posted on 11/26/2011 2:22:56 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo
I see that Rossi is calling Defkalion a liar, and claiming that they don't have their own working "cold fusion" device (which they are supposedly announcing next week):
Look to what is going on around the Balcans: there are clowns saying they have a technology copied from us, actually they have just a moke up, waiting for the piece of info they need to make a real copy. They believed we would have been selling in October the small E-Cats, so announced they would have made a demo in october ( buying a model, disguising it as a copy made by them). But it was just a trap we made. [LINK]
So, I guess Rossi is an unreliable business partner, since he seems to take delight in setting "traps" for them.

Calling them "clowns" is also a nice touch.

38 posted on 11/26/2011 2:28:57 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

I gave him the last word, he took it. Why are you focused on something that’s over & done with?


39 posted on 11/26/2011 2:39:07 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

I can’t figure out what’s going on with Defkalion. They claim to have technology and they’ll get it peer reviewed, so it’s worth waiting & seeing.

I’m rooting for LENR, not necessarily Rossi.


40 posted on 11/26/2011 2:41:51 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Actually, Moonman has just reported a thorough evisceration of your post. Will you edit it now, or will you continue to post lies? Show the world what you’re made of, Kevmo. Own it!


41 posted on 11/26/2011 2:44:33 PM PST by dinodino
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To: Kevmo
I gave him the last word, he took it. Why are you focused on something that’s over & done with?
You've posted that "My message was deleted, so I'm not talking to you any more" at least 20 times in recent threads.

Give it a rest!

42 posted on 11/26/2011 2:45:47 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: dinodino

I don’t read moonboy’s posts.


43 posted on 11/26/2011 2:47:41 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

It’s my standard ‘ignore button’ post to him. I don’t post it to him unless he posts to me.


44 posted on 11/26/2011 2:48:41 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Johnny B.

So, I guess Rossi is an unreliable business partner,
***Yes.

since he seems to take delight in setting “traps” for them.
***This is one of several indicators that there are turf wars building up around this technology. It’ll be a litigation nightmare. Only the lawyers win in that situation.


45 posted on 11/26/2011 2:51:08 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

The e-cat might be true if oil futures take a huge dump. I hope that e-cat is the real deal.


46 posted on 11/26/2011 2:53:31 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

Wouldn’t the converse be true? Once E-Cat is shown to be real, oil futures would take a dump...


47 posted on 11/26/2011 2:57:05 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

What I meant was that if the oil futures took a dump, it means the market believes in e-cat. (insiders getting out of oil early)


48 posted on 11/26/2011 2:58:30 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Kevmo
"Thermoelectric eCat Within A Year"

I think this is either a translation or reportage error. The small units are not planned to be "thermoelectric" (i.e. use semiconductor heat to electric conversion), but simply small genset systems using normal heat-to-mechanical-to-electrical.

49 posted on 11/26/2011 3:48:11 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Kevmo
It’s my standard ‘ignore button’ post to him. I don’t post it to him unless he posts to me.
Since you are the one posting almost all of these threads, you will, by default get any replies to the post.

If you want to ignore him, just ignore him.

50 posted on 11/26/2011 4:13:49 PM PST by Johnny B.
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