FEDERAL AGENTS DEMAND CUSTOMER LISTS FROM MORMON FOOD STORAGE FACILITY

Liberty News Online ^ | 12/9/11 | OathKeepers.org

[Kartographer]

Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Later Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.

This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:

“A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.

[Kartographer]

Can any fellow Freeper confirm this? I don't want to spread rumor.

[coloradan]

What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for? The store should have copied the credentials of the agent before taking any questions.

[Former Proud Canadian]

Just WOW.

[arderkrag]

What the @#$% does the federal gov’t want to know this for?

I'm imagining it has something to do with our government investigating the Mormons for one reason or another. They do so consistently. Child labor/underage marriage/polygamy and all that.

[Erik Latranyi]

A guy heard it from a veteran who heard it from a store owner........

Keep your powder dry guys.

[Designer]

"..government investigating the Mormons for one reason or another."

I see that you have not yet learned how to think like the enemy.

Forget "child marriage", etc. this is about Homeland Insecurity.

In the fevered minds of government bureaucrats, anyone who is hoarding food might be planning a violent overthrow of our government.

What with all the Mormons, Amish, and Lutherans, the government can't decide who to investigate first.

[Kartographer]

I did ask in the post if a FReeper could confirm this, but it seems you didn't read the article:

This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:

[JerseyHighlander]

I was under the impression based upon another article you posted that the Mormon canneries have stopped allowing non-Mormons to purchase from the canneries due to increased demand from the general public and wildly fluctuating commodities pricing in the last year and a half.

Do you remember that article?

[Kartographer]

My take on it is that the policy very. I know here I got one invite and I had to get a Saint to sponsor me. Always check with your local cannery and see what their policy is. I will say if it wasn’t for the assistance of some out of state Mormon friends I doubt if I would have managed the one invite.

[Calamari]

It is clear from the article that the problem is cash. The stuff just does not leave a trail. Do away with cash in the hands of the non-ruling class and the investigation is greatly simplified.

[JerseyHighlander]

Just did a bit of google search, the articles and info about closing non-members to the canneries got publicity in March, at that time I looked into the options in New Jersey and there aren’t any good options here in NJ.

[Notwithstanding]

Is this facility run by a church?
Is the work of the facility a religious endeavor?
Or is it commerce?
A church can engage in commerce, but then it has to follow the rules of commerce.
Selling food and supplies in bulk is commerce.
The government typically requires those engaged in commerce to keep records what is sold and to whom and at what price.

The government requires the local meat packing plant, and Nabisco and Sams Club to keep records of what is sold and to whom and at what price.

It seems these laws also apply to bulk sales of food, regardless of why the food is being sold.

As a minimum, revenue has to be tracked for IRS purposes, even if they sell one apple at a time.

Is the federal govt trying to enforce the law?
Has this facility been following the record keeping requirements?

1. Are you mad because the laws seem intrusive?
2. Are you mad because the laws are being enforced?
3. Are you mad because this facility is being singled out?
4. Are you mad because the law finally caught up with this facility?

Its hard to tell.

[PapaBear3625]

The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food.

Upon any such visit, the first question MUST be:

"Do you have a warrant signed by a judge? If not, please get off my property right now, before I call 911 and report a defiant trespass".

And you should call your attorney immediately and put him on speakerphone to talk to the agents.

[af_vet_rr]

Nobody knows what the intent was - they could be tracking a bad guy and he was doing business with this food storage or engaging in fraud or money laundering and they are trying to tie some things together.

I read the article, unfortunately, and the tin foil is immense.

The Costco and Sam's by my house probably do more business in a few days in bulk food sales than this cannery does in a week.

The article speculates that, and I quote:

1. DHS/FEMA wants to know which Americans have food storage so the federal government can at some future point confiscate that food. Just as with lists of gun owners, compiling such lists is the first step toward future confiscation.

This is so damn retarded I don't even know where to start. If they want to confiscate food, they aren't going to be knocking on our doors and asking for our 40 boxes of Macaroni or our 20 boxes of powdered milk. They will go to the distribution centers and confiscate those 18 wheelers you see on the road delivering food to Wal-Mart, Target, Safeway, Randalls, Piggly Wiggly.

This idea that they are tracking the bulk food purchases of individuals is retarded, because once the food leaves the facility, they have no idea whether it's going to be used up by a large family within two months or whether it's going to a church soup kitchen to be used up within two weeks.

They aren't going to waste their time piddling around with searching our pantries, they are going to go to the source of the food. They are going to go to Kellogs, Pilgrim's Pride, Borden, or to the distributors like Wal-Mart, Safeway, etc. It only takes one person to confiscate an 18 wheeler full of food. It would take a lot of agents and a lot of time trying to get an equivalent amount of food from individuals.

[PapaBear3625]

The government typically requires those engaged in commerce to keep records what is sold and to whom and at what price.

BS. I can go to my supermarket, load up a cart with stuff, pay cash, and they don't care who I am. This store is under no obligation to maintain records of who they sell to.

[theBuckwheat]

“... federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food...”

Happy to comply if you have a statutory authority and warrant. No? Sorry, have a nice day, and the door is thataway.

[Kartographer]

Seems to me they are the government the experts at time wasting.

But my thought is that they could be building a case to close such facilities.

[RoadGumby]

Wear your yoke easily FRiend. Keep thinking it is just about rules for your own good as that yoke clicks shut on your neck.

[Political Junkie Too]

I think you're right. It has to do with SHTF. Didn't a popular survival guide come from the Mormon Church?

-PJ

[meatloaf]

Did you check the one near Swedesboro?