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Hawaii Elections Clerk Tim Adams Says There is No Obama Birth Certificate from Hawaii
BBCW ^ | 3 March 2012 | Bungalow Bill

Posted on 03/03/2012 7:02:42 AM PST by Erik Latranyi

Just a day after Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Apaio presented proof the birth certificate presented by Barack Obama as proof he meets Constitutional eligibility to be president is a fraud, we have a story coming out of Hawaii that may provide problems for Obama.

Jerome Corsi writes:

Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

“During the course of my employment,” Adams swears in the affidavit (viewable in full as part 1 and part 2), “I became aware that many requests were being made to the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division, the Hawaii Office of Elections, and the Hawaii Department of Health from around the country to obtain a copy of then-Senator Barack Obama’s long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate.”

As he inquired about the birth certificate, he says, his supervisors told him that the records were not on file at the Hawaii Department of Health.

“Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health,” Adams’ affidavit reads, “and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government.”


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: arizona; birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; corsi; hawaii; joearpaio; kenyanbornmuzzie; naturalborncitizen; obama; sheriffjoe; timadams
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To: spawn44
Top ranking democrats knew this going into the elections

Sure they did. And so did Justice Robert - which is why he swore him in a second time.

51 posted on 03/03/2012 9:47:18 AM PST by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: Mr. K

All depends on what said BC had to say as to parentage etc.


52 posted on 03/03/2012 9:48:54 AM PST by Sea Parrot (You can't fix Stupid, but you can occasionally head it off before it hurts something. --Stephen Adam)
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To: Kevmo
This is not new, it's a retread. It has been posted and discussed in the past. This is "hearsay" evidence, and though I am not a lawyer, I do know that hearsay is not legally admissible. Further, an elections clerk would have no access to DOH birth certificates. Looking at this article it contains:
“We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi’olani,” Adams stressed. “Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there.”
This is a red flag, as neither hospital was allowed by federal HIPAA privacy law to disclose any such information. (Note that one does not need a birth certificate to register to vote, at least in any of the 3 states I've lived in.)

If Mr. Adams has proof there is no birth certificate, he should present it and we can all cheer. Otherwise, the official statements from Hawaii's governor and the Hawaii DOH trump "hey, I heard my bosses say this, but I'm not naming the bosses involved." You're being played, people.

53 posted on 03/03/2012 9:49:37 AM PST by sometime lurker
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To: stars & stripes forever; SunkenCiv
Prayers and secret-service or police protection for Erik Latranyi's continued good health. Witness protection program?

The man needs to be kept from any Chicago consequences.
54 posted on 03/03/2012 9:57:36 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Well if his birth date on the released birth certificate is wrong, we could be looking in all the wrong places. Makes sense that no school records, passports etc. are being released because it will show a different date of birth.


55 posted on 03/03/2012 10:01:13 AM PST by Guardian Sebastian
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To: Erik Latranyi

From the look of that scar, he appears to have been assembled.


56 posted on 03/03/2012 10:10:17 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Mamzelle

Why is one week missing from the National Archives of travelers into the country. That week being August 1961


57 posted on 03/03/2012 10:11:45 AM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Guardian Sebastian

Also, help me with my memory here, wasn’t Michelle somewhere else on his birthday this year. I always felt that was quite odd. May just be because it isn’t his real birth day?


58 posted on 03/03/2012 10:20:59 AM PST by Guardian Sebastian
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To: Figment

59 posted on 03/03/2012 10:35:10 AM PST by Mr. K (Were the Soviet-Era propogandists as gleefully willing as our Lame-stream Media?)
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To: .45 Long Colt

Dunham could have crossed into Canada for free health care and then returned to Seattle with little Barry in time for classes to start.
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She could have had the baby anywhere and just given a fake name and address ,, no way to track her down in 1961 .. ssn’s weren’t always had by teens and not having one wouldn’t have been a red flag... having family in Hawaii and knowing how loose (non-existant) their controls on birth certificates were made it a natural choice..


60 posted on 03/03/2012 11:37:44 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Erik Latranyi

He doesn’t name a single name. To bad he didn’t - we could then ask the election officials directly.


61 posted on 03/03/2012 11:40:02 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: Erik Latranyi
John Woodman: Self-employed and self-proclaimed computer expert whose youtube videos say that Obama's long form birth certificate is NOT a fake or forgery: What are his credentials?

I just recently saw his Obama birth certificate videos on youtube so I don't know much about him.

Is his Obama birth certificate conclusion and analysis that the certificate is NOT a fake accurate and believable? Thanks.

62 posted on 03/03/2012 12:17:28 PM PST by john mirse
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To: trebb
You ask a good question...if he was born in Seattle, why try so hard to prove that he was born in Hawaii, or rather, why try so hard NOT to prove it...

All along, little Barry has been nothing more than a story someone else made up. Breitbart used the term "narrative" quite often--because that was what was sold to us, the narrative. The son of a Kenyan scholar, yada yada...all these zombies went out and voted not for a man, but for a blurb on a book jacket.

Since all this secrecy invites speculation, I like best the scenario that Jack Cashill suggested...that Barry's not Stanley Ann Dunham's son at all. He's her brother. Barry's mom was a black Hawaiian prostitute pimped by Stanley Dunham's friend, Frank Marshall Davis. Barry's grandfather is really his dad.

If you look at the photos of the two of them, especially when Barry was little and Stanley was young, the resemblence is startling. He looks a lot more like his "grandfather" than his Kenyan "father."

This would explain why Ann so easily left Barry behind, because she felt sisterly towards him, not motherly. There is more to the story...how much Stanley wanted a son (named his daughter Stanley) and how Barry's grandmother seemed to die almost in secrecy.

There are a lot more interesting stories out there than the Kenyan one.

We don't need to show that he's not a US citizen.

All we have to do is prove that the narrative is a lie.

63 posted on 03/03/2012 1:18:17 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: .45 Long Colt

I believe the National Health Care act was passed in 1966.


64 posted on 03/03/2012 1:37:19 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Sigh...

Anything about a Pakistan travel ban in there too?


65 posted on 03/03/2012 2:32:45 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Kevmo

IIRC this guy DID come forward previously, but nobody paid attention when he spoke out.

Now, with a credible authority asking for and getting an affidavit and with a likely perp ID’d by that authority for forgery, perhaps Tim Adams can get some traction.


66 posted on 03/03/2012 3:15:41 PM PST by Sal (Soros owns ALL the 'Rats and the GO PEE (self appointed Establishment Elite)
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To: Mr. K

Seattle? LMAO!

Yeah. I agree. Remember, there were so many stories that have since been scrubbed that indicated he was born abroad.


67 posted on 03/03/2012 8:04:46 PM PST by CommieCutter
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To: Mamzelle

“How usual was it in 1961? How usual was flying on a plane in 1961, as a teen alone and with a mixed race infant?”

She wasn’t alone. SADO left the Nairobi Airport on a BOAC flight accompanied by a Christian missionary woman. The flight was: Nairobi - Edingurgh - Vancouver, B.C. (Canada).


68 posted on 03/03/2012 11:06:32 PM PST by SatinDoll (No Foreign Naionals as our President!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

This is actually an old story, which I thought had gone away after it was discovered he turned the whole thing into a hilariously-bad piece of gonzo journalism for his masters thesis.


69 posted on 03/04/2012 2:48:19 PM PST by Kleon
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To: Mamzelle

Obama’s mother started college in Seattle in August 1961 not the spring. It was actually less than 3 weeks from the supposed 4 August 1961 birth date. I have my own theory, Stanley Ann Dunham was pregnant and the reason the family moved to Hawaii in 1960. She was pregnant when she attended the University of Hawaii in the fall of 1960. She did not enroll for the Spring Semester at the University of Hawaii in 1960...has anyone asked why she did not enroll? In Jan 1961 She was not married to Barack Obama Sr and if recently impregnated by him she would have just discovered and would likely not prevented her from enrolling in the spring. It is a lot easier for her (1 month pregnant) to attend college when she is living at home with her parents in Hawaii than by herself(18 yr old) in Seattle with a 2 week old newborn. My guess is Obama was born Jan-Mar 1961, could have been in Hawaii of could have been in North America...have a hard time believing it was Kenya.


70 posted on 03/04/2012 3:34:33 PM PST by Paratrooper
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To: Mamzelle

Obama was born in August.


71 posted on 03/04/2012 3:50:36 PM PST by Diggity
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To: Erik Latranyi

Same thing the newly-elected Governor said after campaigning on a promise to release the long-form birth certificate.


72 posted on 03/04/2012 3:54:19 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Kleon
This is actually an old story, which I thought had gone away after it was discovered he turned the whole thing into a hilariously-bad piece of gonzo journalism for his masters thesis.

I remember it too. Might even be 2 years old now. I listened to a radio panel discussion centering on the Tim Adams "revelations" at that time. Wish I could remember the show/date.

Adams, who claimed to have been some manager in a records office of the Hawaiian govt, was attacked by the four other "birther" panelists as being untrustworthy. Basically, he and his story fell apart. It was obvious to me at the time that he was simply regurgitating commonly available internet lore. The 2 hour discussion went quite weird near the end with the scatter-brained Adams' back-peddling and contradictions, and another panelist's foray into the world of white supremacists.

That radio show weirded me out and, as a result, I have no confidence in Adams, nor his story.... whatsoever.

73 posted on 03/04/2012 4:26:10 PM PST by Scooter100 ("Now that the fog has lifted, I still can't find my pipe". --- S. Holmes)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Just a day after Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Apaio presented proof the birth certificate presented by Barack Obama as proof he meets Constitutional eligibility to be president is a fraud, we have a story coming out of Hawaii that may provide problems for Obama.

This story is over a year old...why are you making it sound like it happened the day after Arpaio's press conference?

74 posted on 03/04/2012 4:44:39 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: El Sordo
What is your explanation for Gov. Abercrombie's broken promise to shut down birthers for good and move forward regardless of administration's wishes to prove that Obama was born in a hospital in Honolulu.

Why did he back down after such bombastic announcements in major media outlets CNN, ABB, NBC...?
After all, according to his words, after being elected as Gov of Hawaii,”discrediting anti-Obama birthers was his top priority”?

According to ABC article (Dec 24, 2010): “Now Abercrombie has an office of his own — he became governor of Hawaii on Dec. 6. — and he intends to do something about it. What, exactly, is unclear. But in an interview this week at the state Capitol, he left little doubt that torpedoing the conspiracy theorists was a priority.”

Please pay attention to his choice of using strong words illustrating determination to resolve birther issue.

Now please explain to me: Why did Abercrombie refuse to publish the original birth index information? Hawaii DoH has complete authority to publish this information. Why is this information still hidden from public?

75 posted on 03/04/2012 7:13:31 PM PST by nosf40
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To: Tex-Con-Man
I have a better question for you: Why is Gov. Abercrombie still hiding the original birth index from 1961? According to Hawaii Law, statute 338-18 (d), director of DoH (Abercrombie's appointee) can release this information to the public. I am not talking about computer generated printout but the original birth registration index.
76 posted on 03/04/2012 7:22:20 PM PST by nosf40
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To: Diggity
Ok, fall, not spring...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/a_further_inquiry_into_obamas_1.html

77 posted on 03/04/2012 8:56:29 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: nosf40
AFAIK, the Birth index from that time period has already been seen and had it's own day in the sun as being the Birther’s latest magic bullet. When it got them nowhere, they moved on to their next fixation. That was back in 2010, I think. The Birthers have gone down so many dead ends that it is hard to keep track of them.

Abercrombie stated that he saw the birth record, and that it was there. He is however prevented by state law from disclosing it or information in it. He apparently shot his mouth off prior to understanding this limitation of the governor's office. It's the same limitation that kept his GOP predecessor (you know, the one that spoke at the RNC convention in 2008) from disclosing it as well.

But Birthers like to skip that part. It skews the meme.

78 posted on 03/04/2012 9:15:38 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Getting the ducks in a row.

Arizona is getting ready to pop the Skinny from the ballot.


79 posted on 03/04/2012 9:22:45 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

No, they are not.


80 posted on 03/05/2012 8:28:54 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo
Good point Sordy. What was I thinking?

Arizona will have no problem putting Soebarkah on the ballot after a county sheriff and numerous law enforcement official with dozens of years of experience have certified that his qualifying documents are forgeries.

This is all going nowhere and Michelle Obama looks sexy in a bikini. Gotcha. ;-)

81 posted on 03/05/2012 9:06:25 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

Good to see that you’ve finally come around.

Now you won’t be surprised when BHO remains on the Arizona ballot.


82 posted on 03/05/2012 9:26:47 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: PA-RIVER
and Michelle Obama looks sexy in a bikini.

If you don't stop that, I'm going to post a picture of Helen Thomas. You've been warned. ;-)

83 posted on 03/05/2012 9:27:34 AM PST by houeto (Mitt Romney - A Whiter Shade of FAIL)
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To: PA-RIVER

Except they were not “qualifying documents” in the sense that no candidate had to submit a BC to get on the ballot.

If push come to shove, the Arizona SoS will request a BC from the Hawaii SoS. Hawaii will send a certified copy of the COLB and that will be that.

Arizona is not going to accuse Hawaii of forging Obama’s BC.


84 posted on 03/05/2012 10:42:30 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: sometime lurker

I hate to agree with you, but I think you are right about this. :)

This affidavit is of very little use as proof of anything.


85 posted on 03/05/2012 10:47:53 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Guardian Sebastian
Also, help me with my memory here, wasn’t Michelle somewhere else on his birthday this year. I always felt that was quite odd. May just be because it isn’t his real birth day?

I recall reading of incidents where Obama himself seems to have forgotten his own birthday.

ABC news implies it's a "Senior Moment" but I recall reading he's forgotten his own birthday more than once. Same thing with how he Celebrates it.

86 posted on 03/05/2012 10:51:54 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: El Sordo
Abercrombie stated that he saw the birth record, and that it was there.

Don't obfuscate. He said an actual "record" was there. That something was "actually written down", or some such. This is not at all the same thing as saying a normal and ordinary birth certificate is there, and is in fact peculiar language to describe "it".

Beyond that, with Hawaii's (weird) law allowing birth certificates to be given to children not actually born there, it wouldn't be positive PROOF that he was actually born in Hawaii even if there WAS an ordinary birth certificate in the records.

He is however prevented by state law from disclosing it or information in it.

And this is a point I have objected to from day one. It is unreasonable to allow a State Law to block verification of a Federal and Constitutional requirement.

He apparently shot his mouth off prior to understanding this limitation of the governor's office.

Now I agree with this.

87 posted on 03/05/2012 11:04:29 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Harlan1196
Arizona is not going to accuse Hawaii of forging Obama’s BC.

They don't need to. If they are smart, they should accuse Hawaii of sending them a copy of the record for a replacement birth certificate which was legally issued to an adopted child.

It isn't a "forgery", (Legally created replacement birth certificates are not "forgeries.") but it isn't an original record either. (Though it is designed to resemble one.)

There is a reason Hawaii didn't certify it as a "True and Correct copy of the original record..." The way they used to certify birth certificates.

88 posted on 03/05/2012 11:10:34 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: El Sordo
Now you won’t be surprised when BHO remains on the Arizona ballot.

I will be surprised if he gets kicked off the ballot. I have yet to see anyone who would refuse to accept the very superficial evidence which has so far been presented. 50 states put him on the ballot with NO EVIDENCE so I won't be surprised if it happens again.

People are simply too afraid of being made fun of by the National Media to actually require any proof from this guy. Look at Georgia. Zero actual proof, decision in his favor anyways.

89 posted on 03/05/2012 11:15:22 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

They won’t because there is no credible evidence that it is true.

The COLB will say he is born in Hawaii. Hawaii’s SoS will once again say that Obama was born in Hawaii. And the Arizona SoS will accept it because he has no reason not to.


90 posted on 03/05/2012 11:23:08 AM PST by Harlan1196
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To: DiogenesLamp
It really doesn't matter what Abercrombie or any other Hawaiian official says as Birthers will parse the statement to mean whatever they want it to mean.

And Hawaiian law is pretty clear on BC’s for children not born there. They will get the new COLB and it will list the actual place of birth.

91 posted on 03/05/2012 11:33:55 AM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I hate to see people being sold vague hopes as solid information that will take down 0bama. It is destructive, a distraction, and makes Conservatives look like the tin foil hat brigade. We agree on this one, maybe that will induce you to consider some other theories and whether they also do harm.


92 posted on 03/05/2012 12:00:56 PM PST by sometime lurker
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To: DiogenesLamp
The Arizona SOS needs to step up to the plate. The games have to end.

I could not get a drivers license without a legitimate BC. We now have county Law enforcement officials telling the SOS that there is no BC for Soebarkah.

If the SOS should hold a press conference and explains why they need cooperation from the whitehouse, and put the screws to Obama.

Play good cop to Arpaio bad cop, "I need to prove Arpiao wrong, allow us to go to Hawaii and inspect the Microfilm and original document to end this. Without seeing the original and the microfilm, we must rely on our Sheriffs evidence and numerous sworn depositions that your BC is a forgery and keep you off the Ballot. Please, either cooperate and help us get you on the ballot or remove your name from the Arizona ballot. You choose."

93 posted on 03/05/2012 12:02:28 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER; DiogenesLamp

Why not simply ask Hawaii for a certified paper copy of the BC for the SoS and Sheriff Joe to examine? Why mess around with digital copies with questionable chains of custody?

Registered mail straight from Hawaii to Arizona with the WH out of the loop.


94 posted on 03/05/2012 12:16:06 PM PST by Harlan1196
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To: sometime lurker
If Mr. Adams has proof there is no birth certificate, he should present it and we can all cheer

I know you bedwetting Obots are having a tough time coming to grips that your marxist muslim hero is about to be exposed.

If Tim Adams were the only one that couldn't find Obams's Birth Certificate.....that'd be one thing. The fact is that it doesn't exist and never has existed. Obama couldn't find it.......Hell, he had to forge 3 of them and still failed. Along with all his other records it seems.

I'm laughing at all you Obama rumpswabs still pushing the party line when it's obvious to any rational person that Obama is a complete FRAUD.

Who are you going to believe? A marxist muslim America hating faggot illegal alien and the 3 plus years of lies and decptions or overwhelming evidence that this scumbag cannot produce a single legal document that has not been altered or forged. You Obama knee-padders would rather believe Obama than Sheriff Joe Arpaio. THAT, says it all really. Obama's ship of useful idiots is sinking. Enjoy the ride MORONS.

Tim Adams, former senior elections clerk for Honolulu:

"Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division told me on multiple occasions that no Hawaii long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Senator Obama in the Hawaii Department of Health," Adams' affidavit reads, "and there was no record that any such document had ever been on file in the Hawaii Department of Health or any other branch or department of the Hawaii government."

"Senior officers in the City and County of Honolulu Elections Division further told me on multiple occasions that Hawaii State government officials had made inquires about Sen. Obama's birth records to officials at Queens Medical Center and Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu and that neither hospital had any record of Senator Obama having been born there, even though Governor Abercrombie is now asserting and various Hawaii government officials continue to assert Barack Obama Jr. was born at Kapi'olani Medical Center on Aug. 4, 1961."

"We called the two hospitals in Honolulu: Queens and Kapi'olani," Adams stressed. "Neither of them have any records that Barack Obama was born there."

For some reason Brian Schatz was not satisfied with what he saw:

"Hawaii Revised Statute 11-113(c)(1)(B) specifically requires that this sworn application from each state party authority contains explicit language stating that all candidates are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution in order for the Chief Elections Officer to approve the candidate for placement on the state’s presidential ballot." "

The DPH, chaired by Brian Schatz, refused to include legally required language, per HRS 11-113(c)(1)(B), within the state party’s Official Certification of Nomination stating that Obama was Constitutionally eligible to serve as President.

" The Democrat Party of Hawaii refused to acknowledge that Barack Obama was legally qualified to serve as president under the provisions of U.S. Constitution and, therefore, the DPH refused to provide legal certification allowing the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer to approve the placement of Barack Obama on the Hawaiian presidential ballot."

Abercrombie's conclusions of his exhaustive quest for Obama's Birth Certificate:

Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives.

"It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said.





95 posted on 03/05/2012 12:38:14 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Okay...

Well, have fun with that.


97 posted on 03/05/2012 1:21:05 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Harlan1196
They won’t because there is no credible evidence that it is true.

The Sheriff's posse says otherwise. I happen to believe them.

The COLB will say he is born in Hawaii. Hawaii’s SoS will once again say that Obama was born in Hawaii. And the Arizona SoS will accept it because he has no reason not to.

No. You have to get the first thing you said correct before the second thing you said applies.

There *IS* credible evidence that something is funny about his documentation.

98 posted on 03/05/2012 1:30:09 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: nosf40

So then wonderboy...

What do you think AFAIK is shorthand for?


99 posted on 03/05/2012 1:30:09 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The SoS will not touch the “evidence” from the sheriff’s posse with a 10 foot pole.

When two investigators are selling a book on the investigation, one investigator is a prominent birther who has written a birther book in the past, and the editor of a prominent birther website is using the posse for fund raising, only a fool would believe that the posse was fair and impartial.

The SoS will not risk professional embarrassment by associating with the birther movement.

If you are going after the president on the United States, you need at a minimum an official criminal investigation conducted by sworn Arizona peace officers. Sheriff Joe needs to step up and conduct an official investigation.


100 posted on 03/05/2012 1:41:20 PM PST by Harlan1196
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