Skip to comments.Hawaii won’t send official confirmation of Obama’s birth to Arizona because it can’t
Posted on 05/20/2012 8:10:36 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett is saying he is stunned that after eight weeks election officials in Hawaii still have not provided him with even so much as an Email confirming they have proper documentation on record regarding Barack Obamas official birth certificate.
Because of their lack of official reply, Bennett is considering keeping Obama off of the Democrat ballot in Arizona! For some reason they havent been willing to say yes, the AZ SoS told radio talk show host Mike Broomhead.
Bennett said hes received over 1,200 Emails from his states citizens asking him to require Barack Obama to produce an original birth certificate. This is impossible to get, because states only provide certified copies of the original document.
But the State of Hawaii apparently wont even do that or even Email confirmation according to their new rule changes. Hawaii cant or wont answer. . .do you have a birth certificate for this guy? Bennett said.
In reply to Broomheads question: Will you exclude the President from the ballot?, the AZ official said that is a possibility, or he may ask all candidates to submit valid birth certificates. When CIR called both Bennett and his communications director, they both were either not at their desks or not in the office.
A commenter on this story said, Why cant this guy produce the real documents, college records, etc. Is he afraid to show he received financial aid as a foreign student?
Floridas eligibility challenge is still alive with Attorney Larry E. Klayman representing Citizen Mike Voeltz in a case that already has gone through 19 preliminary motions, hearings, and filings, since being put on the docket of Judge Terry Lewis on 2-15-2012. Case No. 37 2012 CA 000467 has eight different attorneys
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THE GUY could go to prison if he sent a fraudulent birth certficate. He is between a rock and a hard spot, no such document exists.
I think they are embarrased they can’t find it Obama look like it not American citizen come on if you were state officials or anybody would you be proud that future US President was born in your state COME ON
I think you're right, but will it matter?
We should all email our state attorneys general and demand the office uphold State Laws and investigate the claims that Obama's BC and Draft Card are forgeries.
For example, below is Louisiana's Law concerning forging identification documents:
....and when did you last see your birth certificate....?
Arizona will cave. They always do.
“I think you’re right, but will it matter?”
All that matters in America anymore is the propaganda media’s hold on public opinion.
the birth certificate proves:
1. location of birth (on US soil or not)
2. age of the person (over 35 yrs or not)
what’s missing? evidence of being in the US for 14 yrs and citizenship of both parents at the time of birth.
why does that matter?
as MILLIONS of people are aware, yet the media and rinos work overtime to hide/ridicule/discredit, in order to be a natural born citizen... you must have TWO citizen parents at the time of your birth.
why TWO citizen parents? because if one were of another nationality, ie: keyan, then citizenship for that parents country will be bestowed on the child upon birth.
in 0bama’s case, his father being kenyan means that 0bama was not only American at birth... but also british by descent.
as the VAST majority of Americans are natural born citizens, they are blissfully unaware of the differences. the media depends on this ignorance to help cover for dear leader.
the ruling on McCain was that he was a natural born citizen as he was born on US soil, ie: a US base, of TWO citizen parents.
0bama MAY have been born in hawaii, though we have zer0 original documentation supporting this notion... but he was only born with ONE citizen parent. making him ineligible to assume office... and therefore should not be allowed on the ballot.
similarly for marco rubio. he was born in miami... of two CUBAN parents. not eligible.
this isn’t rocket science. the language used by the Constitution wasn’t written to be interpreted by high priests. it was written to be clear and concise using common vernacular, which happens to also be in common use to this day
a natural born citizen is someone that is a citizen naturally... as there are no alternatives.
This is just a dog and pony show. All he is formally requesting is *an email stating they have a BC on file*.
Nothing more. No proof. Just say you have it and we'll be satisfied.
Too bad doesn't work for me when I conduct business with all levels of government or the banking system. Oh wait, I'm one of the less equal ones. Didn't the Russians refer to them (us) as Kulaks? And what did the Soviets do to the Kulaks? Hmm.
AZ passed a law out of the legislature requiring more stringent requirements for Presidential eligibility to be on the ballot. Jan Brewer vetoed it. Another bill is now brewing in the legislature based on Arpaio's Cold Case Posse findings. Secretary of State Bennet is aware of both.
Some official in Hawaii must now put his or her name on the line certifying that such a document exists. Failure to do so will result in Obama not being on the ballot in AZ. Just as importantly, the official who certifies that the document exists puts himself on the line for possible criminal prosecution should it be found to be untrue. Arpaio may be readying such a case once an official has been identified. Arpaio has indicated that there is a person of interest in terms of a forgery charge.
AZ has been the point man on more than one issue in this country. They are not caving. I wish more states emulated AZ. Maybe the 10th Amendment would be more respected.
I suggest forget the natural born citizen requirement for now and going after his obvious forged documents. It's something that's a crime and cause for his impeachment as well as putting him in Jail in most of the 50 States.
Check your State's laws on the matter. Start calling and emailing your local representatives, law enforcement, attorney general, district attorney and etc. Demand they investigate! Be prepare to cite the law that is obviously being ignored, based on discovery by Sheriff Joe...
“a natural born citizen is someone that is a citizen naturally...”
well put post.....I’d say that a NBC is someone whose Citizenship flows naturally from the citizenship of their parents. There’s discord in Obama’s birth because of his parents differing citizenships, and therefore his quality of citizenship does not meet the standard put forth by the Founders. ie he’s not purely American.......
This is all a ruse to keep the Article 2 Sect. 1 meaning in obscura. The installation of Obama - with the help of McCain forfeiting - is to set a precedent. The precedent is to make it official - foreign nationals are now eligible to be selected as the chief executive of the United States
Didn’t Hawaii pass some kind of law saying they don’t have to respond to Obama birth certificate requests?
That is my bet. There is no courage left in the USA. McCain will force Bennett to submit.
I am still puzzled why the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly and others still maintain that BHO is a bona fide NBC. O’Reilly even states that he saw the BC with his own eyes.
If BHO gets fired for being a fake, these enablers should also get the boot for having perpetuated the myth.
Obama wasn't "born," you see; he sprang, fully formed, from the a$$ of Saul Alinsky.
I’ve been wondering who is on the “cleanup team” and how they are going to handle this.
The cleanup team must have spent years backtracking to eliminate many things...pay off certain people, or worse.
They have their work cut out for them if this story persists - especially if more people get interested in the social security number problem.
I’m wondering how many of these people have been threatened
“the ruling on McCain was that he was a natural born citizen as he was born on US soil, ie: a US base, of TWO citizen parents.”
Panama Juan was born in Colón City, Republic of Panama.
This makes him a Panamanian citizen also. He is dual.
Even had he been born within the Canal Zone as he lied in his book that he was, he would still be a dual citizen as I am.
I was born in Ancon, Canal Zone.
“THE GUY could go to prison if he sent a fraudulent birth certificate. He is between a rock and a hard spot, no such document exists.”
Why is this guy not worried about going to prison for TREASON or similar charges? He’s an Attorney General for Hawaii and has a sworn duty to uphold the Constitution. Instead he’s aiding and abetting the usurpation of the presidency.
Shouldn’t all these lawyers at a minimum be disbarred? Shouldn’t their top priority be upholding CONSTITUTIONAL LAW above anything else?
That was also my thought. As long as it is only the nebulous ‘State of Hawaii’ as a whole that is being represented, then it’s no real legal shakes. When it is one specific person putting their name on the line as certifying something as true it had better be or big, big trouble ahead.
Time for a records building fire in Hawaii. /S
Sure as 1+1=2, this fraud is going to collapse. A lie can’t support the truth. It has to collapse. It was ALWAYS going to collapse.
Fools for thinking they could pull this off.
And those aiding and abetting this fraud are going to be the biggest fools of all.
And for what?
Did they get those trips around the world? Did they get a Noble Peace Prize? Did they get any of the glory? Did they eat the fine food or drink the fine wine? Hobnob with the beautiful people?
What he should do is obvious. Publicly notify Hawaii that unless they produce this documentation, they will be responsible for Obama not being on the ballot. And give them a deadline date to comply.
Then, hopefully, other states attorney generals will send Hawaii their own ultimatums, letting Hawaii know that they will be responsible for Obama being kept off the ballot in their states as well.
If the DNC objects, and it will, tell them to complain to Hawaii. The same when the DNC tries to sue Arizona, which they will until Arizona demands “discovery” of the document in question.
Get off the bottle for Christ sake, or some much needed sleep, your writing makes little sense.
Opinion of Laurence H. Tribe and Theodore B. Olson: McCain is eligible
Per request from Senator McCain two researchers presented a report on March 19, 2008, declaring McCain to be eligible.
The Constitution does not define the meaning of natural born Citizen. The U.S. Supreme Court gives meaning to terms that are not expressly defined in the Constitution by looking to the context in which those terms are used; to statutes enacted by the First Congress, Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 790-91 (1983); and to the common law at the time of the Founding. United Suites v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 (1898). These sources all confirm that the phrase natural born includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nations territory and allegiance. Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCains birth, he is a natural born citizen because he was born to parents who were U.S. citizens.
Indeed, the statute that the First Congress enacted on this subject not only established that such children are U.S. citizens, but also expressly referred to them as natural born citizens. Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, § 1, 1 Stat. 103, 104.
Historical practice confirms that birth on soil that is under the sovereignty of the United States, but not within a State, satisfies the Natural Born Citizen Clause. For example, Vice President Charles Curtis was born in the territory of Kansas on January 25, 1860 one year before Kansas became a State. Because the Twelfth Amendment requires that Vice Presidents possess the same qualifications as Presidents, the service of Vice President Curtis verifies that the phrase natural born Citizen includes birth outside of any State but within U.S. territory. Similarly, Senator Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before its statehood, yet attained the Republican Partys presidential nomination in 1964. And Senator Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961 not long after its admission to the Union on August 21, 1959. We find it inconceivable that Senator Obama would have been ineligible for the Presidency had he been born two years earlier.
And what if Barack H. Obama I is NOT his father? There is no proof of marriage. None of their friends ever saw them as a couple. They never lived together. He never supported BHO, II.
Personally, I think there is a good chance that Frank Marshall Davis is his father and his maternal grandparents arranged (perhaps for money) for BHO to assume responsibility because it could have been dangerous to FMD (friend of the family) to be named. FMD was married at the time, was a known Communist, was under constant surveillance by the FBI, was possibly a double agent. A rape, or statutory rape, charge would have led to his arrest and certain jail time.
If FMD is his father, he is a natural born citizen. But, everything else is a lie.
IMHO this is a power grab by the DNC higher ups. In 2008 Obama was a very charismatic candidate. Country was energized with the prospect that the Dems can take the House, White House and add more to the Senate. You are talking about controlling Congress and Exec Branch. They could not pass on such opportunity, but Obama has background problems. I think the DNC using their connections in gov sealed or eliminated the documents showing Obama is not born in the US.
Sheriff Arapia investigation shows that a number of critical documents that may shed light when Obama’s mother return from Kenya with child was lost. I think the state Sec of States hold the key to resolving this issue by demanding all candidates prove eligibility via official legal BC.
If it is proven that Obama has no BC, then the state officials of Hawaii are in legal hot water, DNC is in hot legal trouble, Obama’s wife Michelle is in legal hot water, and who ever provided the digital BC to the press is in legal hot water. The consequences to the ones involve is so severe that murder of low level participants in this scam is not out of the water. The forger, the Hawaii state officials should watch their backs and have a Plan B if something should happen to them. This includes Congressperson Pelosi because she played a role in forcing Hawaii state Dem Party to certify Obama on the state ballot. It was curious that the Hawaii Dem Party used a modified statement to certify that Obama is a qualified candidate to be put on the state ballot. Hawaii was one of the last states to certify Obama for the state ballot. Maybe state Dem officials under pressure are struggling with being forced to do something illegal. If it blows up, they are the ones who are the custodians of Obama’s “birth certificate”. The AZ SoC holds one of the keys to the fate of the US. Will he act like a politician or a statesman? This is not an easy decision to make. The Clinton Dems and GOP stands to gain, but is may also ignite race riots in US cities and cause public chaos on top of an economic crisis or will he let it alone and let the 2012 elections depose Obama and posterity to expose the fraud when things have calm down over time. What will happen can be summed up by Gen Robert E Lee, “it is God’s will”.
If it is proven that Obama has no BC, then the state officials of Hawaii are in legal hot water, DNC is in hot legal trouble, Obamas wife Michelle is in legal hot water, and who ever provided the digital BC to the press is in legal hot water.
BO's name is on the State of California sample ballot for the June 5 primary -- I recently received the copy for my county.
Debra Bowen, take note of what you just did. The consequences are dire.
We have NO IDEA where this man came from and NO RECORD of him before he appeared at Harvard Law School. My guess is that devout Muslim anti-colonialist he claims was his father really was his dad. EVERYTHING else is a cloud of mystery.
A KGB project? That seems as plausible as anything.
You know nothing about the relationship between the Canal Zone and the Republic of Panama.
I was born here and continue to live in Panama. I know better than you what has been going on here. Actually, you know zip zero about this area of the world.
Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCains birth, he is a natural born citizen because he was born to parents who were U.S. citizens.
Depends on the country because not all countries bestow automatically at birth to a child born abroad. MY child was born in HI to an American and a legal Canadian Immigrant. The Canadian would have had to apply to the Canadian Government with a great deal of paperwork to obtain dual citizenship for the child. Until/or unless that was done, no dual citizenship would exist and my child would have been fully American.
What about Obama agreeing to DNA tests to prove that his father was Barack senior?
As we know, President Obama has an aunt and an uncle from his Kenyan side of the family living here in the United States, so getting DNA from Barack senior's relatives should not be a problem.
Of course,we all know that President Obama will never submit to DNA tests to prove that Barack senior is really his father.
Why can’t we just get some DNA samples from Obama and Auntie Zetumi or Uncle Omar and run them through a few tests?
“I suggest forget the natural born citizen requirement for now and going after his obvious forged documents. It’s something that’s a crime and cause for his impeachment as well as putting him in Jail in most of the 50 States.”
the natural born citizen clause is not about getting him out of office now.
it’s about keeping him off the ballot as he is not eligible. would we let a 25 yr old on the ballot? no. why not? because they aren’t eligible. same difference.
“Depends on the country because not all countries bestow automatically at birth to a child born abroad. MY child was born in HI to an American and a legal Canadian Immigrant. The Canadian would have had to apply to the Canadian Government with a great deal of paperwork to obtain dual citizenship for the child. Until/or unless that was done, no dual citizenship would exist and my child would have been fully American.”
but the option is there, which means... not eligible.
i am also a US citizen and british by descent. like Rubio and 0bama, i am not eligible.
In NJ one year a small party candidate was stricken from the ballot because on the candidate’s website, he was underage for the POTUS. Ross Perot had petitions rejected because the cover letter was not proper and deadlines had to be met. Yet the two major US parties can change rules and overlook website documents. Dems pulled Toricelli when his polls tank after the deadline for parties to change name on ballots. Gee, Ross Perot or any third party candidate will not be given such flexibility by the state courts. Now inconsistent info on Obama birth certificate, birth place and etc is ignored while minor parties can be thrown out on a mere candidate website info. LOL we go all over the world and lecture other countries about democracy and yet we run a two party system facist system. In some sense Ron Paul is right, before we go overseas and play policeman/empire in the world, fix the problems at home and stay home.
if he was not born on US soil, then you are correct.
sources i reviewed stated he was born on the US base, which would be US soil.
this isn’t rocket science. it’s pretty much a litmus test. there isn’t much room for discussion unless people are being deliberately dense
Really? You are puzzled why Rush Limbaugh and others maintain the birth certificate is bona fide?
They have families. Would you endanger your family?
Sources show that he was not born on base. I have never seen documentation that he was.
The only thing that could help is if the next POTUS or so were to push for full a investigation to show this was a fraud, carry it through the courts and then it would not become a precedent overriding the NBC clause. Even then nothing will ever happen to nobama, other than disdain, because our tradition of not prosecuting our past Presidents, regardless of their actions.
Personally, I will just be happy as a lark to be shed of the SOB.
Any person born to US Citizen parents serving overseas should automatically be considered a natural born cizen
This would be an inhuman disgrace if it was not true
Over the years, millions of Americans have been born abroad to parents in the military, the diplomatic corps or other government postings, plus the business expats, academics, and tourists who didn't get home in time. To my knowledge, no one prior to the Obama controversy has ever suggested that the born-abroad children of two U.S. citizen parents were not natural born citizens.
Maybe I'm wrong. Do the military and the State Department have advisories out to their personnel to the effect that their children will be disqualified if born overseas?
I don't think so.
I agree with every word of that.
I don’t care who Tribe/Olson are. Never hear of these idiots. They are wrong.
Alfred E. Newman has more credibility than those two misinformed...whoever they are.
In fact, I dont know why I am even having this conversation with you and your two friends, Tribe/Olson.
You and they dont know zero zilch about this place to include other places outside the boarders of the United States.
The State Department says it's an unsettled issue. I don't think U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual qualifies as an advisory to their personnel, however.
7 FAM 1131.6-2 Eligibility for Presidency
a. It has never been determined definitively by a court whether a person who acquired U.S. citizenship by birth abroad to U.S. citizens is a natural- born citizen within the meaning of Article II of the Constitution and, therefore, eligible for the Presidency.
b. Section 1, Article II, of the Constitution states, in relevant part that No Person except a natural born Citizen...shall be eligible for the Office of President.
c. The Constitution does not define "natural born". The Act to establish an Uniform Rule of Naturalization||, enacted March 26, 1790, (1 Stat. 103,104) provided that, ...the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born ... out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.
d. This statute is no longer operative, however, and its formula is not included in modern nationality statutes. In any event, the fact that someone is a natural born citizen pursuant to a statute does not necessarily imply that he or she is such a citizen for Constitutional purposes.
Ref post #42.
Thank you, houeto.
Unfortunately, I know this group does not know how to read. And this is only after more than 3 years of posting the same document.
But thank you very much though.
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