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GOP pros fret over Paul Ryan (all the right people are nervous!)
Politico ^

Posted on 08/14/2012 5:41:08 AM PDT by cotton1706

You’ve heard them on television and read them on POLITICO — cheerful, defiant statements from Republican political professionals about Mitt Romney’s bold masterstroke in tapping Paul Ryan as his running mate, and turning the 2012 presidential race into a serious, far-reaching debate about budgets and the nation’s future.

Don’t buy it.

Away from the cameras, and with all the usual assurances that people aren’t being quoted by name, there is an unmistakable consensus among Republican operatives in Washington: Romney has taken a risk with Ryan that has only a modest chance of going right — and a huge chance of going horribly wrong.

In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives — old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike — the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election.

It is not that the public professions of excitement about the Ryan selection are totally insincere. It is that many of the most optimistic Republican operatives will privately acknowledge that their views are being shaped more by fingers-crossed hope than by a hard-headed appraisal of what’s most likely to happen.

And the more pessimistic strategists don’t even feign good cheer: They think the Ryan pick is a disaster for the GOP. Many of these people don’t care that much about Romney — they always felt he faced an improbable path to victory — but are worried that Ryan’s vocal views about overhauling Medicare will be a millstone for other GOP candidates in critical House and Senate races.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012veep; rinos
Read between the lines and you see that the moderates are not happy, the establishment is not happy. They were pushing a dullard like Portman or Pawlenty or their co-opted man: Rubio. "Why didn't Romney listen to Jeb Bush, our new kingmaker??" they're screaming. Gives me even more hope.

Move over Mitch McConnell! There are a slew of real conservatives on their way to your precious body, and a new PRESIDENT of the senate, to keep you in line! And John Boehner, see the result of bold, unyielding leadership, not timidness in a House member!

1 posted on 08/14/2012 5:41:13 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Since I am not going to click over to Polutico. Who are the names mentioned?


2 posted on 08/14/2012 5:43:01 AM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: cotton1706

Jebbie Bush is hissing he might get nudged out of “his turn” in 2016...


3 posted on 08/14/2012 5:50:21 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: cotton1706

“Risk”?.... “RISK”????

What “RISK”???

What frickin ‘risk’ is there when you’re going up against the biggest frickin FAILURE and HORSE MANURE this country’s ever seen???


5 posted on 08/14/2012 5:53:40 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: ilgipper

Very pleased, afterall, these are the clowns that gave us Mccain. More and more impressed with Romney everyday!!


6 posted on 08/14/2012 5:54:50 AM PDT by rocketmag
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To: ilgipper

Nobody important. Various “consultants” and “advisors.” We know who the people are that don’t like conservatives and love moderates. There’s another articla on Politico entitled “Boehner walks a fine line on Ryan.” I didn’t bother reading it. But the intent is clear. Politico is a liberal rag and mouthpiece, but the establishment reads it and the consultants read it. They’re always trying to make establishment republicans nervous about conservatives. It’s better to support the democrat than that awful conservative, they’ll say.

Unfortunately for them, the people are paying absolutely no attention as we can see from Mourdock, Cruz, etc. And Romney just picked Ryan, a fearless, movement conservative, not a go-along compromiser. The establishment of both sides thought they were so smart in pushing Romney on us. They’re probably wondering what the hell’s going on.


7 posted on 08/14/2012 5:55:23 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

GOOD!


8 posted on 08/14/2012 5:58:01 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will j rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: cotton1706

Sorry, but I think Politico is MAKING THIS CRAP UP!!!


9 posted on 08/14/2012 5:58:53 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: cotton1706
“I think it’s a very bold choice. And an exciting and interesting pick. It’s going to elevate the campaign into a debate over big ideas. It means Romney-Ryan can run on principles and provide some real direction and vision for the Republican Party. And probably lose. Maybe big,” said former President George W. Bush senior adviser Mark McKinnon.

He's barely a RINO, he's a huge Bloomberg for President delusionist.

10 posted on 08/14/2012 5:59:58 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: cotton1706
Here we go again. The "unamed" "Republican" sources trashing the Conservative, just like they did to Sarah Palin. These RINO jerks are setting Ryan (the Conservative) up to be the fall-guy in the event anything goes askew.

These guys need to be found and taken out - NOW - before their venom once again infects everything and gives us Obama - again!

11 posted on 08/14/2012 6:01:11 AM PDT by Obadiah (If Reagan had another son he would have looked like Paul Ryan.)
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To: Ann Archy

Of course they’re making it up. They’re trying to influence legislators. They want to prevent conservatives from getting any traction and they want incumbent legislators to be nervous about espousing conservatism so they appear weak and get defeated by democrats. It’s the same old game.

With Ryan on the ticket, an unabashed, articulate conservative, we may be in for a sweep of epic proportions.


12 posted on 08/14/2012 6:03:25 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: LibFreeUSA
What frickin ‘risk’ is there when you’re going up against the biggest frickin FAILURE and HORSE MANURE this country’s ever seen???

Considering most polls have them neck and neck...the horse manure is chin deep either way.

13 posted on 08/14/2012 6:05:49 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: mo
Any political steps away from the Bush family are steps worth taking.

I don't know about the rest of America, but I've long since tired of political dynasties like the Kennedy family or the Bush family.

14 posted on 08/14/2012 6:07:22 AM PDT by GBA
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To: cotton1706

Are these all the beltway folks who were begging Ryan to run for president?

If you’re taking fire, you’re over the Target.


15 posted on 08/14/2012 6:07:50 AM PDT by damncat
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To: cotton1706

Thanks for the details. I really hate the consultancy class in DC...both sides equally. It makes me want to box up my stuff and fly up there to open my own consultant office. I have a much greater accuracy rating when it comes to picking winners and losers, that’s for sure.


16 posted on 08/14/2012 6:07:53 AM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: cotton1706

If freedom is to survive, people like Paul Ryan will lead the way. This is a contest between tyranny and freedom, nothing else. The economy, lack of jobs, chaos, illegals and entitlements are only symptoms of the cancer of corruption which has infected us for too long. The cure comes in getting back to self-governance and understanding that the government which has the power to give you everything will do that only until communism is set in place, then they will take everything you have, even your children..Finding the place to not feel helpless in the face of the great evils threatening to engulf us is not easy. We have a majority of good people here in America. We are big hearted, loving and kind for the most part and we want a fair and just society where everyone gets an opportunity to learn to whatever extent he/she can. Good, decent, smart people like Paul Ryan who refuse to play the corrupt Washington games will be very abused, mostly through the government surrogates. I could not believe that Candy Crowley, CNN leftist and Bob Schieffer, CBS leftist are going to be debate moderators. Folks, this is the big problem. These people do NOT reflect America. They come from somewhere else, morally and socially. They are the super rich and want it hidden. They want to be the LORDS and they want you to be the SERFS. Paul Ryan, contrary to the lies they will tell you, does not want Medicare changed for the elderly now receiving it. He wants to save it for his generation through changes which must occur now for future recipients. Otherwise, your children can forget it because it will go under and will not be available for them. Please WAKE UP and stop listening to the lies of the leftist surrogate media conglomerates. This is the election which will determine what kind of government system we will live under for, perhaps, all time to come.


17 posted on 08/14/2012 6:17:38 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: cotton1706

I had read elsewhere with amusement that even some Romney advisors were not happy with the choice of Paul Ryan. Likely the same sort of advisors that trashtalked Sarah Palin. GOOD! I hope they get their hats (and a$$es) handed to them. Looks like Romney can think on his own feet...I consider this selection of Ryan to be the best decision he has made. The young guns are coming, one by one, office by office. Be it Walker, Cruz, West, Scott, even Scott Brown..the American people are fed up with the lack of leadership on both sides..Paul Ryan is a perfect example of what needs to happen on a national scale.


18 posted on 08/14/2012 6:18:33 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: cotton1706

One thing is for certain. With the advent of the Ryan pick, it isn’t the gope in charge anymore. Romney actually went rogue on them and did this all by himself...and the establishment hasn’t a clue how to handle it. Now all they can do is bite their tongues and quietly pull their hair out as they kiss their arses goodbye.


19 posted on 08/14/2012 6:18:41 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: cotton1706

By the way, you are exactly correct in your assessment. I agree 100%.


20 posted on 08/14/2012 6:21:00 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: cotton1706
This is Politico, a wholely-owned subsidy of the Obama 2012 Campaign.

Every word they write is a lie, including 'and' and 'the'.

21 posted on 08/14/2012 6:23:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: Ann Archy

BUMP!


22 posted on 08/14/2012 6:30:27 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: MestaMachine

I got the same impression that Romney went rogue when I heard the speeches they made this past weekend.


23 posted on 08/14/2012 6:34:30 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Ann Archy

Their source is CNN’s Candy Crowley.


24 posted on 08/14/2012 6:37:04 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: DarthVader

Maybe, just maybe, Ryan actually turned Romney. He seems to have that effect on people.


25 posted on 08/14/2012 6:43:52 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: rocketmag

Don’t you mean you are impressed with Ryan and therefore Romney for choosing him? :-)


26 posted on 08/14/2012 6:45:15 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (I stand with Paul Ryan...whatever he says,..agree!)
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To: cotton1706

Mitt should just announce that Sarah Palin is going to be his new UN Ambassador and get all of the coronaries out of the way right now...


27 posted on 08/14/2012 6:46:03 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ilgipper
Since I am not going to click over to Polutico. Who are the names mentioned?

" . . . and with all the usual assurances that people aren’t being quoted by name . . . "

28 posted on 08/14/2012 6:49:57 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: cotton1706

That’s because these unnamed Republican “professionals” are jurassic, establishmentarian types with very low risk tolerance. The arrival of a guy like Ryan onto their playground upsets their zone of complacent comfort.

Screw them. This is the team we have going forward.


29 posted on 08/14/2012 6:51:47 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: cotton1706
And the more pessimistic strategists don’t even feign good cheer: They think the Ryan pick is a disaster for the GOP.

So does that mean they're going to join Jon Huntsman as featured speakers at the DNC?

30 posted on 08/14/2012 6:52:58 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: CaptainK
It means Romney-Ryan can run on principles and provide some real direction and vision for the Republican Party. And probably lose. Maybe big,” said former President George W. Bush senior adviser Mark McKinnon.

Well jeeze... we can't have them running on "principles" now, can we?...

31 posted on 08/14/2012 6:57:14 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If Obama is reelected, America will deserve every mockery that follows.)
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To: cotton1706

Romney still has some ground to make up in Ohio, Florida, Nevada, NH, Iowa and a few others. But when he does that, and he will, because this is now a race about issues and Romney is saying the right things (to the chagrin of know-it-all-freepers who despise Romney...), but when he does that, the relevant state polls are going to fall into place.

Nationally, Romney is going to win 53-47.

Electorally, he will win by enough. I am not ready at all to say “landslide” but he will win.

In my opinion, as of today, based upon current polling data and a sense of where his campaign is going, where obama’s campaign isn’t going, and based upon previous election cycles.

So that’s my prediction....(though I sure like landslide better...).


32 posted on 08/14/2012 6:58:12 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: cotton1706

Yea, I think Howard Baker would have a better pick. He understands the intricacies of foreign policy and can negotiate a treaty on candle making with his eyes closed.

Yep, he would have been a perfect pick to excite the base. Yep.


33 posted on 08/14/2012 6:58:38 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: cotton1706

The GOPe is worried that if the grassroots keeps this up, the Tea Party will have major influence in the GOP!!!


34 posted on 08/14/2012 6:58:38 AM PDT by Chief901 (Obama Septic Tank Campaign Ads, full of sh!t and smell like crap)
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To: cotton1706
"And the more pessimistic strategists don’t even feign good cheer: They think the Ryan pick is a disaster for the GOP. Many of these people don’t care that much about Romney — they always felt he faced an improbable path to victory — but are worried that Ryan’s vocal views about overhauling Medicare will be a millstone for other GOP candidates in critical House and Senate races."

Rush Limbaugh
November 10, 2011


I think they are more concerned, our consultants, with holding the House and winning the Senate. I think they believe (deep down in the depths of their souls) that Obama can't be beat. I think they look at Mitt Romney as the single only hope we have of taking the Senate even if he loses the presidential race.
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I do believe that in some cases (and I'm not prepared to name names right now) on our side they would rather Obama win than a full-throated conservative beat him, because they don't control the conservatives. They don't control the Tea Party; they don't control where that victorious conservative candidate would come from.
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I'm just telling you how the inside the Beltway consultants think on our side. These are not my thoughts right now. I'm telling you how our guys are thinking. So they're thinking we could lose the House. I guarantee you they are thinking, "With the wrong presidential candidate we could lose the House, not to mention lose the White House race." Well, they don't want to lose the House. They want to win the Senate. They think Obama's gonna get reelected and that's the best way to stop him is to have both houses: House and Senate.
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And they look at Romney as, "Eh, cool. He's a moderate; he's not total ribald conservative," but they think because sounds intelligent and he's smooth talker now (he doesn't have many gaffes), that he can, while losing the race for the presidency, still bring off a number of victorious Senate and House raises. Now, I think the only way to pull it off with Romney is if sufficient and consistent pressure is brought on him to run on conservative policies. Like Daniel Henninger said in the Wall Street Journal about three weeks or a month ago: "You're gonna have to constantly push Romney to the right. That's not where he naturally lives," and so you're gonna have to push him to run on conservative policies and produce and project a distinguishable contrast with Obama. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/11/10/gop_eyes_senate_not_wh_in_2012
35 posted on 08/14/2012 7:03:50 AM PDT by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: Obadiah

"Here we go again. The "unamed" "Republican" sources trashing the Conservative, just like they did to Sarah Palin. These RINO jerks are setting Ryan (the Conservative) up to be the fall-guy in the event anything goes askew."

It's coming from Pullotico- they lost what little credibility they had after they were caught repeatedly making up quotes. (Former Pullotico chief/DNC lackey Ben Smith is now doing the same thing with his new outfit, BuzzFeed).

36 posted on 08/14/2012 7:04:35 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: ScottinVA
They're the same rinos who never really liked Ronald Reagan.....they only tolerated him because he was the most popular president in the 20th century.
37 posted on 08/14/2012 7:06:00 AM PDT by ontap
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To: cotton1706

Ditto to your comments. I am so sick of the gutless, pandering of RINOs.

And don’t even get me started on the McVain attacks on Bachmann. McVain is the epitome of lowlifes in the Republican party.


38 posted on 08/14/2012 7:12:01 AM PDT by el_texicano (Palinista to the core!)
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To: cotton1706

John Boehner talked to Greta last night. He said (and I feel myself getting angry again just typing this) that Ryan is a conservative guy, but not so much that he’s a, quote, “knuckledragger.” Boehner went on to illustrate by saying Ryan voted for TARP because he was smart enough to realize we needed it to save the country.

Apparently he thought he was doing Ryan a favor.....


39 posted on 08/14/2012 7:12:29 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Obadiah; All

I smell McVain in all this. Yes, these backstabbing traitors need to be ferreted out and humiliated.


40 posted on 08/14/2012 7:14:58 AM PDT by el_texicano (Palinista to the core!)
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To: cotton1706

Good.

The more democrats who feel that their boy is going to win, the fewer who will actually make it to the pools and vote.

The more fired up the conservative base gets to prove the elites in charge how wrong they are, the more who WILL make the effort to get to the polls.


41 posted on 08/14/2012 7:19:54 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Obadiah
These RINO jerks are setting Ryan (the Conservative) up to be the fall-guy in the event anything goes askew.

Exactly. The claim will be that Romney and Ryan weren't sufficiently moderate/liberal and all because he picked an "extremist" like Ryan. The truth is that, if Romney wins, it will be because Ryan carried him over the finish line.

Romney-Ryan should be Ryan-Romney. Ryan could win in a landslide, but Rove and his elitist friends don't think they could control a President Ryan.

42 posted on 08/14/2012 7:27:54 AM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: SueRae

Agree SueRae. When the announcement was made, I thought I heard the sound of alot of RINO heads exploding at the RNC and other GOP-E bunkers in DC(bars if Boehner is there).

There is a big division within the party and it’s about time we conservatives get noticed.. with Ryan on the ticket. There was no appreciation from the leadership in 2010 for GOP election successes. This is our way of telling the “reachers across the aisle” that without support for our conservative agenda(saving the country), we can do this on our own one election at a time..ie they can join us or end up being the party of nothing. Ha..I hope I’m right.

That said, we need to remember that Mittens didn’t pick Ryan because he is convinced of the merits of the Tea Party. He did it because the “tea” leaves read that his campaign was failing and he was destined for defeat in November at the hands of the Chicago machine.

The RNC went along because they must have known that the money(which is everything to them) would dry up with the increasingly unpopular Mittens at the top of the ticket. An RNC big whig that I know said that the money is rolling in,, no problem. ..which translates to panic that their fundraising might be tanking. They now think erroneously that they were so very clever to have hidden their RINO philosophy publicly enough to trick conservatives into supporting them.

Problem is that constitutional conservatives actually work for results(see Cruz race). And if they are like me, they don’t contribute financially to the RNC anyway, but rather directly to the candidates who hold fast to first principles and run on that platform.

Most of us have had it with the late night boozing, deal making elitists within the beltway who assume that we are their sheeple.

To them, we are like Greek yogurt, which tastes terrible but we eat it anyway.. They know they need us even though they would prefer that we instantly disappear. At the very least, they want us to shut up and sit down. Conservative activists should not be seen OR heard. Hmm...


43 posted on 08/14/2012 8:01:56 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (Ryan/Romney. SIGH.)
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To: cotton1706
How we fall for their faux reasons for whatever they do. Romney has not been able to win in the polls. Obama has been such a terrible president that Spongebob Squarepants should be beating him. The gop-e decided that conservatives won't have a choice but to vote for the liberal they lied, cheated and forced on us. They wanted to win the independents and felt they had to pick someone who is willing to blow with the wind and be whoever they need him to be to win. Now they realize they can't get the all conservative votes like they assumed. They knew they had to throw out some bait hoping social conservative would bite and come home. These mostly unknown people who are complaining about Ryan are there to show easily lead conservatives that Romney is making a sacrifice and brave in choosing Ryan.

Romney is using Ryan's character and conservative face to win as he has none of his own. Everyone knows he is not a conservative and has to put one out there for the disenchanted. Romney will “use” Ryan to be the attack dog, man of character/social conservative, in an attempt to pull social conservatives back. Then Ryan will be put on the shelf, only to be used for funerals and when Romney needs him. Otherwise, shut up. Just like Romney used backdoors to destroy Sarah, Obama will have his media destroy Ryan.

The only way to win is to flip the ticket (although, I question if Ryan would be really safe).  Ryan would be a great president. Many conservatives are wise and discerning enough to see a bait and switch going on.  We look at what people have done and said in the past, not just what they are saying today. We all know Romney is NOT a conservative and true conservatives have  a problem with Romney, because he is not just an ordinary rino, but a I can be further left than Kennedy rino/I'll do whatever it takes to be president, not matter who I hurt or what I have to do. Sounds like our current commander and thief. We always complained about democrats buying into hope and change and not knowing anything about Obama or worse, those who knew what a liar, theft and corrupt person he was and now we have it in our own ranks. What a sad party we have become. We had to win at any cost; allowing the gop to use us and then helping them plot our own demise.

Romney has taken a good leader out of Wisconsin, a bluish state, to help him win. There was no sacrifice or bravery for Romney, only selfish ambition. Using Ryan as a  conservatives face for Romney, does not change anything. We still would be stuck with romney as president. I will be gone a while, but will respond to any comments when I return.

44 posted on 08/14/2012 8:02:18 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: jazzlite

“If freedom is to survive, people like Paul Ryan will lead the way. This is a contest between tyranny and freedom, nothing else.”

FYI, saw this interesting piece in this morning’s Washington Times:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/13/ryan-sparks-split-on-immigration/

(Note: The WT is the -conservative- publication in DC, not to be confused with The Washington Post....)

Isn’t going to change my vote (I’m an anyone-but-Obama type), but something to be concerned about. Mr. Ryan may be good with conservatives on some issues, but his stance on immigration is troubling...


45 posted on 08/14/2012 8:20:23 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: EBH

Yeah. The libs put out all these lies and BS for everyone, and pretty soon they don’t realize they start to believe their own lies and BS. What a bunch of idiots. They’re not going to have any idea what hit em come November.


46 posted on 08/14/2012 8:31:58 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Obadiah
These guys need to be found and taken out - NOW - before their venom once again infects everything and gives us Obama - again!

Hang on a sec. I thought it was the conservative 'purists' who were going to ensure Zero's re-coronation because they won't support Mittens. Now you're saying it's the GOP-E?

Which is it?

47 posted on 08/14/2012 8:40:06 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Not sure what you're referring to regarding “purists”, but to the GOP-e, Conservatives are an anathema. They don't care who wins as long as Conservatives are run out of town and discredited.

I don't like Mitt Romney any more than I liked John McCain. In fact, I fear we will see Bob Dole all over again. But the fact that Paul Ryan is now on the ticket gives me hope that Conservative issues and values may surmount the mountain of leftist dung.

48 posted on 08/14/2012 9:00:11 AM PDT by Obadiah (If Reagan had another son he would have looked like Paul Ryan.)
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To: Obadiah
I refer to third-party voters such as myself because that's what I've been called on various threads. We're accused of handing the election to Zero. Now I see you posting that the GOP-E, which hand-picked Romney may hand the election to Zero if they don't lay off Ryan. I tend to believe you, by the way.

I am also a Ryan fan. I just found your post interesting, and useful to show where the real danger is in the Republican Party. It's not from conservatives.

49 posted on 08/14/2012 9:05:08 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy; DarthVader
Sorry, but I think Politico is MAKING THIS CRAP UP!!!

thats a safe bet

50 posted on 08/14/2012 11:23:44 AM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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