Posted on 11/13/2012 8:25:48 PM PST by publius321
A great deal of discussion has taken place on conservative message boards today due to the fact that Glenn Beck has referred to those in twenty states who have signed petitions to “secede” from the union. These petitions seemed peculiar to me since it would be the job of their elected state legislators to secede if such an activity were to take place, not individual citizens.
As I elaborated in my video today, on his radio program Glenn has repeatedly urged listeners to move from northern states to Oklahoma and Texas. The inference is obvious.
Yet, he implies that people who see secession coming are insane.
This to me is a form of hedging that is taking place. Later, depending on what happens, these radio hosts can all say they always said these people were kooks. But when they see it become more inevitable as God fearing, red states defend their citizenry against brazen evil - then - the talking radio heads will go out on a limb and bravely “predict” secession.
I have been predicting secession since Obama was elected for reasons enumerated at TableOfWisdom.com and again today at the video following. However, the way in which the possibility is being handled by signers in these twenty states is unrealistic and will not take place as a result of this apparent endeavor.
If or when it happens it will occur as a result of Obama forcing states to protect their citizens against clear violations against the constitution. The beginning stages where Obama has waged war against states can be seen in the lawsuits launched against Arizona for simply trying to enforce federal law in protecting its borders against outside invasion. One can also point to Obama’s election ploy where he proclaimed that deportation laws against illegals would not be enforced.
It will get much worse once Obamacare fully kicks in over the next few years but with the aforementioned examples, one can see states exhausting all options through the legal system before they have to resort to secession. One can see these state representatives doing what our founding fathers did step by step through every channel before they were left with no other choice. Our founders were mostly “loyalists” to the crown until they had no other choice. Enter the Declaration of Independence where they expatiated in full – why they had no choice.
We have not reached that point yet, but I have no doubt in my objective mind that WE WILL. Obama has had no other intention from day one then to FORCE this upon the states.
There are some on the conservative boards that believe that the federal government will simply implode as the currency dies, thereby preventing this from happening. They are erroneously leaving out one important factor. The Obama administration is rapidly seeking to empower and surrender our sovereignty to the United Nations. This administration is treasonously participating in UN resolutions to take over our rights.
Regardless of whether this encroachment comes to full fruition before or after Bernanke prints our currency to worthlessness, they are coming with the United Nations and nations who hold the gold – like China.
In the days of the confederacy, the states were fighting a federal government that had arrogated power onto itself that was never intended by our founders. Similarly, the final confederacy will be fighting against a UN that was initially sold to us as a symbolic organization with no power or authority over US citizens.
I observed a few posts by some RINO types who will no doubt be similar to the implacable loyalists who refused to see the writing on the wall to the bitter end. One such post castigated a conservative as follows:
“As much as I don’t like the outcome of the election, I’m not ready to give up on America yet.
Anyone who wants states to leave our nation had better take a long look in the mirror. How dare you disrespect the sacrifices of our fallen veterans who gave their lives for America. And you call yourselves Patriots...I would use a different term...Quitters." (end quote)
If you want to leave America, then I suggest you follow in the footsteps of the forefathers you constantly use as an example and go find your own island, move there, and start your own nation. Leave America for the Americans. We may be a flawed nation, but I’d rather live in America than anywhere else in the world...including your new nation.”
We are seeing this type of rhetoric from some of the very people, including talk radio hosts who were the very people who were telling us that this election is for the fate of our nation since it was all coming down to this election since John Roberts left it to the electorate to overturn Obamacare. Now, when push comes to shove, it seems there stance has morphed into the old "well, there's always next election". Presumably they are now in denial and are conning themselves into the notion that once the kids and unmarried women suffer through four more years of Obama - THEN they will finally see the error of their ways and then elect the next Romney, McCain or Dole (as though that would save us).
What would it take to stop these RINOs from deluding themselves? Will they still be telling us "wait until 2016 as they are handcuffed to a pole in Gitmo?
I would agree these people should not be doing this because it is up to their sovereign states to handle this. From that standpoint, they should be petitioning their state legislatures, not the federal government.
It is also too soon.
Where I disagree with the sentiments is in his perspective about them being unpatriotic. These common assertions sound like sanctimonious platitudes that would fly 10 years ago but not now.
I’m not shouting but need to capitalize this for emphasis.
THE UNITED STATES FOR WHICH YOU AND I LONG NO LONGER EXISTS. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BEGAN SECEDING FROM THE CONSTITUTION BEGINNING AT LEAST IN 2008.
THE ELECTORATE HAS CHANGED. THE DEGRENERATE CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN OF THE BOOMERS -SHOW UP ON ELECTION DAY!!!
DELUSIONAL ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS ARE IN DENIAL.
THE “BLUE DOG” DEMOCRATS ARE DEAD AND THEY ARE NOT COMING BACK – SO STOP DELUDING YOURSELF INTO THINKING THEY WILL BE BACK IN 2016.
OVER THE NEXT 2 YEARS YOU ARE GOING TO SEE AN OUTPOURING OF EVIL THAT WILL DEMAND CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE UNLESS YOU ARE EVIL YOURSELF.
THEN - STATE LEGISLATURES (RED) WILL HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE (LIKE OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, THE WAY THEY EXHAUSTED EVERY POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE BEFORE THE DECLARATION).
I LIKE BECK - BUT HE IS WRONG ABOUT THIS BECAUSE HE IS UNDERESTIMATING THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION.
MARK MY WORDS, A YEAR OR TWO FROM NOW HE WILL BE TELLING US HOW HE PREDICTED SECESSION EARLY ON – BECAUSE HE WILL PREDICT IT ONCE OBAMACARE KICKS IN AND HE SEES HOW WICKED IT TRULY IS.
IT IS INEVITABLE - BUT NOT NOW AND NOT BY PEOPLE WHOSE JOB IS NOT TO DO THE WORK OF THEIR ELECTED STATE LEGISLATORS.
To the RINOs like the loyalists to the crown who cannot part with the gravy train from which they make their fortunes, I offer this favorite quote of mine by Samuel Adams written to the loyalists who put their status quo first - rather then the principles enumerated by our founding fathers:
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
As for me I stand for the constitution, which is the true America that our founders created 236 years ago. America is NOT a government that murders babies, the handicapped and the elderly. America is NOT a government that sees its citizens as mere resources to be disposed of the moment they deen them a burden.
Beck is pissed at secessionists because he would lose his status quo...his own little Texas “Loyal Opposition Empire” should that movement seriously take hold.
He’s a nut case who turned to making more money than spouting crazy assed conspiracy theories.
At this point, I’m ready to cast off all the so-called conservative icons: Beck, Boortz, Hannity, Erickson, Coulter et al... and go with some new blood that isn’t in it for appeasement, or money.
Pg 37: “The non-attendance of eight or nine men, who were appointed members of the convention, I shall ever consider as a very unfortunate event to the United States.”
Among these were thought to be Abraham Clark of NJ, Richard Caswell & Willie Jones of NC, Patrick Henry, Richard Henry Lee & Thomas Nelson of VA.
Hmm, add the others from the Constitutional Convention like Paterson, Lansing, Yates, Gorham, Randolph . . . others? That makes ten or so. They could have significantly influenced the Constitution which at any time had about thirty-five members in attendance.
Had they participated, the Constitution would not have been so inclined toward aristocracy, nor would it have as many powers, which would have been better defined. I am also conviced there would have been a prohibition on any that affected the states’ internal police.
Unfortunately, by their absence, the Anti-Federals had only themselves to blame.
I believe the states in red should collect all taxes, both federal, state and local, keep what is needed to provide the services for its people, and send any leftovers on to Washington, DC.
Make allowances for any unfunded federal mandates and all that rubbish.
Problem solved.
Federals would scream and sue and we could watch the fireworks on our fancy
state financed entertainment centers and talk to each other on our state cell phones, buying our Angus beef with our state debit cards. And seeing our physicians at local expense.
LG!
Patrick Henry proposed a similar arrangement, which also limited federal taxation to external objects like tariffs on imports, and left internal, direct taxation of the people to the states.
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free — if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending — if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained — we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable — and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
~Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.
You dont secede from the Republic. You just divide your state,as an example,North Dakota,South Dakota,Virginia,West Virginia. A State Like Pennsylvannia being dictated By the Inner city Minorities,and the western Part being Punished sets up its own Western Pa,With its own State Govt.Separate Governor The works,they dont secede from the Union,they send their Electoral votes to a Conservative.Philadelphia can support the Marxists all they want.
You dont have to petition the federal govt for permission either.
What about my ancestors that fought for the Confederacy?
Whomever taught you history needs to loose there accreditation.
There was a time when I considered Beck a valued asset for the country but, as time passed, he has become more of an grade B actor.
I refer to the times when our country has faced calamities. Beck begins his show with a somber monologue and with a quivering voice, long pauses and tearful predictions of gloom for the country then, without missing a beat launches into...AND NOW A WORD FROM OUR SPONSOR GOLD-R-US.
Anyone who has the ability to snap out of abject depression to a upbeat manic mode that fast, is either acting or has mental problems.
Yet you continue making these droning self-serving videos.
How did the whole secession thing work out for them?
Have you shut down discussion on just this thread or are you shutting Free Republic down altogether??
Secession is not necessarily the course of action. However, I think this petition is a wake up call to our government. I think they have way underestimated the anger of this country, and at their peril. There are many many ways to channel this anger. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Kicking a bunch of out of work union goon yankee's asses won't be too tough and wouldn't take too long.
We have God, guns & guts. Y'all have obamaphones, welfare and fag marriage.
No contest.
The other thing the US government has that you don’t is the US Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines.
But if you think your a match for the 101st Airborne, then I’m not going to try to change your mind. They will probably retreat at the first sign of your keyboard.
Let those states that wish to leave secede from the United States
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/228/644/059/let-those-states-that-wish-to-leave-seceed-from-the-united-states/
Hell of a lot more southern boy than yankee fags in the military.
Getting rid of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was odinga’s way to get more blue state liberals and butt packers in the military.
At least I have the guts to use my real name here unlike you ‘lil missy.
The CSA created a govt in four weeks. Pretty good I'd say.
You are right, I am positive there are more southern boys than Yankee fags in the military. But the Yankee fags are probably outnumbered 10 to 1 by the southern boy fags in the military. Maybe you should join up.
Sorry about the fag comments, I guess I really struck a nerve.
I never would have posted that if I had known about the lightness of yer little loafers.
Look on the bright side, one of you is President again.
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