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Math-Challenged Silly People Voting Libertarian Cost GOP Victory in At Least 9 Congressional Races
Reaganite Republican ^ | 16 November 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/16/2012 3:21:20 AM PST by Reaganite Republican



The good news comes via instapundit:

PEOPLE WILL LOVE THIS: Libertarians provided the margin for Democrats in at least nine elections. It’s particularly sad that libertarians didn’t back Mia Love. Really, you’re not going to vote for a candidate whose favorite economist is Bastiat? Apparently not.


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So thanks Paulbot idiots- it all went-down just like we told you it was going to.

Any independent or Libertarian candidate running on the right is as much an enemy to American conservatives as are the progs: in our two-party system these people have zero chance of achieving real power or accomplishing anything meaningful, and are about as relevant as the Whig Party.  

That is, unless you count 'handing elections to Democrats', where they get to throw a tantrum, be heard, and do damage to conservatives- why does anybody think Ron and Rand Paul ran as Republicans? Because they want to WIN and take power, not sit at home dreaming about it- that's why

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1 posted on 11/16/2012 3:21:33 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

I don’t think libertarians are necessarily a conservative vote. The “liber” part of their name is not accidentally reminiscent of “liberalism”.

They are pro-abortion, pro-gay, pro-drugs, and anti-foreign defense footprint.

Just looking at that list makes me wonder why folks think the everyday liberatarian would vote for a conservative.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 3:26:26 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Maybe the GOP ought to work on being inclusive to the Libertarian-minded folks instead of kicking them out? Just a thought.


3 posted on 11/16/2012 3:28:03 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: xzins

AGREED IN FULL

I find the Libertarian social issues AND military stance -particularly re. Iran- utterly revolting... not at all what I’D call conservative, either


4 posted on 11/16/2012 3:29:20 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: ken5050; AdvisorB; sten; paythefiddler

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5 posted on 11/16/2012 3:30:57 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican; xzins

I’ll third that; “libertarians” I know are just libs who don’t like paying for freebies for black people. There is nothing “conservative” about them; even Romney is a right-winger to them.


6 posted on 11/16/2012 3:31:06 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: xzins
You are ignorant of where the word Liberal was first derived. Our Founding Fathers were all Liberals in the sense that they believed that liberty for the individual was paramount. Since then the collectivists have co-opted the word and now "Liberal" means totalitarian.

If republicans wish to win one day they might consider the skills needed to form a coalition. As long as they disparage and belittle those who don't think exactly as they do good luck with those close elections.

7 posted on 11/16/2012 3:32:19 AM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: xzins

Nah, that’s not true. If anything, Libertarians are more reminiscent of original ‘true conservatives’.

The semantics have become confused and conflated with all sorts of nonsense over time. Philosophically speaking, the US was founded as a Liberal nation—in the sense of what is now known as ‘Classical Liberalism’ or Libertarianism in the context of US politics. What happened was that the Progressives/Socialists essentially stole the word ‘Liberal’ for themselves, and so those who desired to stay true to America’s (Classical) Liberal foundations generally became the Conservatives.


8 posted on 11/16/2012 3:34:13 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Utmost Certainty

My apologies for being so short, but maybe the Paulbots should get their heads out of their asses after the primaries are over and a clear candidate has emerged. Their vanity just cost America big time.


9 posted on 11/16/2012 3:36:09 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

They are not conservative

Pro abortion, legalize drugs, open borders, effeminate military posture... NO THANKS

Libertarians under RP were by and large a distraction and negative, many refused to vote for Romney in the end, and as noted above cost us a MINIMUM of 10 Congressional races

Don’t need them around imho


10 posted on 11/16/2012 3:36:36 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: xzins
The “liber” part of their name is not accidentally reminiscent of “liberalism”.

"Libertarian" is derived from the word "liberty".

11 posted on 11/16/2012 3:37:02 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Reaganite Republican

Great insight into the rationalizing mind of the RINO. Forget freedom and liberty, limited government, fiat currency and the damage the Fed is enacting on Americans, wars of aggression - lacking Congressional approval, but they prefer to focus on the win/loss of the Republican Party above all.

John Boehner is the perfect example of how the country got into this mess by continuing the drifting leftward within the progressive wing of the Republican Establishment. If the RINO’s had listened to the conservative Tea Party base about how Romney was a weak candidate, they never should have run him against Obama. But they didn’t listen when they ran McCain in 2008, they didn’t listen when the ran Romney in 2012, and they won’t listen when they run Christy in 2016. They prefer to attack Libertarians and Tea Party as the reason they lost the election and ignore their contribution to the massive debt and drift to larger government through the Bush years.


12 posted on 11/16/2012 3:37:56 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: snowrip

Shrug. Even Palin tried to warn conservatives and the GOP not to reject the Ron Paul folks this election cycle and shut them out, but they did it anyway at their own peril.


13 posted on 11/16/2012 3:38:20 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: xzins; Reaganite Republican
You'll rarely see a Democrat advocating the use of the death penalty in narcotics cases, but that's very common with Conservatives.

So why would a pro-drug Libertarian vote for a Conservative?

14 posted on 11/16/2012 3:38:27 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: xzins

Libertarians too often confuse liberty with license.


15 posted on 11/16/2012 3:43:04 AM PST by Jacquerie (Obama voters don't know what they lost, because they never learned what they had.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

A libertarian ensured Harry Reid’s victory over John Ensign in 1998.


16 posted on 11/16/2012 3:44:15 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Cut the cable today!)
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To: corkoman
Both major parties are coalitions of diverse groups. Republicans play the part as well as the Democrats.

There are political bodies in our society who do not participate well in coalitions ~ and they tend not to win elections, but that's just them.

Something to think about ~ both major parties have wide fluctuations in vote totals. The Republicans have dropped as much as 26 million votes one election to another (2004 to 2006) and the Democrats have dropped as much as 30 million (2008 to 2010).

The combined votes of all the independent more ideologically driven "third parties" is a fraction of that!

Just one of the reasons serious analysists of political matters tend to discount third-party influence. For all practical purposes, both Democrats and Republicans can win elections simply by pulling in more of their own partisans ~ which is why they will continue to do business the way they have been doing it.

17 posted on 11/16/2012 3:45:12 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: broken_arrow1

Saying that Libertarians favor abortion, drug use etc. is using Democrat tactics of distortion of intent. Like accusing Ron Paul of being racist because he opposed the government passing laws telling small business owners who they can and can’t hire, that they can’t show discrimination in hiring practices. Libertarians prefer to think that government should not insert itself at all into anyone’s hiring decisions.

Likewise, Drug use shouldn’t be regulated by the government, not condoning drug use, but saying government should stay out of personal matters entirely. Once government starts getting involved in peoples personal lives - that’s how larger government gets rationalized and liberty is lost.


18 posted on 11/16/2012 3:46:44 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: muawiyah

There are rightwing libertarians who find the paramilitarization of police forces, no-knock raids, and civil asset forfeiture without even the benefit of a charge let alone a trial, more of a threat than the drugs against which the war on drugs is reputedly being fought.

Assuming they’re all potheads and druggies is a mistake, therefore.


19 posted on 11/16/2012 3:47:11 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Reaganite Republican
Libertarians under RP were by and large a distraction and negative, many refused to vote for Romney in the end, and as noted above cost us a MINIMUM of 10 Congressional races

Don’t need them around imho

Let's see, the RINO's don't need evangelicals, they don't need libertarians, they don't need pro lifers, they don't need America Firsters...

You mittbots keep floating turds like mitt - who's next, Jeb? - and driving away the base and you wonder why you'll never win another election. I will never vote for a GOPe candidate again. I'm done with the GOP. FUGOP.

20 posted on 11/16/2012 3:49:48 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: Reaganite Republican

Not all are for national defense, open borders, etc. It’s a more diverse platform than that.

It’s more about not wanting people’s lives micro-managed by Statolatrists, who are prevalent in both the Republican and Democrat parties. Respect for liberty implies accepting that others may have values & lifestyles divergent from your own.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 3:50:04 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Not all are for weak national defense, open borders, etc. It’s a more diverse platform than that.

It’s more about not wanting people’s lives micro-managed by Statolatrists, who are prevalent in both the Republican and Democrat parties. Respect for liberty implies accepting that others may have values & lifestyles divergent from your own.


22 posted on 11/16/2012 3:50:50 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: muawiyah
So why would a pro-drug Libertarian vote for a Conservative?

Because most of them don't take drugs, but they do pay taxes. Most libertarians I know are straitlaced workaholics. What they hate is wasting law enforcement resources on victimless crimes when there are lots of thefts, robberies and rapes that could be investigated in greater depth instead of being dumped into cold case files. Some of the money saved from not imprisoning perpetrators of victimless crimes could be spent on longer sentences for thieves, robbers and rapists. Their perspective is that the state should not be shoehorned into the parental role - that role is best performed by each individual's actual parents.

23 posted on 11/16/2012 3:55:44 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Well said. I personally know of one LOSERtarian who voted that way in this election. The individual is on call/email block for eternity.


24 posted on 11/16/2012 3:55:48 AM PST by MachIV
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To: RegulatorCountry

I’ve changed my stance on Drugs substantially over the past decade.

I have no use for dopers or meth heads.

However, if we believe the basic theories of economics, and if we look at what we should have learned from prohibition, it becomes obvious that the current drug laws:
1) Make the wrong people rich
2) Are responsible for 50,000 dead south of the border.

Cary Nation set the stage for Al Capone.
Tough drug laws have very negative consequences.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 3:56:31 AM PST by AlbertWang
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To: xzins

Most of them I know are also pro-Open borders.


26 posted on 11/16/2012 3:56:42 AM PST by MachIV
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To: MachIV
None of those I know are pro-open borders. All are pro-individual liberty which many Republicans do not favor.

Why is the Nanny-State OK when it is Republicans issuing the marching orders?

27 posted on 11/16/2012 4:00:41 AM PST by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: snowrip

You can try to sugar coat it any way you want... You’re free to bury your head in the sand, but you can’t hide from the fact that the republican party’s nomination of a northeastern liberal with an anti-gun, pro-gay, liberal judge appointing, pro-abortion past was what just “cost America big time.”


28 posted on 11/16/2012 4:04:11 AM PST by yantis
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To: Sirius Lee
Let's see, the RINO's don't need evangelicals, they don't need libertarians, they don't need pro lifers, they don't need America Firsters...

I was repeatedly informed by Team Mittens' representatives on this site, throughout the entirety of 2012, that:

a.) ... as a socon, my views and desires were "statistically insignificant" and "fringe," and therefore did not merit serious (or even grudging) consideration or inclusion; AND, simultaneously --

b.) ... as a socon, my lone, individual vote was absolutely essential, and the only sure thing standing between The Forces of Light and C'Thulhu's Extra-Dimensional Army.

At no point whatsoever did the thundering cognitive dissonance absolutely inherent in those two violently antipodal viewpoints occur to any of them, however fleetingly.

So, obviously, then: they ended up blaming Mittens' epic electoral belly flop on voter fraud. ;)

29 posted on 11/16/2012 4:06:13 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("If you're not fiscally AND socially conservative, you're not conservative!" - Jim Robinson, 9-1-10)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I 100 percent blame the Republicans who wanted Romney to begin with. Anyone with a brain knew he was the worst candidate ever chosen to be the Republican candidate. The problem I have with us conservatives is that we are forced to settle for the lowest denominator each and every time. When have we ever had the candidate of choice? We keep voting for the crap they put in front of us. I still believe that if Bloomburg somehow got the Republican nominee in 2016, that most on Free Republic would be talking about how great the guy is. I just think that we have not taken a stance on principles in so long that we forgot what it is like to do so.


30 posted on 11/16/2012 4:08:25 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: RegulatorCountry
Well, let's see ~ victimless crimes ~ one of my cousins was murdered by her druggy husband with a shotgun. We blame the druggy and his drugs, not the inanimate object ~ and some idiot in the Army decided he had to beat me up with a broom stick in the barracks one evening ~ he was high ~ I thrashed him in the end.

Another druggy robbed my apartment ~ he was eventually caught and was discovered to have murdered two people.

Frankly, in my experience, there's always something with these guys that ends up proving they do not become devotees of the doctrines of ahemsa.

31 posted on 11/16/2012 4:09:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: xzins

small l libertarians are just as if not more conservative than most so called conservatives..

we believe in a literal interpretation of the constitution..

we do not want to be ruled over by the federal government, regardless of which side of the political spectrum the feds are ruling by....

revert to the constitution and most if not all our nations problems will just go away, THAT is what we believe in..

which would you rather have, a party that has a cool platform that gets discarded once in power, or a platform that you can 80% agree with, can work to change, and know that once elected will stick with the platform?

In other words, do you like being deceived or not?


32 posted on 11/16/2012 4:10:28 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: yantis

What he said


33 posted on 11/16/2012 4:10:45 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: AlbertWang
The rate of carnage could be easily reduced by executing the druggies and their enablers.

Might be a sharp spike at the beginning of the campaign, but eventually things drop off ~

The experience of China is before us ~ uncontrolled use of opium based drugs ended up costing them nearly two centuries of civilization and resulted in tens of millions of deaths.

34 posted on 11/16/2012 4:13:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: AlbertWang

Agreed. Police state tactics in response to a moral collapse is what we’ve been doing. Drug use is a symptom of that moral collapse. So, we respond by taking away Constitutional freedoms for everyone, leaving us open to the proverbial knock on the door in the middle of night, well, no, they don’t knock.


35 posted on 11/16/2012 4:16:17 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Zhang Fei
Because most of them don't take drugs, but they do pay taxes. Most libertarians I know are straitlaced workaholics. What they hate is wasting law enforcement resources on victimless crimes when there are lots of thefts, robberies and rapes that could be investigated in greater depth instead of being dumped into cold case files. Some of the money saved from not imprisoning perpetrators of victimless crimes could be spent on longer sentences for thieves, robbers and rapists. Their perspective is that the state should not be shoehorned into the parental role - that role is best performed by each individual's actual parents.

Unfortunately too many parents are no more mature than their offspring. A few years back the 'state' of Missouri, had to restrict driver licenses for 16 year old new drivers graduated up to the age of 18. WHY because the stupid parents ignored and neglected to supervise their own children.

My exposure to dopers is limited but there is a wasteland of burned up minds creeping and crawling all across this land. There is no liberty in burning up ones brains. What is the cost of to tax payers caring for and coping with fried brains?

36 posted on 11/16/2012 4:16:33 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Reaganite Republican
TO All Intellectually Challenged Republicans Who Think That Republicans Are Owed the Libertarian Vote:

Every time a Republican loses an election some whiney Republican cheerleader comes out of the woodwork and rather than blame the candidate that lost, blames the libertarians because they didn't vote Republican. Well I have a bit o news for ya Jack:

As one of the other posters pointed out, Libertarians are not Republicans. Think about it.

AND, because they're NOT Republicans, why do you think that they should vote for Republican candidates? From a Libertarian perspective there isn't a whole lot of difference between the two major parties. Both are hell bent on increasing the size of government and making it more intrusive. Think back as to who gave us the

  1. Full auto ban
  2. Senior drug give away
  3. No child left behind
  4. Ethanol as a motor fuel
to name just a few of the moronic/statist things that Republicans did. The reason that Libertarians vote their consciences rather than some statist Republican is because Republicans DON'T REPRESENT THEIR VALUES. You might as well chide Democrats for not voting Republican.

Until the Republicans decide to stop embracing socialism and being Democrats Lite and actually represent CONSERVATIVE values, then don't expect Libertarians to vote for anyone BUT libertarians. You don't expect Republicans to vote Libertarian do you? SO why the hell should you expect Libertarians to vote Republican?

It seems a pretty simple concept, but one that eludes many Republicans.

37 posted on 11/16/2012 4:17:43 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: corkoman

>>Why is the Nanny-State OK when it is Republicans issuing the marching orders?

Most of the comments by the rock-ribbed conservatives in this thread are incredible. Have we really become such totalitarians that we are ready to kick the libertarians out over the failed and useless “War on Drugs”? We have to face facts: we lost this election over vagina issues (abortion and birth control). We could have beaten the blacks and hispanics, if we had not scared away the single white female vote. We could learn a lot about real conservatism from the libertarians.


38 posted on 11/16/2012 4:19:16 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Utmost Certainty
Maybe the GOP ought to work on being inclusive to the Libertarian-minded folks instead of kicking them out? Just a thought.

I've always thought that, too. Even when I was still a Republican, I didn't like the way so-called conservatives crapped all over Libertarians instead of courting them.

39 posted on 11/16/2012 4:19:30 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Yeah, right. We all know the GOP losses wouldn't possibly have a damned thing to do with kicking the "Social" conservatives under the bus for the umpteenth time.

Maybe some of the Conservatives out there who value their values more than the 'elephant brand' had just had enough.

The GOP ran the most liberal candidate they had. If Ron Paul was more liberal, and the GOP (now) thinks it needs to be more "moderate" (read:LIBERAL) then why didn't the GOP run Ron Paul? Obviously, he would have gotten more votes if the analysis and claims here are correct.

You can't have it both ways, but We can clearly see: It is every one elses' fault.

Not the GOP,

Not the people who have thrown pro-lifers, pro liberty, pro-Constituion , anti-police state people under the bus EVERY ELECTION SINCE REAGAN!

You figured the guy from the other side was enough to drive people to the polls to vote for the candidate who was last on this side of their list? Kinda 'hopey/changey stratergy, ain't it?

How dumb do you think the people are?

We can plainly see the ongoing march toward totalitarianism, no matter which party is in power, right foot, left foot, all in the same direction.

Talk about an "Entitlement Mentality"!

The GOP isn't entitled to anyone's vote just because their candidate smells a little less like crap than the other guy.

You reach a point where people won't vote for either. Some of the American people spoke: "None of the Above", some protested the Major party tickets, and voted third party.

That is the Right of every American, right down to writing in their grandma if they so choose.

In a POTUS election year, if you want votes down ticket, you run someone at the top who will get the base out.

That did not happen. So just what did you expect?

The GOP has been tossing the base under the bus throughout the campaign, and here you are, instead of courting the libertarian (small 'l') vote for the future, you're putting the boots to people who voted their conscience, blaming them for YOUR loss. You think that is going to bring people into the GOP tent? Not without a firebrand.

When you folks are done in the blame-placing echo chamber, turn out the lights. We won't wait up for you.

40 posted on 11/16/2012 4:19:52 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Utmost Certainty

The only way to attract libertarians is to throw the socons under the bus. Ain’t gonna happen. Libertarians either need to get their priorities in order or go caucus with the Democrats. Last I heard the Donks like wacky weed and hate religious folk. Should be a nice fit. Be sure to watch you wallet, though.


41 posted on 11/16/2012 4:20:32 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

You are right, because republicans should get every vote that is not for a democrat, no matter how out-of-touch, liberal, or careerist politician they are.

How dare these people vote for the candidate that most closely matches their political views.

Don’t these voters see the price of sticking to their principals!


42 posted on 11/16/2012 4:23:18 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Some people vote their conscience, and others vote 3rd party to send a message to the GOP.

In either case, they obviously weren’t going to vote for the GOP candidate no matter what.

I can’t stand Ron Paul and his followers, but I voted for Gary Johnson because I wasn’t voting for Obama or his GOP doppelgänger. Now, I live in NY where it wasn’t a contest anyway, but I’d have done the same had I live in Ohio or Florida.


43 posted on 11/16/2012 4:25:00 AM PST by risen_feenix
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To: napscoordinator

You know, as well as I, that he was ‘elected’ by corruption of the election process, not by real Conservative popular vote... it wasn’t an accident. (Open Primaries, for example).


44 posted on 11/16/2012 4:26:36 AM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: risen_feenix

I honestly wanted to send the same message... but I gave in in the end and voted RR... not happy at all having to do it to save what’s left of OUR Country (get the queer muzzy out of the position of going full steam ahead on destroying it (USA)). Didn’t work out too well though :/


45 posted on 11/16/2012 4:31:24 AM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Reading through the posts on this thread, I see a lot of emotional name-calling and finger-pointing by Republicans and some reasonable responses by libertarian-minded people.

The GOP has completely lost its way. You’ve turned into your own biggest enemy.


46 posted on 11/16/2012 4:31:41 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Utmost Certainty; xzins

Libertarians are more reminiscent of original ‘true conservatives’.

Spirited: Nothing could be further from reality. While a handful of the Founders were Deists, most were Christian even if only nominally. All of them adhered to unique spiritual foundations specific to the Bible such as for example, the Bibles definition of man created in the likeness of the triune God, meaning that man is a tripartite being: spirit (mind, will, conscience), soul (self), body.

Within the context of this view property rights begin with the spiritual, not the temporal.

Modern Libertarianism has its roots in polytheistic positivism, whose father is the madman Comte and in Ayn Rand’s materialism, Modern materialism has its roots in ancient Egypt and in certain Greek nature philosophers such as Epicurus.

Common to both views is naturalism. Naturalism denies the existence of the living triune God and posits spontaneously generated matter (generated from nothing) as its’ source of being....life, consciousness. However, spontaneous generation was disproved over 100 years ago, which means naturalism has no source whatever for life, consciousness, and mind. And this is precisely why materialists like Richard Dawkins are quietly moving away from spontaneous generation and toward extraterrestrials in the hope that they are the sowers of life on our planet. Of course this position merely moves the unresolvable problem of the origin of life out into deep space.

For many long years Libertarians have loudly boasted of their reason while ridiculing the faith of Christians. However, the brutal reality for Libertarians is this: Christians have a living Source of life and mind. But Libertarians, evolutionary materialists (i.e., dialectical materialists, secular humanists) and polytheistic pantheists(i.e., positivists, spiritual transhumanists) have no source for life and mind,. For them, life and mind are like the Kings’ new clothes-—nonexistent.


47 posted on 11/16/2012 4:40:52 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: from occupied ga

Well said.


48 posted on 11/16/2012 4:42:02 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: Reaganite Republican

The GOP should have learned to be more fiscally conservative after 1992 and 1996, when disaffected conservatives pulled the lever for Ross Perot rather than go for “Democrat Lite”, giving us Bill Clinton as a result.

They haven’t. No matter how many times the lose with “Democrat Lite”, they keep trotting them out. Well, you get what you deserve.


49 posted on 11/16/2012 4:46:45 AM PST by risen_feenix
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To: EricT.

Every time I see these old farts throw around the term “losertarian” and “liberaltarian” I can’t help but picture a pot-bellied old man wearing jean shorts (the pockets full of Werther’s candies), a t-shirt featuring a bald eagle, and a visor.


50 posted on 11/16/2012 4:49:09 AM PST by olcurmudgeon
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