Skip to comments.Movie Review: The Lincoln Movie is Propaganda
Posted on 11/18/2012 11:43:36 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
With only a limited theatrical release last week, Steven Spielbergs latest work of imaginative fiction is scheduled for wide release today. I know Hollywood plays fast and loose with history, but when they go out of their way to get the wallpaper in Lincolns office exactly right, and use a recording of his actual watch as the sound effect for his movie watch, but pay little deference to his actual statements or opinions something must be said.
People are seriously calling the Lincoln movie a much needed civics lesson. In reality its essentially a 2.5 hour courtroom drama about slavery that never happened. Reviews everywhere celebrate the performance of Daniel Day-Lewis in the title role, and he should be celebrated. He stunningly and artfully brought the fictional character of our grade school textbooks to life.
The film focuses entirely on the final years of Lincolns life, from the tail end of the war to his inevitable assassination (spoiler alert). Lincoln and his dagger-tongued Cabinet bicker about how to end the war and slavery at the same time. The Confederates want to negotiate a peace, and so does Lincoln, but see theyve just got to end slavery before the war ends, not after because well no reason really.
Starting the story at the end allows the writers to conveniently ignore the uncomfortable history that lead up to it. Sort of how Passion of the Christ allowed Mel Gibson to ignore anything Jesus actually taught. Heres some of what was suspiciously left out.
Before the movie began Lincoln imposed a blockade on Southern ports with no declaration of war from Congress. He suspended habeas corpus, which is the protection against unlawful imprisonment. When a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court called this unconstitutional Lincoln signed his own arrest warrant for the Justice...
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The Lincoln Movie is Propaganda
so that means it’s the Oscar winner this year
>>The film focuses entirely on the final years of Lincolns life, from the tail end of the war to his inevitable assassination (spoiler alert).<<
Lincoln was assassinated???? Didn’t see that one comin!
"Final years of Lincoln's life?" That time frame (end of war to assassination) would consist of a few weeks.
“Lincoln was assassinated????”
Don’t they teach the shot missed.... ;-)
Cloud Atlas is Pro-Homosexual, Anti-Oil, it too will be in the running for the Oscar.
I gather this is by Davi Barker, the Muslim activist, rather than David Barker, the anti-Muslim activist? Maybe they're the same guy.
does he kill any vampires in this one?
If I did in-depth research on every author before I posted a thread, I might do 5 a month.
“so that means its the Oscar winner this year”
Theeeeerrre ya go. It isn’t about the truth, it is about fame and fortune for Hollywierd.
The left truly wants to destroy the icons of this country. It’s about destroying the patriotism and reverence that Americans once had for their country, and replacing it with worship of the gods of liberalism.
This article is a disgusting mixture of left wing and pro confederacy propaganda.
Anyone who knows the Lincoln and Civil War history will recognize all the best known Lincoln quotes- misused again and again.
I’ll just pick one of the best known leftist distortions- that the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t free any slaves because it only applied to the states still in rebellion.
Sure, if one overlooks the fact an enormous Union Army was in all out war with the South, was not going to stop until every inch of the South was repatriated, and that meant all the slaves in the entire South would be-and gee- WERE FREED! Yes Lincoln exempted the parts of the South then converted to the Union side, but the idea that slavery would survive the war in those tiny areas would have been a fantasy.
So yes, Lincoln freed all the slaves, by the EP and most importantly by war.
Many years ago in our history class we were taught the primary reason for the war between the states was the issue of “states rights”.
And boo hoo, nasty Lincoln attacked the poor Confederacy, and all those nice guys did was split the USA in two so as to protect that wonderful institution of slavery. /s
The author of this article is an idiot as well as an A hole.
Yes, Lincoln walked a fine line as he was in a very different time and was being accused of wanting intermarriage, etc. However, if one understands Lincoln’s history, they know for example that the South seceded BECAUSE Lincoln was elected, because he was going to oppose slavery in new states, which meant the South would be outvoted in Congress and slavery would be doomed.
Slavery was ended in all the states in rebellion by reason of the Emancipation Proclamation. (Just to tidy things up, loyalist state governments organized in the occupied parts of Virginia, Louisiana and elsewhere freed the slaves in those places.)
The Emancipation Proclamation provided for the freeing of all slaves with compensation to owners in the loyal areas, if the military age men among them joined the Union Army. (The usual signing bonus was paid to the master.) As a practical matter, this provision ended slavery in the loyal areas, as well as the rebellious areas.
As for tidying things up in the loyal areas:
Slavery was ended in the District of Columbia, a territory of the U.S., by Act of Congress.
Slavery was ended in Missouri (a Union slave state) by reason of General John C. Fremont, as Commander of the Army of the West, when he ended the so-called true by which that state was to be neutral, and installed a loyalist state government, and that state government ended slavery. Lincoln was aghast at this act (although he would himself invoke military necessity in issuing the Emancipation Proclamation), and relieved Fremont. Fremont was later appointed Commander of the Army in West Virginia, and did well - for a Union man - against a certain Southern general in that place. You may have heard about this fellow, General Stonewall Jackson (this was before he got his nickname).
Slavery was ended in Kentucky (another a Union slave state) by reason of an amendment to the state Constitution, passed by the necessary majorities in each chamber of the state legislature.
Slavery was ended in Maryland (another Union slave state) similarly by reason of an amendment to the state Constitution. In this case, ratified by the people by popular vote, the absentee military votes being crucial. (Whenever I think of the absentee military vote, I think about these votes. The absentee military votes are very precious to me.)
The only place I don’t know about is Delaware. But, this Union slave state only had 500 slaves to begin with. I just suppose each of them was freed via one or another expedient, thus making the issue moot. I suppose one day, I’ll nail this one down.
To my satisfaction, the 13th Amendment - which is the focus of the movie - did not free one single person from slavery. It’s purpose was and remains to establish a Constitutional principle. In fact, that principle allows slavery (we would say ‘servitude’ so as to distinguish it from American Negro Slavery), in the case of debtors in default and criminals, which is quite traditional in history.
It is a slander on white people to not recognize that we did what was right by our fellow human beings when we had the opportunity. But, a fair presentation of history is not the agenda of the other side. Presenting the good along with the bad, and letting the reader judge for himself, that’s not it. Showing that all of us are sinners and yet capable of rising above sin. Showing that there are many heroes, most of whom are not named in the history books. Showing that people are often torn between competing loyalties.
There are some really good things in this movie, but it is not the movie I would have made. Civil Wars just don’t really support the easy narrative that some of us are holy and others of us evil. Civil Wars are often grounded in making differences into moral imperatives as opposed to differences about which we might seek to resolve either through bargaining or by appeal to the humanity of others.
Well that's because it was. Nobody in the North was going to volunteer to fight the war to free the slaves. After they became conscripts, the emancipation proclamation came out. Some coincidence. Oh did I mention the draft riots that ensued? Maybe Producer Schpielturd failed to read about that.
Hope your mom is doing better.
Why did Spielberg stop short of Star Date 5906.4?
A coworker went to see it in the Peoples Republic of Montgomery County MD, where no lunatic leftwing idea is considered untenable. She recounted that the audience applauded and cheered at the conclusion of the movie, which told me it was nothing more that Marxist historical revisionism
Liberals love Lincoln. The CW is the only time liberals cheer for “the USA”.
Think about that for a bit.
I think this is a nice concise article hitting on all points about why this war isn’t all it’s cracked up to be by Yankees, those who got the spoils and the authorship of the history.
It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties."
--- Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864, writing on what would happen if the Confederacy were to be defeated.
The left truly wants to destroy the icons of this country. Its about destroying the patriotism and reverence that Americans once had for their country, and replacing it with worship of the gods of liberalism.
I’ll wait for netflix or Block Buster. I don’t spend an extra penny on Spielbergs movies.
“So yes, Lincoln freed all the slaves, by the EP and most importantly by war.”
An excellent summation of Lincolnism.
So the next time that some President decides that a moral imperative is being ignored he can just issue a Proclamation outlawing the practice and then kill any of the recalcitrant public by using the army.
So if Obama decides that one of his pet ideas is a moral imperative he simply needs to produce a Proclamation to that effect and demand that it be done. No need for passing a law by Congress or anything. And when some of the American people object they can be shot down by the army.
What’s not to like about that? He might get his own Marble Temple in downtown Washington DC like another semi-divine President.
It’s a far stretch to call this movie propaganda. Nobody is going to see this movie for a history lesson on the Civil War and this movie doesn’t even attempt that. This movie is a dramatization of the last 4 months of Lincolns life and his final push for the passage of the 13th amendment.
The movie had moments of weakness. The overly long camera shot of a Black maid, or a few black soldiers — it can be largely forgiven just to see one of the finest acting $6.50 matinee ticket can buy.
Don’t be jaded. Treat yourself for some intense acting by Daniel Day Lewis and just enjoy it because the only thing we’re sure that’s the movie gets correct is the 13th amendment passed and Lincoln was assassinated and the South Lost the war.
The Southern soldiers were motivated to fight because of:
3) defense of hearth and home (and property)
4) national rights
5) Southern independence
6) survival as a nation and way of life
7) liberation of the nation from invaders
12) higher cause
15) right of self-defense
16) instinct of self preservation
17) territorial instinct
Well, my K-12 Lutheran school didn’t make any bones about it, the war was about Slavery. The 10th amendment only applied because the south thought the 10th amendment allowed them slavery.
Now I like the 10th amendment and would like to see the Federal government weakened by repeal of certain provision of the 17th amendment, which would strengthen ‘States Rights’.
But lets be real here, Neither Slavery nor Abortion are 10th amendment issues. It’s just common decency.
I’m of the opinion the Civil War was God’s judgement on our nation for the institution of slavery making a mockery of the liberty declared in our founding document (a sin paid for in blood makes one wonder how much blood God will require for the sin of abortion?).
That said - the historical revisionism we’ve mostly been subject to is amazing. The war itself did not begin over the abolition of slavery. The reason for the South seceding was not because they wanted to keep slavery alive. Lincoln did not raise up troops to invade his own country because of slavery.
What year and month did the war begin?
And then, what year and month was the Emancipation Declaration given?
Then ask yourself WHY did Lincoln wait until then to give the Emancipation Declaration?
The answer is found in the fact Lincoln was losing support for the War - in the North, where sentiment was growing to let the Confederacy go.
As to the war itself - had Lee listened to General Longstreet ins tea dog letting his pride of invincibility take over his judgment, the war would have ended much differently.
I have no desire to see Hollywood’s political usage of Lincoln to further the racial divide in this country.
Corrrected above to state:
As to the war itself - had Lee listened to General Longstreet instead of letting his pride of invincibility take over his judgment, the war would have ended much differently.
I hate the anticipatory text function that respells words it thinks you intended instead of typed when you hit one wrong key.
Husband and I went to see the movie, which we rarely go see movies. I am a history buff.
It showed, if nothing else, how the Repubicans voted for the EP and showed the Democrats referring to the Negroes using the N word. I personally thought- I hope some people in the audience learned that Republican Party fouht to end slavery. The audience did clap and laugh at the statements the Democrats were making, not to anything the Republicans were saying...
Democrats have stolen Republican history as far as the blacks. Our Party was the first to sit Blacks in Congress. If you get a chance go to Black Republican website, quite a lesson there.
“Sort of how Passion of the Christ allowed Mel Gibson to ignore anything Jesus actually taught. Heres some of what was suspiciously left out.”
Gibson did the Stations of the Cross. Any reviewer that can’t grasp such a simple fact about a movie can’t be trusted to evaluate simple facts about other movies.
I love Daniel Day-Lewis.
He is a very talented actor.
I will not be paying to see “Lincoln”.
If I want to see the truth of the conscripts and riots, I’ll watch him in “Gangs Of New York”, instead.
Exactly... This article is a far bigger pile of crap than anything Hollywood could produce.
The teachers that fed you that BS did you no favors.
Spin, spin, spin.
It’s strictly Spielberg cheerleader and studio spin that this movie is doing well.
For a movie that needs to make $200 million to go into profit, $20 million is not a good opening weekend.
No one happy with this number.
Pithy little platitudes.
We would be cheering a Republican President declaring an Fetus-emancipation proclamation and fight tooth and nail to make it so — meanwhile the Democrats would be saying it’s not about abortion, it’s about the children when in fact it really is *about* the children, only not their version of the Children.
I’ll wait for the new blu-ray “Gone with the Wind.”
A much better idea!
Thank God somebody else thought War Horse was a joke.
Spielberg’s glory days are over.
[such as they were]
All he can do now is jerk tears out of viewers by tortuous force, if necessary.
Also, Lincoln freed no one with his proclamation. Slavery was constitutional. Bad, yes, but constitutional. If his proclamation ended slavery, then why do we have the 13th amendment?
Sounds like what we face with Obamacare...
And the jack-booted thugs will be in charge.
I would go out of my way to not watch it.
We are already bombarded with constant propaganda, I have no intention of paying to watch more.
As you said platitudes are not helpful. The truth is that the civil war was about states rights. However, one of those rights had to do with slavery. The vast majority of southerners would probably have given up the institution of slavery if it meant that the u.s. would have left the confederacy alone (especially if the war had not started until the cotton gin was in widespread use). However the wealthy minority of plantation owners would never accept it and they had most of the influence.
Furthermore, if the issue of slavery was off the table- the north would still have fought just as hard to keep the south from leaving. One majpr difference would be that the south might have been able to obtain england as an ally as england was very antislavery at the time. That may have made a difference, although I doubt it.
I think the lessons to take from that unfortunate time in history is to wait until you have a good chance at success before you attempt independence, don’t let emotion get in the way of judgement before going to war, be realistic about your chances, and if the timing isn’t right the you continue to prepare until it is. Also make damn sure that what you are fighting for is worth it.
After reading the history of the revolutionary war, i’ve come to the conclusion that the rebels (washington, franklin, et al.) were very lucky. England did some very stupid things and misread the situation in north america- if they hadn’t the east coast and probably more would still be under the crown now.
Too many people want to play the “ends justify the means” game when it comes to Lincoln.
The Civil War is the most shameful event in American history, and the blame lies on both sides.
I’m not sure at this point that the America we grew up in was the America of the Founders.
The more I learn about the history of our Founding, the more I realize just how far we have strayed.
And I like these quotes, which i believe are valid:
Abraham Lincoln (18091865. 16th President from 1861 to 1865; led his country through its greatest constitutional, military and moral crisis the American Civil War preserving the Union while ending slavery, and promoting economic and financial modernization) It is the duty of nations, as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord...
But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious Hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced be some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!
It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.
Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.
All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope, authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace. (Proclamation for National Day of Humiliation, Fasting, and Prayer; http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/ProclamationNationalFastDay.html)
Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land, are still competent to adjust in the best way all our present difficulties. (A Compilation of the Messages and Papers of the Presidents, 1789-1897, James D. Richardson, editor [Published by Authority of Congress, 1899), Vol. VI, p. 11, from his First Inaugural, March 4, 1861])
That every man may receive at least a moderate education, and thereby be enabled to read the histories of his own and other countries, by which he may duly appreciate the value of our free institutions, appears to be an object of vital importance, even on this account alone, to say nothing of the advantages and satisfaction to be derived from all being able to read the Scriptures, and other works both of a religious and moral nature for themselves. (The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Roy P. Basler, editor [New Jersey: Rutgers University Press, 1953], Vol. I, p. 8, from his "Communication to the People of Sangamo County," March 9, 1832)
[Attributed] As a ruler I doubt if any president has ever shown such trust in God, or in public documents so frequently referred to Divine aid. Often did he remark to friends and to delegations that his hope for our success rested in his conviction that God would bless our efforts, because we were trying to do right. To the address of a large religious body he replied, "Thanks be unto God, who, in our national trials, giveth us the Churches." To a minister who said he hoped the Lord was on our side, he replied that it gave him no concern whether the Lord was on our side or not "For," he added, "I know the Lord is always on the side of right;" and with deep feeling added, "But God is my witness that it is my constant anxiety and prayer that both myself and this nation should be on the Lord's side." (Rev. Matthew Simpson, D.D, May 4, 1865, Funeral address, Methodist Episcopal Church, Springfield, Illinois; http://beck.library.emory.edu/lincoln/sermon.php?id=simpson.001)
Thank you for your informed post and balance
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