Some real solutions for making schools safer.

Vanity | 12-20-2012 | servo1969

[servo1969]

OK. What are your real solutions to make schools' "Gun Free" zones safer? The current policies are as useful as the TSA - they only give the illusion of safety while actually accomplishing nothing.

I think there are a few different changes that can be made both to the schools and the policies in place. I've tried to limit it to things which aren't really that noticeable to the students. My idea was to make them safer without making things look all that different.

First of all the doors should lock when closing and people should need to be buzzed in. I know, I know. A lot of the schools were already doing this and then stopped because it became too much of a hassle. Well, make it so that it's not a pain at all. Rearrange things so that it's simple and no big deal to follow the rules. If the door is not visible from the desk then install a good camera and intercom if necessary.

How about a little ballistic film on the entrance and exit door windows? If the money is available you could even put some on the classroom doors. You might not even have to replace the glass you have currently. A high quality film on both sides might keep someone out or at least slow them down long enough for the faculty to execute their planned response.

And when I say response I mean various things. The faculty and students should drill at least once a month for this sort of thing. But, once again, it doesn't have to be a big deal to the kids. Call it a fire drill or an earthquake drill or whatever you wish. Only the faculty needs to be concerned with the full aspects of the drill.

The planned response to an armed intruder should be both passive AND aggressive.

The passive should at the very least include calling 911(duh), locking doors and sending the kids to the areas of the rooms that have the least line of sight for any bad guy. All of this should be part of the drills. These passive actions are probably in place at most schools already. And none of them will stop an armed intruder who is truly determined to kill.

So that's where the aggressive response comes into play. The only real thing that will stop a killer is to severely injure or kill him. Up till now the killers have always had the advantage. There has been nobody in the schools who can oppose them with any real force. That needs to change.

Some people may opt for armed guards but guards are expensive and stand-out in the crowd. I think the teachers and other faculty in the schools should be utilized as armed security. Now, I know what some will say. "My kid's teacher is an idiot! Now you want her to be an armed idiot, as well?" Listen, I've seen my share of stupid teachers but that doesn't mean they're necessarily dangerous. And besides, I'm not suggesting we just say "Hey, if anybody wants to bring a gun to school, knock yourself out!"

The teachers should have to volunteer to carry on the job. There should not be any extra pay for doing so. That way only the people who really want to carry will bother. They should have to attend classes by the NRA or police dept. and qualify with the gun they will carry. This qualification should expire every 90 days or so. Then they must re-qualify at the appropriate facility. If they violate a school policy or seem to be acting a bit 'iffy' in some way their permit can be revoked. They won't lose any money if this happens because they weren't being paid for it in the first place. They just won't be allowed to carry at work until they satisfy some guideline or another.

Now, like I mentioned awhile ago, all of this should be 'under the radar' so to speak as far as the kids are concerned. The people who carry should do so safely and discretely.
The students should see nothing but this:


While their security remains quietly just out of sight:




Now I wouldn't recommend thigh holsters for teachers in elementary schools. There's too many kids grabbing the teachers around the legs and the whole idea is for the kids to be completely unaware of the guns. It shouldn't even come up in conversation any more than necessary.


So, to re-cap: Harden the building just a little, have a plan for an armed attacker and practice it, and use some of the people you have on the job as armed security. These are just a few ideas I had. I expect many people will disagree with them. Maybe some will sound good. Something needs to change and I can't see how taking guns away from people who have never hurt or threatened anyone will make children any safer. But, then again, safety is not really the point of gun control no matter what certain politicians may say.

[fattigermaster]

Charge parents $1000 per child per year for public schooling. Give $1000 tax credit per child per year for home schooling.

[stuartcr]

What about the thousands of female teachers that don’t want to carry a firearm? If I was required to carry one, I could want my salary increased to reflect the added responsibility.

Too bad there aren’t many 25-50yo men that want to be teachers.

[Kenny]

stuartcr wrote: What about the thousands of female teachers that don’t want to carry a firearm? If I was required to carry one,Mace or tasers.

[chris37]

Put these men in schools and keep them there. All day, every day. Fortify entrances to schools and classrooms. This needs to be done in every single school. Install electronic and secondary security systems staffed by plain clothes personel who are carrying concealed.

If something is precious to you, then defend it like you mean it, otherwise, it's obviously not precious to you.

[BlueMondaySkipper]

Did you read the article? No one would be required, and any that wished to carry would be subject to proper training, etc. I would also add parents into the mix who could do the same training and help out for free on a volunteer basis. Heck, just the fact of having this ALLOWED would itself have a deterrent on attacks, even if the specific school didn't actually have anyone carrying on site.

[EQAndyBuzz]

“Too bad there aren’t many 25-50yo men that want to be teachers.”

There are. However, they would rather hire unqualified minorities to fill quotas then hire men. When I applied, I got the, “I am sorry, you are not what we are looking for” talk from administration.

[DustyMoment]

First of all the doors should lock when closing and people should need to be buzzed in. I know, I know. A lot of the schools were already doing this and then stopped because it became too much of a hassle.

Sandy Hook had already implemented this and it did not prevent Adam Lanza from getting in. He knew when the doors wete locked and entered the school shortly before the doors were locked. So, how is this a solution?

I'm starting to come down on the side of arming the teachers. Someone here at FR posted an interesting graphic that showed an armed teacher in Israel and an unarmed teacher in America. In the last 10 years in Israel, there have been 8 students killed at chool. Compare that to 323 American students killed in school in the last 10 years and tell me what works best?

[Windflier]

Probably the easiest, quickest, and most effective thing that schools can do, is to take down the "gun-free zone" signs, and replace them with signs saying,

WARNING: Adults on this campus are armed, and will use deadly force in case of threat to life.

Spread the word through internal announcements and news media.

This can be done before actually arming any teachers or administrators, and will act as an immediate deterrent against would-be assailants.

[SnakeDoctor]

I had a response ... but I forgot what it was when I saw the pictures.

SnakeDoc

[Mr. Know It All]

These are good suggestions. I’m going to share this. Thanks!

[Dead Corpse]

Start here.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1402637_The_Artemis_Project_NO_MORE_INNOCENT_VICTIMS.html&page=1

[Dead Corpse]

I’m a 43 yo IT guy in a school District. About a 1/3 of our faculty are male. One of our Principals is a current National Guard Reservist.

[Rebel_Ace]

Since Israel has a population of about 8-9 Million, and the US has about 330 million, the comparison of 8 to 323 works out to just about the same rate per capita, so I would not claim that as convincing evidence.

Not trying to start a fight, just looking at the numbers.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

I live in the totalitarian state of New York city under Despot Mike Bloomberg (luckily so far, internet is not yet banned under Despot Bloomberg so I can still write to the outside world), and what I find curious is if you wander around the city in high crowd areas like Times Square, Time Warner center, 5th avenue, you’ll almost always find cops wearing full riot gear, helmets, brandishing automatic rifles. Yet around the schools absolutely nothing like that. Not even armed guards as far as I can tell.

To me this is done on purpose by Despot Bloomberg to let the people know they are living in a police state while at the same time letting them know they have absolutely no protection when it comes to them or their children, the better to submit to the police state like cowering lambs.

Pretty curious isn’t it? We are given the reason that these cops are armed like this in these high crowd areas because of the threat of terror, yet what good are guns going to be against some Mohammed who blows up his car which was attempted quite easily a few years ago and did not succeed because the explosives malfunctioned. Estimates were at a few 1000 people dead if these explosives did go off. Under the noses of these armed cops, Mohommed simply parked his explosive laden vehicle, lit the fuse and walked calmly away. No shots, nothing.

Yet how many school shootings have their been already as compared to some place like Times square? I say all this to show this guy Despot Bloomberg is completely full of BS when it comes to protecting kids or even the people. He does not give a damn about them. It’s all about power with this guy. Holding on and expanding his power in the totalitarian state of NYC. Making sure the people are not armed so as to keep them oppressed and cowering under the thumb of his police state. Continuing to steal the money of the people, dictate lifestyles to them, how they should eat, dress, work, play and how and when they should even help the less fortunate. Yes you read that right, he confiscates food donated to the homeless.

[alloysteel]

Years ago, I recall a scene from a movie, in which the frontier schoolmarm had a little trouble with some adolecent types that were about the sixth grade or so, and were already shaving, They were giving her all kinds of grief, which she settled in a rather unique way - she produced a six-shooter and had them stand up at the front of the room, with one of the old-fashioned inkwells from the school desk, filled up, on their heads. Then, rather like William Tell, she shot the inkwells, the ink ran down over them, and the formerly truculent youngsters, with tears streaming down their cheeks, were sent home, to explain to their mothers why their heads, faces and clothes were ink-stained. For sure, they would never be able to explain this to their fathers.

Dang, I wish I could recall the title of that movie. It might have been something about Annie Oakley.

Those kids NEVER gave her any more guff.

[Dead Corpse]

Look harder at the numbers. Which of the US deaths occurred in areas/States with heavy gun control laws as compared to other areas.

It's... instructive, to say the least.

[Dick Bachert]

A few days after the tragic Sandy Hook school murders, a young Marine in fatigues stationed himself at the front entrance of the Nashville elementary school his two children attend. Another parent heard him admit to a reporter that he was unarmed. The other parent commented that, even though the young Marine standing guard was not armed, it made him “feel better” to know he was there.

It’s often been observed that “perception is more important than reality”. The observation is often correct. It is never MORE CORRECT than for those we’ve come to call “liberals”. I prefer “statist” but “liberal” has morphed from its classic meaning to the other end of the spectrum so I’ll stay with it.

Since these folks operate almost entirely on EMOTION and FEELING, REALITY seldom allows FACTS to intrude upon the delusional worldview they have constructed and the comfort that provides them. It is that illogical, irrational and delusional mindset that prompts many of them to continue to quest after a Utopian society. The thought that such a society can and will never be achieved in a fallen world populated with failed sinners never penetrates whatever remains of their cognitive consciousness. It’s a DANGEROUS WORLD and, as the liberals continue to “define deviancy down”, it becomes more dangerous daily.

There is another, far more sinister, level of the “liberal” call for gun control.

It was Mencken who offered that “The urge to save humanity is most often a false front for the URGE TO RULE.” He clearly had been a student of the liberal politicians of his day. Were he alive today and able to observe the likes of Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Obama and the rest, he’d almost certainly have used far stronger language to frame his sage observation.

To conclude, dozens of studies reveal the FACTS concerning gun control. Those FACTS are that where firearms are widely and READILY available to law-abiding citizens, CRIME GOES DOWN! The liberals who willfully ignore the FACTUAL EVIDENCE and continue to call for gun control (i.e. the DISARMING of DECENT CITIZENS, thereby denying them the ability to exercise their God-given right to self-defense) are those about whom Mencken wrote: Their goal is NOT about preserving life. It is about the hell-bent pursuit of the impossible to achieve Utopian world where all are equal but some (that’d be THEM) are MORE equal than others (that’d be US).

There are many PRO-RTKABA videos on You Tube that your often busy lives don’t allow you to find on your own. Search there for “Gun Control”, watch them – and, more importantly – SHARE THEM with the folks in your orbit.

We’re in a fight. And losing will ultimately cost us much more than our right to our guns.

Dick Bachert 12/19/2012

[stuartcr]

Would that of worked last week? would you get close enough to an armed man to use mace?

[stuartcr]

So should all those already hired minorities be armed? For years, I’ve read how freepers don’t think much of liberal, woosie teachers in our public schools, now we want them all to be armed? Or use LEOs that most here denigrate as jack-booted thugs?