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Forty years later, Vietnam remembered by the soldiers
Coach is Right ^ | 12/28/12 | Suzanne Eovaldi

Posted on 12/28/2012 9:18:19 AM PST by Oldpuppymax

Forty years later, veterans still suffer rebound effects from inhabiting thick jungles during one of America’s most brutal wars. “Inside the Vietnam War,” airs tonite, December 28 at 8 p.m., in a special encore presentation on the National Geographic Channel. An outstanding memorial tribute by USA TODAY it features individual interviews of veterans from all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Marine Security Guard, Bill Newell stood post at the US Embassy in Saigon on April 29, 1975, when he got the news that two of his fellow Marines became the last Americans to die in that terrible war. Charlie McMahon and Darwin Judge were killed by rocket fire as they defended the Saigon airport. Newell evacuated the next day in the next to last US helicopter lifting off of...

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: ismilitary; liberals; lyndonjohnson; soldiers; veterans; vietnam; vietnamvets

1 posted on 12/28/2012 9:18:28 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax
Its funny, all those years ago people like Kerry, that other Kerrey and all those other liberals. All had the biggest hate on for Vietnam.

Now they all raise their hands and say "No I was in Vietnam too!"

Hypocritical Bastards.

Me thinks the line that was cut from Ferris Beuller says it best.

FERRIS

My uncle went to Canada to protest the war, right? On the Fourth of July he was down with my aunt and he got drunk and told my Dad he felt guilty he didn’t fight in Viet Nam. So I said, “What’s the deal, Uncle Jeff? In wartime you want to be a pacifist and in peacetime you want to be a soldier. It took you twenty years to find out you don’t believe in anything?” [snaps his fingers] Grounded. Just like that. Two weeks. [pause] Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy.

2 posted on 12/28/2012 9:24:26 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Oldpuppymax
The Americans won TET in a hard fought battle. Kronkite declared the war lost and the DemoRats refunded the military to cause the pull out and loss of the war for their commie friends.
3 posted on 12/28/2012 9:43:28 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
The Americans won TET in a hard fought battle. Kronkite declared the war lost and the DemoRats refunded the military to cause the pull out and loss of the war to hand victory to their commie friends.
4 posted on 12/28/2012 9:44:53 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: KC_Lion
My uncle went to Canada to protest the war, right? On the Fourth of July he was down with my aunt and he got drunk and told my Dad he felt guilty he didn’t fight in Viet Nam. So I said, “What’s the deal, Uncle Jeff? In wartime you want to be a pacifist and in peacetime you want to be a soldier. It took you twenty years to find out you don’t believe in anything?” [snaps his fingers] Grounded. Just like that. Two weeks. [pause] Be careful when you deal with old hippies. They can be real touchy.

The draft evading Mitt Romney “I was not planning on signing up for the military.”--“It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam"

Presidential Hawk, Mitt Romney “I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there, and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam.”--“Greatness in a people, I believe, is measured by the extent to which they will give themselves to something bigger than themselves,” Romney said in a Memorial Day speech last week in San Diego.

"If it wasn't a political blunder to move into Vietnam, I don't know what is," a 23-year-old Romney would tell The Boston Globe in 1970 during the fifth year of his deferment.

5 posted on 12/28/2012 10:36:39 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: Oldpuppymax
I'll fire up the DVR for this one.In fact,if it's on DVD or Bluray I'll buy it.I served during the Vietnam era (full hitch,honorable discharge) but was never order to Southeast Asia and I never volunteered.Although I always followed orders I've felt guilty in recent years about not having volunteered.I guess it can be said that I did a little more than some guys but not *nearly* as much as others...and,very probably,not nearly as much as I should have done.Well,at least I don't have a Colonel Holmes in my past.

For those brave guys (and gals) who *did* serve there the old adage surely applies..."all gave some,some gave all".

6 posted on 12/28/2012 10:48:30 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: ansel12

Now with that Said, I do Not believe that Military Service should be a requirement to be President.

John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Calvin Coolidge, Sarah Palin et al. never served in the Military and they were and would have made fine Presidents.

And some that did Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter etc were out right terrible.

The problem arises when your ideology is at odds with America's Welfare as a nation (see Ubama and his radical friends)

7 posted on 12/28/2012 10:53:03 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Well, that was a leap, now the topic is whether military service is required for president, since when has that ever arose as a requirement? What are you posting about?

What are you defending, or trying to sell?

I was posting about the recent GOP candidate and the Vietnam war, his actions were dishonorable, cowardly, dishonest, and should have been a major obstacle to conservative, patriotic acceptance of his candidacy.


8 posted on 12/28/2012 11:40:11 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: ansel12
I was posting about the recent GOP candidate and the Vietnam war, his actions were dishonorable, cowardly, dishonest, and should have been a major obstacle to conservative, patriotic acceptance of his candidacy.

Right, I was simply stating that even though Willard dodged his Military Service to the Hilt and criticized the Vietnam War, despite never even going al la, The Ferris Bueller quote.

One does not have to Serve in the Military in order to praise it. I was merely presenting a cautionary statement, Sorry I should have made that more clear.

9 posted on 12/28/2012 11:56:28 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Will Kerry tell of that fateful Christmas day when he was dodging bullets on a swiftboat in Cambodia?


10 posted on 12/28/2012 12:15:08 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

I also remember Vietnam. I remember John Kerry coming back and LYING through his teeth about the men and women sent there!! I remember being called “killer”, “baby raper” and “doper”.

I remember a Congress that used to take their disagreements with the president out on the troops by cutting off the money to fund the war so that they could get something THEY wanted. The troops didn’t have gas to fly planes or materials to resupply troops in need of bullets and artillery shells, but the Vietnamese just kept coming at us; killing and wounding soldiers whose only means of defense was some sergeant yelling “duck!” So, a month or two later, when Congress got what they wanted, the troops were finally able to get the supplies they needed!

I remember not being able to get a job that had any future when I was 18 because I hadn’t served in the military and Uncle Sam was sure to want me. Then, after I got out, I remember not being able to get a job that had any future because I HAD served my country! And, I remember having to go back into the military to get a job that involved more than just scutwork gopher crap.

I remember Jane Fonda sitting at a North Vietnamese artillary gun wearing a NVN helmet and telling America how wonderful the North Vietnamese are and wondering why the mean American troops were trying to destroy them.

I remember Walter Cronkite going on TV right after the Tet offensive, looking Mr. and Mrs. America in the eye and LYING to them that we had lost!! That was the biggest lie ever told and caused to war to be extended for another 7 years!! How many MORE American soldiers were killed or injured in those 7 years? How many more innocent Vietnamese civilians were killed or injured in those 7 years as the result of his lies!!??

And, how do I know he lied?? Several VC and NVN generals mentioned in their biographies after the war was long over, that we had whipped them to a standstill during Tet. They were done; on the verge of capitulation . . . . . . . . . . . . until they heard Cronkite’s broadcast. It gave them new energy and demoralized the American troops.

7 years later, we were run out of Saigon like chickens running from a fox because America wasn’t committed to winning.

Yeah, I remember Vietnam every day with the injuries I received there and the tons of medication I have to take every day to control pain and discomfort. I remember troops being spit on when they returned to America, approximately 12 hours off the battlefield.

That’s the Vietnam I remember.


11 posted on 12/28/2012 12:18:22 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: KC_Lion

The thing is that Romney is anti-military, his family has been dedicated to being anti-military, since arriving in America 170 years ago.

Mitt fits that Ferris quote, except that being something like a sociopath, he doesn’t feel guilt, but a feeling of success at having lived up to his anti-American traditions, yet winning leadership over the GOP.

Obama beat him in the election, but he did implement Romney’s decades old goal of homosexualizing the military.


12 posted on 12/28/2012 12:28:39 PM PST by ansel12
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To: DustyMoment

Still don’t get why people believed Cronkite said about Tet.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 12:32:42 PM PST by AceMineral (Will work for money.)
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To: ansel12
The thing is that Romney is anti-military, his family has been dedicated to being anti-military, since arriving in America 170 years ago.

Don't forget Fleeing to Mexico in order to practice Polygamy.

Mitt fits that Ferris quote, except that being something like a sociopath, he doesn’t feel guilt, but a feeling of success at having lived up to his anti-American traditions, yet winning leadership over the GOP.

Yep, I said during the campaign Romney was Ubama with less Melanin and better hair.

14 posted on 12/28/2012 12:41:58 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: AceMineral
Still don’t get why people believed Cronkite said about Tet.

Several reasons.
1) Cronkitre had already been billed as "the most trusted man in America" long before the Tet story.
2) there was no internet to verify whether the information was true or not. In those days, as today, the media controlled what news got reported and what news didn't.
3) The media gave Kerry and Fonda intense credibility because they had "been there", plus Fonda was a celebrity. The troops were considered biased if they opposed what Kerry said. Since practically none of us had the same access to microphones and cameras that media darling Kerry did, the real story never got out because the media had gone beyond reporting to manipulating the news and Kerry was a convenient tool.

15 posted on 12/28/2012 1:04:37 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: KC_Lion

I look forward to seeing an article comparing the bizarre similarities between Obama and Romney.

No matter the issue or the topic, the similarities were uncanny, whether talking about being non-Christian, or anti-Christian, Obamacare, the military, issues like homosexuality or abortion, being foreign or exotic, being remote and out of touch, strange parents and family history, polygamy, no matter what it was, Romney and Obama had a lot in common.


16 posted on 12/28/2012 1:13:22 PM PST by ansel12
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17 posted on 12/28/2012 8:34:19 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

LOL, that’s a keeper.


18 posted on 12/28/2012 9:40:56 PM PST by ansel12
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To: KC_Lion; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Well said!


19 posted on 12/29/2012 5:37:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
Johnson's war. Started by Kenndy.

Two democRATs.

Enough said.

5.56mm

20 posted on 12/29/2012 5:47:15 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe
Kenndy=Kennedy

Sheesh.

5.56mm

21 posted on 12/29/2012 6:01:34 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: KC_Lion
My uncle went to Canada

Back in 2003 I was waiting in baggage pickup at Detroit Metro airport, having just returned from a ski trip to British Columbia. There was a girl waiting with me who was on her way back to college somewhere in Ohio.

We got to talking and she proceeded to tell me that her parents were originally from the U.S. but fled to British Columbia when her dad got his draft notice. She was talking as if it was somehow a badge of honor, not knowing that I was a Vietnam vet who had enlisted.

I was stunned and didn’t say a word. The more she talked the angrier I got and while driving home from the airport I started yelling all the things I should have said to her in person……..People like that make me sick

22 posted on 12/29/2012 7:03:35 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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