Posted on 02/09/2013 5:19:56 PM PST by marktwain
I am a certified firearms instructor who has taught CCW classes in Arizona since the beginning of the CCW program there in 1994. As we are on the border with California, I watch the developments there with some interest. Unfortunately, nearly everything that I have read and heard about the LAPD and guns has lead me to distrust them.
I had numerous students who had dealings with the LAPD. I started hearing stories about how guns were seized, even if there were no crime involved. If an officer came across a gun, it was seized, and it would not be returned until the LAPD received a court order demanding that it be returned. As hiring a lawyer to obtain a court order could easily cost thousands of dollars, very few people even tried, as the cost was far more than the firearms were worth. This is legalized theft.
The practice has finally been challenged in court, and the Ninth Circuit has ruled that the under the fourth amendment, LAPD cannot simply steal firearms that are lawfully owned. The government is appealing the decision in Messerschmidt v. Millender.
I have also heard of California police who stop someone that has a firearm in their vehicle, who may have violated one of the many arcane firearms laws of the State. If the officer is being charitable, he may allow the individual to simply give the gun to him, rather than face felony charges.
The crowning moment came for me when I was describing the practice to a class of students, and one of them said "My brother is an LAPD police officer, and he has an amazing collection of firearms. Citizens just gave them to him to dispose of."
This is the stuff of third world dictatorships.
The other practice that made me distrust the LAPD has been their scofflaw attitude toward court orders to administer the California CCW program as the law requires. They have failed to do this for 17 years, even though ordered to do so by the court. The Court order was originally obtained by a legal action won by the Second Amendment Foundation. In the intervening years two more amended judgements of declaratory relief were signed. A current appeal to enforce the court order is in the works from the National Rifle Association and the California Rifle and Pistol Association.
When the LAPD engages in systematic legalized theft, and refuses to follow court orders to uphold the law, when they routinely fail to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, even though they have taken an oath to do so, they have lost my trust.
Dean Weingarten
Link to NRA update: Messerschmidt v. Millender
Link to NRA update, CCW process enforcement appeal
They can’t shoot straight either!
Or as Obama would say, “evolved”.
Wow! Dirty cops. What a surprise. You can repeat this story for Chicago and New Orleans as well, that I am aware of. Two completely useless departments.
I lost respect for them one rainy earl morning they made me get out of my truck stand in the rain while they ran my info after the Rodney King celebrations the cops were both black I was and still am a very obvious atoe head
In the way that ‘big government’ is bad, so is ‘big police’ and for the same reasons. Too much power.
Which is why police should be jailed when they break the law.
It isn’t hard to figure out why Christopher Dorner is becoming a folk hero to a lot of people.
A real-life Jason Bourne?
“This is the stuff of third world dictatorships.”
In California, it’s not going to get better.
It will soon get worse. Much worse.
This is how it’s going to go in the “new-slavery states” — the “blue” states.
Conservatives should get themselves into the remaining “free states” while the gettin’s good.
I wish there was more resolute advice to offer. Sadly, at this point in our nation’s history, there seems to be little else to do but for conservatives to vote with their feet. In places like California, voting at the ballot box no longer works.
Everyone beware, these cops are scared and they are going to shoot first and investigate later. They have immunity and the city pays .... so shoot first and investigate later.
I'm sure ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner has accumulated a similarly amazing collection. We may be hearing all about it over the next month or so.
Charlie Sheen reaches out to ex-LAPD officer accused in killings.
[ Libs create yet another killer ]
Fox News | 2-9-13 | fox new
Posted on 02/09/2013 5:17:44 PM PST by NoLibZone
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2986988/posts
When the NY State Police went on their dog and pony show touting the SAFE law it was amazing to see the trooper in action. He had no compunction about how tis was an infringment on our rights...he saw it as another opportunity to be SUPER COP.
I was stunned. An Oathkeeper he was not.
Self ping
Putting >50 rounds into a non-descriptive p/u without a warrant is a real legal problem. That an occupant haw been severely impacted by retarded LEO’s is a Constitutional issue.
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