Posted on 02/23/2013 8:25:14 PM PST by Rig4Dive
The Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal report that President Obama and at least 8 Senators are now calling for a National ID Card, with a computer chip and other biometric features...
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Yeah, because my drivers license, birth certificate, passport just aren’t enough. I
WHAT IF IT CAN BE USED FOR VOTER ID? U know the Dems will be against it.
What a jackass. We can’t require proof of. Citizenship to vote, but they want me to carry a National ID with biometric indicators? What’s that acronym I keep seeing here?
Oh yeah. FUBO!!!!!!
“Papers, please” used to be a codeword for the worst communist dictatorships.
Let’s call it a voter ID card. Can’t vote without it and also records if a person voted so no double dipping.
then I want the Federal Government to stay the hell out of my personal life...I'll pay what I owe and nothing more...I am so sick of this bunch of thugs and crooks running this country...demand voter ID...and one vote per person...
There’s a passport ID card. Isn’t that what they want. Or did I just pay $20 for crap?
Yeah...well I WANT Democrats to disappear....
Oh, yeah...and I WANT background checks on ALL ELECTED officials....BEFORE they are elected
WHAT IF IT CAN BE USED FOR VOTER ID? U know the Dems will be against it
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I really thought ‘they’ would have brought this up when ‘we’ were really pushing the voter ID plan.
I definitely would have, it would have been a perfect time, ‘YOU want voter ID, well we will just go back to the National ID’, which (with quite a few exceptions) those of us that want voter ID don’t want a National ID...
Kind of like the R’s are (were) against abortion but also against welfare etc.....I meant the ‘irony’ is definitely there.
Of course, since I don’t want to leave ‘anyone’ out those
that think abortion is ‘fine’ also (with quite a few exceptions) think executing a mass murderer is wrong - Unless it is a crime against ‘the chosen people’ (McVeigh), then it is fine.
Also, attempt to assassinate say R. Reagan and we should let the shooter have weekends off, guarantee if someone were to try the same with the pResent occupant, it will be off to the nearest lamppost with a rope.....
What will be the rules about having it on your person? Can a computer chip make you GPS trackable?
What do they mean by “biometric”...so many questions.
I went through an INS check point in AZ and showed the passport ID card. They scaned it. I was good to go.
INS guy said: “You’re the first one today to have one.”
Where does this government oversight end and where will the American people draw the line, this far and no more!
I really did not believe the American people would sit by and be stripped searched by TSA simply because they wanted to fly to other parts of the country and the world, but, they looked the other way while the government grouped them.
I will watch and see where this National ID card will take us. I won't participate, even if it means going Gault!
If only there were a single republican with a spine, he or she could easily kill this effort.
Better, they can insure that the federal government never, ever, ever requires a national ID card.
Please keep up with the times... Th law was passed n 2005.
Already you are living on borrowed time (unless you are one of 13 states). Any day now, your right to fly can be revoked by the Feds.
Here’s the facts
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Passport News!
The Department of Homeland Security has finally issued a statement regarding the deadline for the REAL ID Act of 2005.
Link: http://www.dhs.gov/news/2012/12/20/dhs-determines-13-states-meet-real-id-standards
The link takes s to here....
For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010
WASHINGTON— On December 20, 2012, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) determined that thirteen states have met the standards of the REAL ID Act of 2005 (“Act”) for driver’s licenses and identification cards and has granted a temporary deferment for all other states and territories.
Currently, DHS has determined that Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Iowa, Indiana, Maryland, Ohio, South Dakota, Tennessee, West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming have met the Act’s requirements. The Department commends these states on the substantial progress in working toward these goals and the improvements in security for state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards since 9/11.
Other states have not provided sufficient information, at this time, for DHS to determine if they meet the Act’s requirements. These states will have an opportunity to respond with additional information before DHS makes a final determination. DHS will continue to receive and review state submissions on a rolling basis.
Beginning January 15, 2013, those states not found to meet the standards will receive a temporary deferment that will allow Federal agencies to continue to accept their licenses and identification cards for boarding commercial aircraft and other official purposes.
DHS’s goal is to implement the REAL ID Act, as required by law, in a measured, fair, and responsible way. In the coming weeks and months, DHS will, in consultation with States and stakeholders, develop a schedule for the phased enforcement of the Act’s statutory prohibitions to ensure that residents of all states are treated in a fair manner. DHS expects to publish a schedule by early fall 2013 and begin implementation at a suitable date thereafter. Until the schedule is implemented, Federal agencies may continue to accept for official purposes driver’s licenses and identity cards issued by all states.
Secure driver’s licenses and identification documents are a vital component of a holistic national security strategy. Law enforcement must be able to rely on government-issued identification documents and know that the bearer of such a document is who he or she claims to be.
The REAL ID Act, passed by Congress in 2005 enacts the 9/11 Commission’s recommendation that the Federal Government “set standards for the issuance of sources of identification, such as driver’s licenses.” The Act establishes minimum security standards for license issuance and production and prohibits Federal agencies from accepting for official purposes those documents issued by a state unless DHS determines that the state meets the minimum standards.
Official purposes, as defined in statute and regulation, are accessing a Federal facility, boarding federally-regulated commercial aircraft, and entering nuclear power plants. DHS has twice modified the statutory deadline in order to allow states more time to meet the statutory requirements of the Act in a period of declining state revenues.
To assist states further in meeting this challenge, from FY2008 to 2011, DHS awarded $263 million in grants to improve the security of state identification credentials.
For more information, DHS has posted frequently asked questions on its website at http://www.dhs.gov/secure-drivers-licenses.
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Show me YOURS first, Bath-House Barry, and I’ll show you mine.
Rush reported about this on his radio show last week.
He said that as part of the “immigration reform” bill, three senators on a senate committee wanted ALL workers, not just illegals, to have a card with biometrics. Rush said, “This sounds like a National ID card.”
The three senators were identified by Rush as John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and Chuckie Schumer.
Rush also added, “Mark my words, even if there is no immigration bill, they are going to push for this card.”
That's how to kill it and salt the earth.
Pass a law that says once a universal federal ID card exists, it MUST be used as a voter ID card.
No one can claim that requiring to show a card every citizen is required to have is in any way discriminatory.
It doesn't discriminate against people too poor to drive, too poor to travel outside the country, any race, ethnic group, religion (except arguably Evangelical Christians and no one care a whit about them, do they?)
The only people who couldn't get one are people who do not have the right to vote, non-citizens.
Computer chip is not trackable by GPS but it can be used to check your passage by established sensor sites, just like a toll road transponder.
Biometric means identifiable using some unique personal body characteristic like a fingerprint, iris scan, retina scan, facial recognition scan, or for democrats, absence of a detectable brain scan.
It's worthless for flying out of the country, even to Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean. Surface travel only.
I love it....Obama voters can’t figure out how to get an I.D. card, free, from their DMV so they can vote...but now a National I.D. card will be mandatory....but how will they be able to get to the I.D. center????if they’re disabled, will someone come to their homes????if they’re unemployed, will someone else pay their way to the office???I think that we need a new program to insure that all people can get to the I.D. office to get their cards!!
Have you noticed all the positive reports being put out on Ben Affleck? He’s got some sex and drugs stories that will be coming out WHEN he runs for the senate so the media is creating a “new” person. There’s your background checks on politicians.
If they pass amnesty they won’t mind if it’s required to vote.
Course they’d say it’s a state issue as states are in charge of determining how their citizens vote.
“WHAT IF IT CAN BE USED FOR VOTER ID? U know the Dems will be against it.”
I think it is a great idea. Call it, wait for it... A passport. It’s your voter ID, divers license, passport, birth certificate, death certificate and social security card. Put a biometric in it for additional security and to prevent fraud.
Invasion of privacy? The alternative is more Obama’s.
“Show me your papers” tactics are associated with totalitarian regimes, not Free Republics.
Oh say does that star spangled banner yet wave
o’er the land of the free . . . . . . . ?
The government wants whatever you and I work and earn for ourselves because that's what governments do. It doesn't think we are entitled to anything it doesn't give us after first taking everything we have, then telling us what we will get, if it doesn't change its mind!
Doesn't anyone besides me, think the government is way far out of kilter?
It is "we the people" who are the real owners of this country (as Clint Eastwood so eloquently pointed out at the RNC Convention) and we'd best be about trimming "the government" Leviathian down to the only size proscribed by those who knew what an enemy a government would become, if given the chance.
Our founders knew that a government with boundless "rights" over its citizenry would become a dictatorship of evil tyrants!
I, for one, think that is exactly what we have!
This is something that a free nation DOES NOT NEED!!
An ENSLAVED nation, howeverm requires it so the tyrants can sleep well at night knowing exactly where the slaves are!!
This is something that a free nation DOES NOT NEED!!
An ENSLAVED nation, however, requires it so the tyrants can sleep well at night knowing exactly where the slaves are!!
I already have one. It's called a passport.
If it's good enough for all the other countries on the planet, why isn't it good enough here?
Let's require all voters to show a passport to vote.
In fact, that was one of my first vanities back in 2001 or 2002, but sadly it was lost in one of the early database crashes.
-PJ
No National ID ever, if you have a hope of saving this country!
Trading our rights to a bunch of liars and crooks for the promise of controlling our borders and preventing further invasion by foreign governments is making a bargain with Satan!
Satan was a liar in the Garden of Eden and he still is the father of lies!
Trading our natural rights to tyrants will not ever give us the security promised under the Constitution!
We are now living under martial law and we are about to lose what little freedom we have left in a very short time.
And what’s the point?
We have a Birth Certificate, Social Security Cards, Driver’s Licenses and Passports. We have a President with dubious Birth Certificates, Illegals who freely use stolen or forged Social Security Cards, and Libtard States who issue State Drivers’s licenses. With these bogus documents, anyone can get a US Passport.
So, if Congress decides to mandate yet another form of ID, it’s just a matter of months before the libtards demand that Illegal Aliens be granted this ID card too.
Yes and if it would be required to be used to prevent voter fraud it would never be passed.
The voter ID requirement is the poison pill for Federal ID.
“Biometric features” today, a list of all your registered weapons and ammunition purchases tomorrow, and, by accepting the ID, automatic implied consent to allow the sheriff to search your house the day after tomorrow.
Fair question - no. You need to have a transmitter and a battery to do this. It takes considerable power to provide this information; most of your cell phone is battery - any chip would need to have a large and continuously rechargeable battery to keep track of you over your life.
What do they mean by “biometric”
Good question. Biometric means that "You" are measured. It can be a measurement of your fingerprints, perhaps a retina scan, or something like Disney uses for Seasonal Pass holders. They take a biometric reading of your right hand - specifically the index and middle finger. This could be measurements of your finger bones, ratio of bones to knuckles, overall length of fingers, ratio between fingers, ratio of joints to joints. It's possible your sister or cousin may "look" like you; but does her hand match yours in this regard? Biometrics use these things that are unique to you - and incorporate them into your personal ID. As we age, or grow; these ratios tend to stay pretty consistent.
Fair question - no. You need to have a transmitter and a battery to do this. It takes considerable power to provide this information; most of your cell phone is battery - any chip would need to have a large and continuously rechargeable battery to keep track of you over your life.
I agree you would not be GPS trackable, but you would be trackable by a series of RFID sensors. These can have ranges which are substantially larger than you think. Hundreds of yards. They can be placed along roads and highways, and you could be tracked pretty much anywhere in an urban environment.
You can defeat the sensors by placing the card in a faraday cage (any metal can will do and in a pinch wrapping it in aluminum foil would be sufficient).
Passports already have RFID chips and companies sell special bags and wallets to carry them in. I prefer a metal can (think overgrown Altoids can) which I think is much safer.
The National-ID card could have blue-tooth. Oh Boy! Then I wouldn’t need all those different usernames and passwords any more...I could just wave my wallet at my computer and VOILA....logged on everywhere with my very own personal NID. Of course, being anonymous would be a casualty. It would be forever lost, relegated to the history books, part of the rich fabric, legend and lore of the internet story. On second thought.....
Same ol’ plot.
Just like “gun legislation”, these cards are only designed to control and track the lawful citizen, or turn them into criminals for non-compliance.
Gun laws don’t curb feral thuggery but rather enable it, so the effect a National ID card will have on illegals and vote fraud will be the same. Enhanced even.
The National ID (or refusal of one) will make life even more of a PITA for regular Americans but the lawless will as always, operate above the law.
Eh, those voting machines just spit out the desired outcome anyway. All those voters who live in the machines never need to show ID or even pop out for a smoke break.
Passports are not required for a Citizen to simply exist. This “National ID Card” would be.
The truth is that if passports as a national ID were found to be compromised for the purpose of voter fraud or medical or social security fraud, it would no longer be trusted and accepted by other countries.
That's why you'd never see passports used as national ID's.
Politicians want an internal ID that they can compromise for their purposes without concern for international treaties.
-PJ
‘altering, and grouped’ -
Probably mean alerting, and groped - -
But, yours is much funnier!
On your wrist or forehead.
won’t have to ask. with RFID they can just read it by walking past you.
I really don’t have a problem with that. Make your phone number your Social Security number. You would be stuck with it for life unless you followed the same rules for changing your name.
In this way, illegal aliens couldn’t own a phone, your identity would always be protected and voting by phone would be the way to vote.
Voting by phone would let the working man vote without taking time off or going home early.
The fun part about this would be that Obama’s vote would be that of a dead man.
I refused to provide the documents required to get my license renewed. Now I have a driver’s license with “NOT FOR FEDERAL IDENTIFICATION” on it. It’s as effective as a SS card that says “NOT TO BE USED FOR IDENTIFICATION”.
National ID cards are helpful in maintaining order - or at least that's what Obama's role model believed.
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