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Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]
birtherreport.com/You Tube ^ | March 9, 2013 | BirtherReportDotCom

Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter

Now we are finally getting somewhere. Just like Obama is ineligible technically because his fathers British Nationality 'governed' his birth status in 1961, Ted Cruz is ineligible too. Fox News has confirmed it and rightly so. Sean Hannity made a huge blunder the other day and declared Ted Cruz a natural born citizen because he was born to a American mother in Canada. He was so wrong. Cruz is a 14th Amendment U.S. 'statutory' (not natural born) citizen which is something completely different than a Article 2 Section 1 Constitutional natural born Citizen which is explicitly designed only for the presidency by the framers.


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To: HawkHogan
No court in this land would define “natural born citizen” in this way because of the uncertainty and upheaval it would create.

Your argument has nothing to do with what is correct law. It only has to do with the consequences of a judgement which people don't like. It shares this characteristic with the O.J. Simpson trial. Many predicted riots if O.J. was found guilty.

The point is irrelevant to what are the facts. We do not believe in rulings based on threats in this nation.

1,041 posted on 03/11/2013 8:19:50 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Jeff Winston

Jeff Winston is the definition of “Twisted.”

Obama is most certainly not a constitutionally qualified candidate. The son of a noncitizen cannot be a natural born citizen. A british subject by birth cannot be a natural born citizen.

A correct interpretation of the constitution requires a child of two citizen parents.

Deposit your excrement elsewhere.


1,042 posted on 03/11/2013 8:23:21 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: itsahoot
Try the birth certificate. Note the name of the hospital at the bottom. Do not quote fact check as real facts, unless you have independent corroboration, they suck for truth.

Your document is FAKE. McCain did not release a copy of his birth certificate, but he did show it to the Washington Post reporter who did this story. The Reporter verifies that it is not the document you have posted.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/john_mccains_birthplace.html

1,043 posted on 03/11/2013 8:24:33 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Mr Rogers

Yes, the dastardly deceitful ‘work’ that went into them.

It figures that one dedicated to the urban terrorist Obama would would see beauty in such devious exploits of our constitution.

Obama is precisely what Article 2, paragraph 5 was designed to protect us from. And you are precisely what defines Treason.


1,044 posted on 03/11/2013 8:29:06 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: GBA

Marvelously well stated.

I cannot imagine what these three goons have on the management of this site, that they are allowed to remain here destroying the site’s stated purpose.

There must be something like what they hold over Boehner and Roberts I presume. Pray for the Robinsons without ceasing!


1,045 posted on 03/11/2013 8:34:36 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Tau Food
It isn't totally nonsense, but when people begin to seriously believe that the voters and their electors ( who rule on candidate qualifications) are going to be swayed by references to the mind games of some Swiss elitist who wore wigs and powdered his nose over 200 years ago, they are beginning to lose touch with reality. None of that baloney will ever matter to voters or their electors and they (and only they) will continue to have the final say on a candidate's qualifications to be president, just as they did in 2008, just as they did in 2012 and just as they did in every single presidential election prior to 2008.

This argument is valid as far as politics go. It is NOT valid as far as Legality goes. The reason the guy gets away with it is because the public in general doesn't care, and neither does the court system. The reason they don't care is because they have a widespread belief that "natural born " simply means born inside our boundaries. The courts have the same mistaken belief, which I believe is the result of a long standing misinterpretation of the Wong Kim Ark ruling and the 14th amendment. It's lingered long enough to become accepted as true whether it be actually true or not. Had the issue been clearer to the courts and the public, (such as him being under the age of 35) then the legal issue would trump the political preference.

None of these people with all of their musty old foreign books and theories has ever proven the birthplace or paternity of any of our past presidents and none of them has the slightest idea how they might go about proving (to the extent required by their own impossible standards of proof) where Obama was born or the identity of his father or where Cruz was born or the identity of his father.

One of the central arguments of we "birthers" is the belief that we don't have the responsibility of proving he is not qualified. *HE* has the responsibility of proving he is. It may be argued that this was never required of other Presidential candidates, but never before did we have a presidential candidate who had gone around for years telling people he was from Kenya. Since *HE* made it an issue during his life, *HE* invited greater scrutiny upon himself.

Obama should have been required to submit a certified copy of his birth certificate showing him to have been actually born in Hawaii, (Hawaii will give birth certificates to people who were not actually born there, so that is another difficulty which should have been addressed) or he should have been excluded from the ballot in all 50 states as having not demonstrated the qualifications to run for the office of the Presidency.

The system broke down on the state level because state officials merely accepted a statement signed by Nancy Pelosi alleging he was qualified. Nancy Pelosi doesn't actually know what she is talking about, and the state officials should have required certain proof, not a signed allegation.

If Cruz runs, they can present their evidence and cite their ancient treatises and, as always, the president will be selected by the voters and their electors after they have considered all of the candidates' qualifications. And, there will be people who will bitch and moan that the people made another mistake without ever coming to terms with the reality that the people and their electors will undoubtedly make some mistakes. But, we'll get by like we always have gotten by.

I don't think it will require so much in the way of presenting ancient documents. I would simply present the 1960s Supreme court ruling regarding Aldo Mario Bellei, and argue that Ted Cruz shares exactly the same characteristics of birth as does this man who was stripped of his citizenship. I would further argue that it is ridiculous to believe that a "natural citizen" can be stripped of his citizenship short of committing treason.

If the Characteristics of your birth do not make you a "natural born citizen" then subsequent acts cannot make you one either. Ted Cruz's residency in this nation after the age of four is irrelevant to his status at birth.

1,046 posted on 03/11/2013 8:40:09 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: GBA

I agree. It doesn’t matter what is the truth, they will redefine it until it means what THEY want it to mean.


1,047 posted on 03/11/2013 8:41:44 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Verginius Rufus
From the time he was 4 years old until the time he was 8 years old, Woodrow Wilson did not consider himself a citizen of the United States and had no intention of being a citizen of the US in the future.

I wish he had gotten his wish. Much damage to the nation stems from his Presidency.

1,048 posted on 03/11/2013 8:44:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: EDINVA

Well said. Schmeegle salutes you!


1,049 posted on 03/11/2013 8:47:02 AM PDT by MWestMom ( "I will not sit quietly and let [the president] shed the constitution." Senator Rand Paul)
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To: Political Junkie Too
1. The earliest reference is to Noah Webster's 1806 book "Elements of Useful Knowledge." In his section on the Constitution, he refers to the president's qualifications as "The executive power of the United States is vested in a president, who holds his office for four years. To qualify a man for president, he must have been a citizen at the adoption of the constitution, or must be a native of the United States; he must have attained to the age of thirty-fire years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States..."

In those days, "native" (derived from "Natal" meaning birth) was interchangeable with natural-born as demonstrated by the Minor v Happersett decision.

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

In the Founders' and Framers' days, I can only assume that travel from afar was rare, the few sailing ships of the time used for commerce or warfare between England and France, and that people assumed that native citizens (people born here) were, by definition, born to parents who were already here, and not some border-crosser who arrived within days of producing a child. Any infidelity that produced a child would still have been between two existing citizens of the country, and not a temporary already-married student visiting for a few years.

I've made this point as well. In those days, if a child is born in the United States, the vast majority of the time it is because the parents have made the decision to immigrate here and become American Citizens. The occasions where they might be here only temporarily and with intent to return to another country were exceedingly rare during the era of sailing ships.

For all practical purposes, the term "natural born" and "native" (meaning "born here" in modern parlance") are the exact same group of people. The exceptions are so rare as to be dismissed in conversation on the topic. And that is how we arrived at the current confusion.

People came to regard the two terms to mean exactly the same thing, when in fact, they do not. It just became a shorthand way of speaking, rather then specifying the tedious distinction.

1,050 posted on 03/11/2013 8:57:28 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: HawkHogan; GBA

>> “Keep on living on the fringe.” <<

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HH, You are the deceitful fringe. The traitorious fringe.

I assume that you are a retread of a previous trojan that got zotted; here’s to your soon re-zotting.


1,051 posted on 03/11/2013 8:57:37 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: highball
I can't even give you a case of an obvious absurdity to get you to see how absurd is your theory!

Sure you could, if your position had any basis in fact whatsoever. But birthers are often in the position of being unable to support their theories except by becoming increasingly strident in their groundless assertions.

Well then let's clarify something right now. Do you regard "birth tourism" and "anchor babys" as reasonable and acceptable?

1,052 posted on 03/11/2013 8:59:56 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Mr Rogers

I will generally not respond to you. You have personal reasons for wanting the term to mean what you believe, and there is no point in arguing with you about it. You allow emotion to color your reason.


1,053 posted on 03/11/2013 9:02:48 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: editor-surveyor; Mr Rogers; Jeff Winston

Wait. Now you want us banned from the site because we don’t subscribe to your birther nonsense? If your argument is as great as you contend, why hasn’t any elected official throughout the land taken it up? There’s plenty of conservative officials who could have withheld Obama from the ballot. Are they all minions of Axelrod too?


1,054 posted on 03/11/2013 9:04:33 AM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: HawkHogan

Odd that a brand new signup date has all the nasty “anti-birther” tactics and phrases down pat.

Almost as if you’d been here before, doing the same thing, under a different screen name, possibly.


1,055 posted on 03/11/2013 9:08:29 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: HawkHogan

You defile this site

Your every post is destructive to the stated purpose of this site.

You despise our constitution, and desire to continue Obama’s destruction thereof.

Other than that, you’re a swell guy.


1,056 posted on 03/11/2013 9:14:32 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Jeff Winston
Rawle’s stepdad was a Loyalist. And I may have been a bit harsh to DL, as some sources actually say that he was a Loyalist during the Revolution as well. He might have been, due to his stepfather’s influence. But he was barely 17 years old when the Declaration of Independence was signed. And the source that DL quoted stated that Rawle felt a “sense of humiliation over his family’s British sympathies.” So perhaps the bottom line is that we don’t 100% understand all of his feelings on the matter as a teenager. They may well have changed.

Given his circumstances at the time of the war of Independence, it is not reasonable to assume (in the absence of evidence) he held different political beliefs from that of his family. Of course he was a loyalist at the time, but he eventually changed his mind. The bigger issue is his training in British law, which mostly translates to American law just fine, but with the exception of Citizen/Subject law, where the American principle is in strong contradiction with the English principle.

So Rawle was EXTREMELY well positioned to know exactly what the Framers of the Constitution meant by “natural born citizen.”

Except I don't think they discussed this. I will freely acknowledge that some people of the era (such as Rawles) believed that Subjectship/Citizenship is the direct result of WHERE you were born, while others (Dr. David Ramsey) believed that it was inherited from the parents as being part of their civic nature.

That people could believe such drastically different things can be explained in only one way of which I can conceive. Each thought the other shared their own opinion, and in absence of discussion or clarification, they continued to hold their respective beliefs. Because they believed themselves to all be in agreement as to what was the meaning of the term, they felt no need to discuss it.

The salient question is this. What did the Constitutional Conventioners and Ratifiers believe? I think they believed what made sense. That the Presidency should be reserved for only the strictest interpretation of citizenship; For someone who has no divided loyalties whatsoever. For someone whom no other nation can lay a recognized claim upon.

They were well familiar with the Royal inbreeding of the Crowned heads of Europe. They knew full well how one nation would gain advantage in the Monarchy of another by blood ties of allegiance to another nation. Often the Monarch of England was a German.

I believe they prudently wanted to avoid such conflicts in our Executive office.

1,057 posted on 03/11/2013 9:17:59 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: SatinDoll
It took the 14th Amendment AND the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court decision to cement in place the idea that a person born under the jurisdiction of the United States could be a United States citizen at birth no matter the parent’s citizenship.

I agree, that's where the current definition became cemented into the public mind, but neither the 14th Amendment, nor Wong Kim Ark makes such a claim. The claim is read into both the amendment and the decision. We have been dealing with the legacy of this error ever since.

1,058 posted on 03/11/2013 9:23:20 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: editor-surveyor

Quite a conclusion to reach, especially since you base it purely on a misinterpretation of natural born citizen.


1,059 posted on 03/11/2013 9:43:51 AM PDT by HawkHogan
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To: DiogenesLamp
Your document is FAKE. McCain did not release a copy of his birth certificate,

WAPO becomes a conservative fact checker, got it.

Please notify the ADMIN's that we shall no longer challenge WAPO.

1,060 posted on 03/11/2013 10:07:43 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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