Posted on 05/11/2013 4:53:30 PM PDT by marktwain
Likely WWII war trophy. This Luger came in with an Original Holster
The holster is in the lower left, just three guns to the left of what appears to be a Model 97 Winchester shotun
I arrived at the gun turn in at a little after 9 am on Saturday morning. I had a couple of inexpensive .22 rifles to test the system with. I promptly got in the line of vehicles to enter the area for the turn in.
The line was a couple of hundred yards long when I entered it
This woman was one of many that offered cash for guns that people were turning in. The back of her sign had a pro Second Amendment message
I had not gone half the distance when a police car came along, announcing that the turn in had run out of gift cards. The time was 9:28 am. The official start time for the event was 10:00 am.
I parked the truck and used my press pass to enter the area where the turn in was located. The police were helpful, but had their tasks to do. After I spotted the Luger holster, they directed me to where it was stored. At the time the event ran out of gift cards, about 100 guns had been turned in. They encluded a military Mauser, a sporterized 03A3 made by Remington, the Luger, an older Colt revolver, and of course, many others.
Looks like a nice S&W model 10 being processed
Here is a High Standard Derringer in .22 Magnum. They do not make them any more. They were quite popular.
Out on the street, the rolling gun show started in earnest.
This early purchaser had already bought three just before the turn in started
More later, here are links to previous posts:
Link to Phoenix Turn In Part 1
Link to Phoenix Turn In Part 2
Link to Phoenix Turn In Part 3
Link: What my Waitress Thought of the coming Gun Turn In (Phoenix 11 May 2-13)
©2013 by Dean Weingarten Permission to share granted as long as this notice is included.
Please tell me the new law prohibiting destroying pieces of history like this one is already in effect. Please. I’d hate to see something like that destroyed out of stupidity and political correctness.
"Buy a shotgun!" - Shotgun Joe Biden
That little High Standard derringer is worth 300 bucks now.
It amazes me that anyone would give their guns to the government- even ‘junk’ guns, let alone collector’s items. It just goes to show how incredibly stupid some people are.
Agreed. Crying real tears over this one.
I love it. Gun “buy backs” are turning into those guns shows that the left so despise.
What dim wit came up with the idiot term “buy back”?
Above that Luger is a 1903-A3 Springfield rifle. Look close at that trigger guard!
A few years ago my uncle in OK passed away, a nephew from Conn. was in charge of his possessions. He gathered up my Uncle’s guns and took them to the police station for them to keep them locked up and in safe keeping. He was so afraid of firearms he did not want them kept in the house while he was there. My husband went with him to the police station and they took possession of them and they now belong to my family. One was just a starter pistol for sports events.
That isnt a percussion shotgun. It was merely and old style break action shotgun with external hammers that struck firing pins. Most likely the barrels were Damascus steel and it IS a blessing that gun is off the street and will never be fired again. . . attempting to fire it with modern shells with modern pressures would likely cause it to explode the chamber and injure the person pulling the trigger. There is a vintage Winchester .22 pump rifle in that pile also... Looks like a model 1906. Not in great shape, over cleaned.
That’s not always true.
For the cheaper shotguns, yes, it might be true that the damascus barrels will let go.
For higher quality shotguns, their damascus can be stronger than the “fluid steel” of the day.
See WW Greener’s writings on the topic for more information. He had proofed some of his firm’s (WW Greener) damascus barrels and had the proof house feed the same loads into fluid steel shotguns of the competition, which caused ruptures.
There were several grades of damascus steel back then. Yes, there are lots of no-name Liege tubes that would probably fail, but the higher end shotguns (both American and British) of the era had higher quality barrels than the no-name twist steels out of Liege.
NRA magazine pointed out that “buy backs” are incorrectly named.
In other words, how can the government “buy back” something that it never owned in the first place?
“What dim wit came up with the idiot term “buy back”?”
It is left-wing propaganda- it implies that the gun was somehow the property of the government to begin with, which is a lie. Stock in trade for people who trowel out “narratives” instead of reporting the news.
Gun burnings.
The double action revolver looks like a Rossi instead of a S@W. The long ramp on the front sight is a dead give away.
I’m crying right there with ya. Damn.
Our governor Jan Brewer signed in a new law the other day...(A few weeks ago I guess)..
NO GUN turned in to these is to be destroyed. ALL the buyback guns in Az have to be sold back to the public... :)
It's not about how strong the barrels were when they were made. I agree with the relative strength THEN. Damascus barrels were actually superior barrels when new than many cold rolled welded barrels and hammered steel barrels. BUT, and it is a big but, over time the discontinuities in the Damascus barrel forging technique allows for internal corrosion to form in the hammered wire forging that that forms the Damascus barrels. This corrosion between the mechanical/welded/pressure joining of the metals that are at the core of all damascene metals is unavoidable, weakening the mechanical welded heat bonding because oxygen is incorporated in the joint by its very nature. . . starting the formation of rust at the creation of the barrel. With age, all damascene barrels LOSE considerable strength.
Barrels in that period were ALL proof tested with black powders that were far less pressure producing and slower burning than modern faster burning, higher pressure producing smokeless shotgun powders. Now add the corrosive nature of black powder and the even greater corrosiveness of the fulminate of mercury primers used during the useful life of most of these damascene barrels and its effects on accelerating the corrosion between the domains of the metal in those much more porous barrels. Shooting shotguns with Damascus barrels with modern loads is NEVER advised.
I am past manager of the Olde Sacramento Armoury and I was the appraiser and buyer of used and antique firearms for Simms Hardware's Gun Department — which was named #1 Gun Dealer in the United States in 1971. . . and was a qualified expert in the California Courts on the identification and values of Antique firearms back in the 70s. We labeled every damascene barreled shotgun a wall hanger, a non-shooting relic and instructed all sales people to instruct buyers that they were never to try shooting them as they were considered unsafe. We had several "educational pieces" on hand with blown chambers to show them what would happen if they tried. A couple of those looked brand new. . . and were made by some of those "top names" in gun making from London and New York. They still blew.
By-the-way, I CRINGE every time I see the people on Pawn Stars shooting fine antique firearms, claiming they have a greater value if they are "fireable!" Every time one fires a vintage gun, one takes the risk of breaking, damaging, or destroying it. . . and more wear is added, degrading the value of the gun. Operation, timing, etc.,condition, are ALL determinable by examination by a qualified expert without the weapon being fired. I've seen their "expert" dry firing a percussion Colt revolver onto the vintage, original percussion cap nipples without protective covers, which will damage both the nipples and the hammer, demonstrating his complete lack of proper handling knowledge of even NEW percussion guns, let alone valuable antiques! Aaaarrrrggghhh!!!!
The single action will not hold, which may simply be due to accumulated grime.
It may be chambered in 38-40, but without calipers or cartridges, we could not be certain. It did not look quite right for a .44.
I will get pictures and post a story just about this interesting revolver that was purchased for $20.
--as I watched in horror, while channel surfing one afternoon , some "expert" on one of the 'reality' shows loaded and fired a probably 250 year old blunderbuss-style flintlock--knew the piece must have survived because they surely wouldn't have shown the result if it hadn't---
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