Posted on 07/21/2013 7:12:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
What really made Zimmerman suspicious of Martin:
CVSA, 25:36 Quote:
Zimmerman: And, I was leaving my neighborhood when I saw this guy, walking slowly in front of a house, looking towards the house. And I knew he didn't live there, so that made me a little suspicious. And then he kept staring around him, at me, and behind. And it arose my suspicion. And then he was, it was raining. And, he didn't look like he was in a rush to get out the rain.....
I think this is the first explicit statement that GZ knew that TM didn't live in the house that he was in front of when GZ first saw him.
SPD 2/29-1, 4:36-53 Quote:
Zimmerman: Two or three weeks prior to that, I'd seen somebody looking in a window of the house that he was in front of.
Serino: Was he white or black?
Zimmerman: Black.
Serino: OK.
Zimmerman: And, the guy that lives there, I know, he's active in the neighborhood watch, and he's Caucasian.
GZ told the story of his 2/2/12 NEN call in more detail, and a little more accurately, than he had previously (45/47 of the logs). He called because he saw a black male showing an interest in 1460 Retreat View Cir., which GZ hadn't mentioned in the earlier interviews. When the police arrived the man had left. The police found all the windows and the garage door open, and the front door unlocked. GZ gave them the owner's phone number, and they got his consent to enter and secure the house.
SPD 2/29-1, 7:41-54 Quote:
Zimmerman: So when I saw him, in the same area, in front of the guy's house that I know [unintelligible] had been unsecured, and he was looking into the house, I just thought something doesn't fit right here.
SPD 2/29-1, 8:03-53 Quote:
Serino: What did you see Trayvon doing, that caught you as being suspicious?
Zimmerman: He was looking at the house, intently. And then -
Serino: What, the same house?
Zimmerman: The same house that, yeah, that had, I had called about before. [Crosstalk] the window.
Serino: Did he stop, did he - ?
Zimmerman: He stopped.
Serino: In front of the house?
Zimmerman: He stopped in front of the house. And then, I drove, there was a car, like, backing up, so I, I slowed down. And then I drove around him. And he kept looking at me. And then when I passed, oh, it was raining. And then I said, you know what, he's not walking briskly, to get out of the rain. He wasn't, he didn't look like a marathon runner that is active, in like, you know, that trains in the rain. He was just walking slowly [unintelligible] the grass and onto the sidewalk. And I said "Something's off." So, that's why I called non-emergency...................
Maybe so in this case but either suspicion is legitimate for concern. This idea that young black males are not cause for criminal suspicion is complete BS.
That'd do it for me! Punk was up to no good.
Everyone that cares to know the truth knows (and so do many who don’t want to know). GZ is just regular guy caught up in race baiting politics. Ohhh, Trayvon is indeed a victim...of the dysfunctional African American subscoicety created to prop up the Democrat’s soft cleptrocacy.
Dispatcher
Sanford Police Department.
Zimmerman
Hey we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there’s a real suspicious guy, uh, it’s Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher
OK, and this guy is he white, black, or hispanic?
Zimmerman
He looks black.
Dispatcher
Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman
Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now, he was just staring.
Dispatcher
OK, he’s just walking around the area…
Zimmerman
looking at all the houses.
Dispatcher
OK…
Zimmerman
Now he’s just staring at me.
Dispatcher
OK-you said it’s 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
Zimmerman
That’s the clubhouse…
Dispatcher
That’s the clubhouse, do you know what the-he’s near the clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman
Yeah, now he’s coming towards me.
Dispatcher
OK.
Zimmerman
He’s got his hand in his waistband. And he’s a black male.
Dispatcher
How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman
He’s got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher
Late teens. Ok.
Zimmerman
Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he’s coming to check me out, he’s got something in his hands, I don’t know what his deal is.
Dispatcher
Just let me know if he does anything, ok?
Zimmerman
(unclear) See if you can get an officer over here.
Dispatcher
Yeah we’ve got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman
Okay. These (expletive) they always get away. Yep. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
Dispatcher
So it’s on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman
No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left, uh, you go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. (expletive) he’s running.
Dispatcher
He’s running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman
Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher
Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?
Zimmerman
The back entrance…(expletive)(unclear)
Dispatcher
Are you following him?
Zimmerman
Yeah.
Dispatcher
Ok, we don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman
Ok.
Dispatcher
Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman
George…He ran.
Dispatcher
Alright George what’s your last name?
A clicking or knocking sound can be heard here
Zimmerman
Zimmerman
Dispatcher
And George what’s the phone number you’re calling from?
Clicking or knocking sound is heard again
Zimmerman
[phone number removed]
Dispatcher
Alright George we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman
Yeah.
Dispatcher
Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman
Um, if they come in through the, uh, (knocking sound) gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, (knocking sound) straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that’s my truck...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher
What address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman
I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
Dispatcher
Okay do you live in the area?
Zimmerman
Yeah, I...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher
What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman
It’s a home it’s [house number removed], (knocking sound) oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t know where this kid is.
Dispatcher
Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?
Zimmerman
Yeah that’s fine.
Dispatcher
Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there, okay?
Zimmerman
Actually could you have them, could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
Dispatcher
Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
Zimmerman
Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher
Yeah I got it [phone number removed]
Zimmerman
Yeah you got it.
Dispatcher
Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the area.
Zimmerman
Thanks.
Dispatcher
You’re welcome.
That's the part that gets me.
Why didn't ace detective Chris Serino get the video tapes of the 7 Eleven and the names of the 3 stooges that Martin had been cavorting with there and the car they were driving and find out why they dropped him off at this location rather than his house.
Surely an ace detective like him could have connected the dots.
It’s also true that large minority of whites sympathize with Trayvon as the little innocent. These are the kinds of white voters that liberal Republicans are always trying to court.
Some years back, my older brother was in law school. He spent the weekend with a pal he was friends with in school. The parents lived in an upper scale, gated Florida community on the water. Very expensive area. So, my brother decides one late afternoon to take a stroll and look at all the homes. Within ten minutes, there were police present questioning who he was and why he was there. My point is this: he is white. The neighbors saw someone who didn’t normally belong there and contacted the police. He and the family got a chuckle out of it and my brother wasn’t offended at all. He did joke that he needed some newer clothes if he was going to visit again. Suspicious behavior isn’t necessarily linked to race. It is also linked to if the person is a stranger and not acting correctly. IMHO.
If you look like,act like, why are you surprised you get treated like a thug!
Yep -- first description "he's just walking around, looking about".
No mention of hoodie or black until prompted by the operator.
I suspect that the SPD suspected that Martin had been casing that residence and elements in the department did everything they could to divert attention away from that unpleasant fact.
These are the same white liberals who when a mass murderer escapes prosecution on a technicality they say get over it you can’t bring back the dead, but in this case even after a jury verdict they want to make a federal case out of it.
Best summary I’ve read so far! well and truly stated.
Why would anyone be on the lookout for young black males? It’s all such a mystery!
Fox interview with alternative juror was great. He gave an excellent timeline analysis. When TM told Jentel he is safe (ala at her fathers condo) and end the cellphone call (time was logged by phone record) GZ told the police that he will get out of his SUV to see where TM went (that end of the call was also logged by phone record). Both calls ended approximately the same time. When the cops arrived they found the two injured men on the lawn near GZ SUV then near Jentel father’s condo. Alternate juror explained based on location and timeline, Martin chose not to enter condo but turn around to find GZ. In juror mind any attempt to link GZ to manslaughter for initiating events leading to shooting just not possible, because Martin became the initiator. The timeline info and location also leans towards GZ version that TM confronted him as he was returning to his SUV then the DA allegation that GZ was hunting for TM and causing a confrontation.
In post trial MSM interviews Jentel explain black people do not trust cops, thus will not call them. However, if you think you are followed, you tend to get home if home is in front of you and not go look for the stalker. Remember, Jentel testify that TM lost GZ when he was talking to her. He was not in imminent danger (GZ was nowhere in sight) and once he chose not to go into the condo but turn around to hunt for GZ he is no longer a victim.
And, unless there is other evidence that I haven’t read, he describes him as “this guy”. Not “this black guy”. Since it was dark, raining and TM was wearing a hoodie, I’ve wondered if Zimmerman really knew what race he was. His suspicions were roused because of how the person was acting.
I think a large segment of that group of progressive whites, did not end up on the side of the blacks.
This seems to be a special case.
I believe this begins to break the “blacks as mistreated minority” which has until now reigned.
Blacks are taking (sadly) the side of Trayvon Martin nearly 100%. But it seems to me, others are not rushing to one side or the other.
This case I believe will start to straighten out the public.
Maybe I’m too optimistic.
But I think this changes things.
The pro TM whites are more motivated by their discomfort of gunowners. Once the MSM made it into white CCW kills little black kid with soda and candy, it fits their notion of guns should be banned, and God forbid carried. For them, it fits their narrative that CCW will sooner or later get some innocent person killed because some CCW over reacted.
Without even reading it, I can tell you what made him suspicious: Martin’s BEHAVIOR.
Now I’ll go read it.
I see.
based upon reading this it would seem that Sean Hannity’s “guess” that Martin was walking xlose to the houses to get out of the rain is an erroneous “guess” at best, or a purposeful mistaken assessment of facts at the worst.
Martin was an obvious criminal.
What is curious to me is why the Sanford Police never secured a copy of the 7 Eleven tape even though they knew that Martin had just been down there.
Or maybe they did and tried to cover it up when they saw the “usual suspects” that were in the store with Martin that night — usual suspects that had been burglarizing apartments in the area.
Either way failing to follow up with the usual suspects at the 7 Eleven was suspicious and sloppy.
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