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Why men are withdrawing from courtship.
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Posted on 11/16/2013 5:37:57 AM PST by ClaytonP

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To: 9YearLurker

He should have only spent $40 per date. And when he took her to dinner she could have anything she wanted while he had the Caeser salad and a glass of water.


61 posted on 11/16/2013 7:10:32 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: EricT.
That being said, I have seen countless friends wind up divorced. The common denominator in each divorce is selfishness, on one side or both. Either way, selfishness will destroy a relationship like nothing else. If the person you are dating shows a pattern of selfish behavior or selfish attitudes about anything, RUN. If you see a pattern of expectation of quid pro quo, RUN.

Spot on. My wife and I met each other while in high school. She was my date on my Senior Prom, I was her date for her Junior and Senior prom. We dated on and off for six years before marrying. I was 23, she was 22.

Twenty-seven years later we have two fantastic sons who are the joys of our lives and are planning our early retirement together.

I was very fortunate to meet her when I did. In many ways we "grew up together" and share the same views on marriage, politics, finances and life. (Note: I cannot emphasize how important agreeing on FINANCES is!)

Many of our friends are married, divorced, married again, divorced again and in some cases getting ready to tie the not a third time. My friends often ask me what makes our marriage successful. My answer is simple: Marriage is the art of compromise. If one goes into it thinking they'll always get what they want out of it, they're destined to fail. Marriage is less about the individual and more about the other person.

Yes it's important that we (men) are happy in our marriages. What many men fail to figure out is that the way to be happy is to keep your wife happy. Find what "pushes her buttons" in a good way and keep pushing them. For my wife it's always the little things that make a big difference to her. I'll empty out the dishwasher and put dishes away. I'll clear the table after dinner. I always open doors for her and when we go out for dinner (just the two of us) the cellphone stays in the car. She has my absolute undivided attention the entire time.

Been that way for 27 years.

62 posted on 11/16/2013 7:12:03 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: virgil283

This Young Woman Scored $1,200 A Month In Fancy Dinners Using Match.com
http://www.businessinsider.com/confessions-how-she-made-1200-a-month-using-matchcom-2011-11

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/woman-dates-free-dinner-match-15112192
(video at link)

A very good reason why men should not spend more than $40 on a date.


63 posted on 11/16/2013 7:17:07 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: usconservative
What many men fail to figure out is that the way to be happy is to keep your wife happy. Find what "pushes her buttons" in a good way and keep pushing them. For my wife it's always the little things that make a big difference to her. I'll empty out the dishwasher and put dishes away.

My wife has said for years that there's nothing sexier than a man doing the dishes.

Again, the trick is for both of you to do unsolicited things for one another without expectation of quid pro quo. You do things out of love, not as some kind of barter transaction.

64 posted on 11/16/2013 7:22:28 AM PST by EricT. (Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Big brother is watching you.)
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To: ClaytonP

Several good songs on this subject:

Fat Women in Trailers;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3YwBmNLc

Tell Her Lies and Feed her Candy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_B0DTSD7IY

Put Another Log on the Fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wO_6wMRS7A

Dang! That is some good music!


65 posted on 11/16/2013 7:23:34 AM PST by Uncle Lonny
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To: 9YearLurker

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

All those things you mention; hair, make up, nails are used in the normal course of being a woman. When you go to work, wherever, you spend money to look good. This is a daily ritual for women. It has nothing to do with courtship or dating.

Only in the dating and courtship arenas does is the man supposed to pay the entire tab.

Admit it, you get off easy when it comes to the romance game. You just have to show up, sit there and receive the bennies.


66 posted on 11/16/2013 7:24:35 AM PST by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: MCF

Although I disagree with Tom Leykis on many of his opinions he basically says it’s time for men to get take their testicles back and be the man.

Leykis 101 rules of dating
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Leykis%20101
http://blowmeuptom.com/leykis101/


67 posted on 11/16/2013 7:24:53 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Biff55

“And man’s best friend is a dog.

Put your dog and your girlfriend/wife in the trunk of your car. Come back an hour later. Who’s happy to see you...?”

:) - you are killing me - Coffee up my nose - too funny


68 posted on 11/16/2013 7:25:15 AM PST by DanZ
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To: Popman

Where is/was your son looking for women to date? I know dozens of girls/women up to early-30s (friends of my daughter) who don’t have a child and who’ve never had an abortion.


69 posted on 11/16/2013 7:26:33 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: EricT.
Again, the trick is for both of you to do unsolicited things for one another without expectation of quid pro quo. You do things out of love, not as some kind of barter transaction.

Exactly correct.

I'd read an article somewhere online in the last few weeks titled something along the lines "Man finds out marriage is not for him." The author of the article penned it from the perspective of what he expected to get out of marriage. As he discovered, his marriage wasn't about "him" it was about loving the other person in the marriage enough to want to see them happy.

At the end of the day, isn't that really what it's all about - loving the other person enough to want to see them happy and doing all we can to make that so?

Surely there are examples of unrequited love too, and those types of one-way relationships where a husband or wife gives all while the other does nothing but take. Those relationships are destined to fail.

But a man who loves his wife like Christ loves his church? That's going to be a blessed marriage.

70 posted on 11/16/2013 7:30:53 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ClaytonP
No-fault divorce, abortion on demand, vulgarity in Hollywood & the media, feminism, assault on faith & virtue, welfare state, homosexual “marriage,” depiction of men as idiots.

There is no mystery as to why there is a breakdown of marriage and family in this country.

71 posted on 11/16/2013 7:31:46 AM PST by twister881
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Patton,

You seriously need help, acting like a doormat and emotional tampon for any woman is the quickest way to the “friend zone” you’ll ever see. Would suggest that you stop doing what is sure to kill any attraction a woman may have for you and start acting like a man instead of a personal servant. You have probably gotten a lot of bad advice (probably from women who are the last ones you want to ask about that kind of thing) on how to court a woman. Forget all that you’ve been taught by your mother, the people in church and most every media outlet as they are all so very WRONG. Go to the web page this article came from and start learning, follow the links and it will open your eyes.


72 posted on 11/16/2013 7:31:47 AM PST by trapped_in_LA
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To: JRandomFreeper

I am never lonely. I spent much of my life either married or dating, but never alone. I’ve been lonlier when I lived with someone.
_________________________________________

Exactly - - That’s what I meant - same here. Internet doesn’t translate too well.


73 posted on 11/16/2013 7:38:28 AM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: FAA
They’ll say they want X, Y, and, Z. You provide that. And they then proceed to p!ss all over you for doing so. So much for being a “nice guy”.....that and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee. I love the concept but to this day I’ve yet to meet one that I couldn’t live without. Somebody throw me a line here....

You may be making two invalid assumptions: (1) that women themselves really know what they want, and (2) that they would honestly tell you.

Go visit the "skittles" link in the article.

The average woman has little use for "nice guys". Despite anything she says, she's biologically hard-wired to look for somebody who will protect and provide for her and her kids. A "nice guy" who can be pushed around by her, is of far less value than the SOB who will not accept being pushed around by anybody. The most-valued guy is the one who lots of women want (the "alpha male"), and the alpha male generally has the attitude of "if you don't treat me nicely, I can immediately replace you with another woman"

74 posted on 11/16/2013 7:40:01 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ReaganÃœberAlles

No, that is the standard for women out and about because they go through the cost and bother for courtship reasons.

The time savings of being a man is worth far more than a few dinners and movie tickets.


75 posted on 11/16/2013 7:49:30 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: johnny reb

Mine is even shorter; “Don’t” :)

Like I said-once you figure out the game and that they are genetically nuts, It makes life easier.

No matter how wonderful she may be, the chaos is coming. No logic, no warning. Don’t try to make sense of it, no one ever will. It is simply a force of nature that cannot be changed.


76 posted on 11/16/2013 7:49:39 AM PST by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Patton, you should write a screenplay. Seriously, your chick flick would be tops at the box office for three summer weekends.

I would think that just telling your story probably gets women interested in you........

77 posted on 11/16/2013 7:50:14 AM PST by Castlebar
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Yet after 4.5 years of courting, she still couldn't "make a committment" ...

If you want commitment, and after six months she isn't talking about the future, then it's time to move on. If, after a year, you are not both sure enough to be willing to set a date, then it's time to move on.

78 posted on 11/16/2013 7:54:15 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ClaytonP

I have two 35 year-old plus sons, neither of whom are married or in a serious relationship, who have both explained this phenomenon to me, although not as eloquently as this article has.

Even my own blissful 40 year marriage has seemingly had no influence on their thinking.

But the more I see of today’s materialistic, high-maintenance women, the more I agree with their assessment that most women today aren’t worth the trouble.


79 posted on 11/16/2013 7:54:17 AM PST by MNnice
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To: Patton@Bastogne

You sound like a nice guy. But dating and courtship are not marriage. You should hold back your heart until a woman makes a commitment. And if she doesn’t make a commitment in, say, 18 months, move on. Do not fall totally in love until after marriage. It’s like business. Do not work on spec.


80 posted on 11/16/2013 7:56:00 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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