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Did LBJ kill JFK?
The Conservative Beacon ^ | November 23, 2013 | Ellis Washington

Posted on 11/23/2013 8:21:30 AM PST by Conservative Beacon

Did LBJ have JFK killed? This critical question has endured ever since that fateful day of 50 years ago—Nov. 22, 1963. Former Nixon White House advisor Roger Stone makes this central argument in his new book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ. Stone’s interesting narrative isn’t another “conspiracy theory” book to add to the already voluminous number of fantastical JFK assassination claims. Roger tells Reason Magazine Editor, Nick Gillespie that, “The whole term ‘conspiracy theorists’ is a pejorative that the mainstream media uses to denigrate anyone who questions the government’s version on virtually anything… I’m not talking conspiracy, I’m talking facts.”

In an interview with Abby Martin who asks Stone, “What’s the strongest piece of evidence is that implicates LBJ in Kennedy’s murder?” Stone replies, “Probably the finger print of LBJ’s personal hit man named, Malcom “Mac” Wallace that is found on a cardboard box on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. It’s the only print other than the prints of Lee Harvey Oswald that I believe were planted there so that is probably your strongest piece of evidence.” Secondarily, Johnson’s mistress of 21 years, Madeleine Duncan Brown, who bore him an illegitimate child said that Lyndon Johnson told her on the eve of the assassination, “After tomorrow those godd–n Kennedys will never embarrass me again-that’s not a threat-that’s a promise.” And then lastly I think when the presidential motorcade pulled into Dealey Plaza in Dallas when Vice President Johnson’s car made the 120 degree turn on Elm St. into Dealey Plaza Lyndon Johnson, before the first shot was fired, was on the floor of his car; he hits the deck. There’s photographic evidence that proves this. So I would say that before, during and after the assassination Lyndon Johnson’s actions betray the fact that he is in fact the man yoking the conspiracy, or in this case the plot that includes the CIA, organized crime and Big Texas Oil,” Stone contends.

When asked about how his book is different from all of the other books claiming various JFK assassination conspiracy theories? Stone answers recounted his professional relationship over many years as a trusted advisor to President Richard Nixon who confessed to Stone “that the Warren Commission was the greatest hoax ever perpetrated.” Stone again: “Nixon never flatly said who was responsible for Kennedy’s death, but he would say both he and Johnson wanted to be president; the only difference, Nixon said was he refused to kill for the job.”

Stone admits to additional firsthand confirmations that indeed LBJ killed JFK from such colorful characters as: Amb. John Davis Lodge, who was the brother of Henry Cabot Lodge, JFK’s Ambassador to Vietnam, Attorney General John Mitchell, Tony Salerno head of the Genovese crime family in New York, New Orleans mob boss Carlos Marcello all plotted together with the CIA and LBJ to assassinate JFK.

Stone in his book on LBJ chronicles voluminous amounts of damning evidence that points to LBJ as behind the JFK assassination including Dallas being LBJ’s territory, the Dallas Police Department and the Dallas media under his control, LBJ’s close friend (D.H. Byrd) owned the book Texas book depository building, LBJ’s personal assassin on many other hits (Malcolm Wallace) was seen that day on the sixth floor of the book depository building while 75-90 seconds after the assassination Oswald was seen by several eyewitnesses including two secretaries, the building superintendent and a Dallas police officer who questioned him personally as being not on the sixth floor, but sitting alone on the second floor cafeteria drinking a coke apparently oblivious to that JFK’s assassination had just occurred less than 2 minutes ago.

Stone further argues that the insistence of Texas Governor John Connally that LBJ’s cronies dictated the route of the presidential motorcade instead of JFK’s advance team. This conflict caused a huge argument between JFK and LBJ as witnessed by Jackie Kennedy because JFK insisted on having Gov. John Connally, a loyal LBJ crony, to ride in his limousine – while LBJ wanted his political foe Senator Ralph Yarborough to ride with JFK (thereby killing two birds with one stone).

The trap was completely set when the presidential motorcade route was published in all the Dallas newspapers. As history dictated, JFK convinced LBJ to allow John Connally to ride in his limo whereby Connally was shot along with JFK, although he survived. Yarborough, riding with a frustrated LBJ, was never harmed.

There is no physical evidence of Oswald being on the sixth floor of the Texas book depository building that day. The palm print found on the murder weapon was taken from Oswald and planted on the rifle by the FBI while Oswald body lay in the morgue after he was killed by Jack Ruby. The Dallas coroner recalled after the FBI left finding black fingerprint ink on the hands Oswald’s corpse which obviously wasn’t there before the FBI arrived.

“Immediately after the assassination of JFK. LBJ spread the knowingly false story that the Russian government had killed Kennedy. He told Earl Warren the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court who was reluctant to chair the Warren Commission,” according to Stone. “He was only persuaded because Johnson convinced him that the Russians had killed Kennedy and if the truth got out then it would precipitate World War III. This was a lie that Johnson told over and over. There’s no truth to it. We now know that when Kennedy was killed Soviet Premiere Nikita Khrushchev wept. Also, Fidel Castro who was with an American when he got the news, kept repeating ‘Oh-No!’ and ‘This is very bad news.’ “I do not think that the Russian state was in anyway involved in any way in the assassination. I think Johnson lied about this,” says Stone.

Finally Stone argues “Landslide Lyndon” ascension in politics where his infamous 1948 election launching his career as a Senator was only achieved through naked fraud whereby LBJ won by only 87 votes—all in alphabetical order, in the same handwriting and they all signed in the same ink (“Box 13”). Through a magnificent presentation of original sources Stone ties LBJ to eight [8] murders prior to the JFK assassination not including his own sister whom Stone’s contends “he may have killed who is buried without an autopsy.” LBJ’s sister, Josefa Johnson, was murdered Christmas Day 1961 after leaving a party hosted by LBJ. She was probably killed because revealed secrets to her lovers golf pro John Kisner and Mac Wallace (LBJ’s favorite assassin who). Wallace claimed heat of passion defense because Kisner was sleeping with Wallace’s wife and with LBJ’s defense lawyer (John Cofer) representing him, got a 5 year suspended sentence for killing Kisner on Oct. 22, 1961.

“I think he’s an amoral psychopath,” says Roger Stone of LBJ. “I think he’s crude, evil, vicious, vindictive, [a] drunk.” I think that Lyndon Johnson had unique motive, means and opportunity to kill John Kennedy and I think that he participated in a plot to do so.”

“How did this happen?” “Who is responsible?” and the most important question: “Who had the most to gain?” Doubtlessly the answer to all three questions points directly to Vice President Lyndon Johnson who had motive, means and opportunity to kill JFK:

LBJ had motive (personal, political, economic). He had political motive because of LBJ’s legendary hatred of JFK, RFK and the Kennedy family which extended back to 1937 when LBJ was a freshman Texas congressman and fanatical acolyte of FDR and his New Deal revolution. JFK and RFK didn’t want LBJ on the first ticket (they wanted Missouri Sen. Stuart Symington) and was working to get LBJ kicked off the 1964 ticket. LBJ knew this and so he had to act fast; LBJ had means (LBJ used Texas Gov. John Connally to entice JFK to their Texas territory along with his strong connections with the Dallas Police, Dallas news media, and Big Texas Oil); LBJ had opportunity (LBJ controlled all aspects of the JFK assassination, before during and afterwards) the CIA hated Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis, FBI head, J. Edgar Hoover also hated the Kennedys and used his vast forces to cover up the JFK murder.

With JFK out of the way LBJ would become president of the United States… a coveted position that those who knew LBJ realized he always desired so much that he would kill to obtain the presidency by any means necessary.

Was LBJ thinking of the JFK assassination when he made this cryptic admission?—”It is the melancholy law of human societies to be compelled sometimes to choose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil,” or his interview with Walter Cronkite when LBJ says, “Oswald,” and he pauses, realizing that he did not want to speak that name publicly to Cronkite and closes his eyes in despair, before continuing to the ultimate incriminating statement, “others that could have been involved.”

Apparently, not even LBJ believes the findings of his servile, phony, handpicked Warren Commission that Oswald acted alone.” Again, it was impossible for Oswald to kill the president when at the time of the shots were fired (12:30 pm) Oswald was on the second (not the sixth) floor cafeteria of the Texas book depository, drinking a coke alone and totally oblivious to the fact JFK had just been assassinated two minutes before. LBJ, the FBI, the CIA and the Warren Commission knew this which is why they all had to lie and claim that Oswald was the lone assassin at all costs lest on this day, 50 years later, the light of truth be shone on the real murder of John F. Kennedy… none other than Lyndon Baines Johnson!


TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: caseagainstlbj; jfk; lbj; rogerstone
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1 posted on 11/23/2013 8:21:30 AM PST by Conservative Beacon
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To: Conservative Beacon
Earlier ongoing thread here.

Did LBJ kill JFK?


2 posted on 11/23/2013 8:27:17 AM PST by deport
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To: Conservative Beacon

Accdg. to liberals, it was Bush and Cheney.


3 posted on 11/23/2013 8:27:22 AM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Conservative Beacon

In the library with the candlestick by the butler


4 posted on 11/23/2013 8:30:03 AM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Conservative Beacon
Did LBJ kill JFK?
No, he did not. However, it was LBJ who killed America with his War on Poverty and Vietnam War.
5 posted on 11/23/2013 8:31:03 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
No, he did not. However, it was LBJ who killed America with his War on Poverty and Vietnam War.

Roger that. I hated every moment I was in Vietnam. Before I went, I did not want to go. While I was there, I did not want to be there. After I left, I wished I had not been there. Yes, I did my duty, but that does not mean I had to like it, I surely did not.

6 posted on 11/23/2013 8:34:01 AM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: Conservative Beacon
Now if these libs would just turn their attention to Obama conspiracies.
7 posted on 11/23/2013 8:34:03 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Conservative Beacon

No but it makes a great distraction.


8 posted on 11/23/2013 8:36:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: oh8eleven

Coming up soon, another thread entitled with the rhetorical question, “Did Martians kill JFK?”


9 posted on 11/23/2013 8:43:14 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: oh8eleven

Ditto.


10 posted on 11/23/2013 8:44:20 AM PST by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: Conservative Beacon

LBJ couldn’t have been guilty, for he would have been afraid of being caught.


11 posted on 11/23/2013 8:46:13 AM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Mark17
I was born in 64 so I obviously didn't go to Vietnam but I did sign up with the selective service when Reagan was president.

Despite the common fallacy that the Vietnam war produced nothing but drunks, drug addicts, and homeless vets, the Vietnam war also produced a lot of very successful people.

Pat Sajak 3rd from the top right. A fine conservative and a surprisingly funny guy.

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12 posted on 11/23/2013 8:47:17 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: oh8eleven

LBJ had true faith in LBJ and no other. However, for some reason he developed a liking for his former foe John G. Tower.


13 posted on 11/23/2013 8:47:24 AM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Conservative Beacon

Oh for heavens sake.
Gerald Ford said a thread from Oswald’s shirt was found stuck to the buttstock of the Carcano rifle.

Why don’t we go back and blame CLAY SHAW for the murder! Dredge up the claim that a tired jury found him not guilty so they could go home!


14 posted on 11/23/2013 8:48:32 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Conservative Beacon

Doesn’t Roger Stone have his own “issues” or has he finally outgrown them?


15 posted on 11/23/2013 8:48:40 AM PST by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs are flirting with Christie, but it's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: Mark17
While I was there, I did not want to be there.
Good Lord man, you wuz AF at Bien Hoa Air Base. I'd have GLADLY done my 13 months there.
16 posted on 11/23/2013 8:49:45 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: deport

Who stood to gain the most by the demise and/or removal of JFK?

Fortune smiles upon those who actively seek greater gain. Denied the nomination in 1960 by some backroom shenanigans at the Democrat National Convention, with only a small bone tossed his way from the Kennedy Mafia, Uncle Elbie Jay was no stranger to using extralegal ways to either assure personal advantage to himself, or to cover up his earlier extralegal activities.

Elbie Jay did not pull the trigger himself, but he almost certainly knew who to call in order to set the series of events into motion.

And it wasn’t Bobby Kennedy.


17 posted on 11/23/2013 8:50:16 AM PST by alloysteel (The Internet, a most exquisite system by which to confound and muddle any reasonable dialogue.)
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To: Theodore R.

Considering LBJ had a heart attack in the 1950s, I question just how ambitious he truly would have been at that point. This is the same guy that chose to step down rather than run for re-election.

Of course I suppose that’s more fodder, because some could say that LBJ was offered a deal to step down, and not let the truth of his involvement in the assassination to come out in exchange.


18 posted on 11/23/2013 8:53:22 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: Mark17

You wouldn’t have lasted a week in the boonies.


19 posted on 11/23/2013 8:54:08 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: oh8eleven

Welcome Home, Brother!


20 posted on 11/23/2013 8:55:58 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Conservative Beacon

Motive is established as extremely strong.

From there we should ask, did LBJ have any moral convictions which would prevent him from acting on his motive?


21 posted on 11/23/2013 9:15:36 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Conservative Beacon
I don't think LBJ killed JKF but it is interesting that the liberal media hardly mentions the strained relationship between the southern democrats and the Kennedys over civil rights.
22 posted on 11/23/2013 9:19:48 AM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Mark17

Thank you for your service and Welcome Home.


23 posted on 11/23/2013 9:24:34 AM PST by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Conservative Beacon

When JFK set our sights on the Moon Marvin had not choice but to protect his colony!

24 posted on 11/23/2013 9:24:37 AM PST by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: Conservative Beacon
So Connelly did it for LBJ?
25 posted on 11/23/2013 9:24:54 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Conservative Beacon

Many believe, as I do, that the Mafia was involved. My mother saved the We lived in New Orleans. In the Nov. 21 edition, there was a small blip on Page 1 that Carlos Marcello was to stand trial in N.O. on Nov. 22 for deportation. Bobby Kennedy, being the Atty Genl, was pushing for this, and the Marcello people were fighting this tooth and nail. I don’t know if this had anything to do with it, or the timing was just a huge coincidence. But I thought it was interesting nevertheless.


26 posted on 11/23/2013 9:42:32 AM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: Conservative Beacon

Okay.... I confess...I was behind the grassy knoll that day (I became a crack shot at the age of five).


27 posted on 11/23/2013 9:52:18 AM PST by Stepan12
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To: Conservative Beacon

JFK was having an affair with a communist agent. That info was getting ready to come out. How would that look when held up against JFK’s handling of The Bay of Pigs and removing the missiles from Turkey? How would that have affected the Democrat party back then? LBJ was in on it, but it was the Democrat party. They made a hero out of a goat.


28 posted on 11/23/2013 9:54:04 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Conservative Beacon

Yes. See if you can find the tenth episode of the Men Who Killed Kennedy.


29 posted on 11/23/2013 9:57:43 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: murron

The magic bullet theory where the Warren Commission lost me.

30 posted on 11/23/2013 9:57:55 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: Stepan12
*snicker*
you, too?.. l was (8 yo) in the stormsewer
further up the pike..win. deer rifle.

31 posted on 11/23/2013 10:01:18 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a gun..0'Caligula / 0'Reid / 0'Pelosi 8-)
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To: Conservative Beacon
I never liked Johnson.

Never was one of his "Mah fello' Ahmuricans."

32 posted on 11/23/2013 10:09:18 AM PST by stboz
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To: Conservative Beacon

A man hungry enough for power in 1963 kills a President, but then is so NOT hungry for power in 1968, a mere 5 years later - he doesn’t bother to run again for President?

Makes no sense.


33 posted on 11/23/2013 10:15:27 AM PST by PGR88
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To: laplata
Thank you for your service and Welcome Home.

And thank you for yours as well. Welcome home too.

34 posted on 11/23/2013 10:26:34 AM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: blueunicorn6

“JFK was having an affair with a communist agent.”

You must be reading Bobby Baker’s “Sex in the Senate.” If so, you know the rascals in the senate at that time. There is no reason to believe that much has changed.


35 posted on 11/23/2013 10:27:38 AM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: oh8eleven

Welcome home too, bro.


36 posted on 11/23/2013 10:30:54 AM PST by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Veteran, 70-71)
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To: billhilly

I first saw it on a Discovery TV show several years ago. The press wasn’t worried that our Commander In Chief was having an affair with a communist agent. They were worried that average Americans would find out about it. The press has been bought by the Democrats for years.


37 posted on 11/23/2013 10:39:29 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: aimhigh

Ditto.
After the magic bullet idea everything else has to be assumed to be a cover up for somebody. Bullets just don’t do that.


38 posted on 11/23/2013 11:01:01 AM PST by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
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To: deport

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3094541/posts

Discussed here too I think.


39 posted on 11/23/2013 11:06:35 AM PST by BeadCounter (Scott Walker: "Unintimidated")
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To: fella

I have read elsewhere that JFK was not the target but Connelly was. Oswald missed his real target, hit the guy behind him.

More conspiracy fodder.


40 posted on 11/23/2013 11:09:13 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Conservative Beacon

yeah right. blah blah blah….repetition over the years does not improve any of the arguments.

50n years later this is a relevant as O’s birth certificate. WHile interesting it changes nothing


41 posted on 11/23/2013 11:12:43 AM PST by Nifster
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To: aimhigh
Not vouching for the theory but it goes more like this because Connally was more in jump-seat, actually a different seating arrangement. This is part of the problem with studying the assassination, too much information out there and in the end for what?? 2nd graphic from Posner's book.
42 posted on 11/23/2013 11:12:52 AM PST by BeadCounter (Scott Walker: "Unintimidated")
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To: Conservative Beacon

Now that I have read this story more closely, this is why what Stone is saying is important even if some people assert we were told this before in other books.

http://theconservativebeacon.com/lbj-kill-jfk

FINGERPRINT, it is being asserted that an “alleged” heavy of LBJ’s, Malcolm Wallace had a fingerprint of his found at the TSBD, Texas Schoolbook Depository. If this is so, I’ve got to say it would seem to be “real” evidence.


43 posted on 11/23/2013 11:21:54 AM PST by BeadCounter (Scott Walker: "Unintimidated")
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To: Conservative Beacon

Now that I have read this story more closely, this is why what Stone is saying is important even if some people assert we were told this before in other books.

http://theconservativebeacon.com/lbj-kill-jfk

FINGERPRINT, it is being asserted that an “alleged” heavy of LBJ’s, Malcolm Wallace had a fingerprint of his found at the TSBD, Texas Schoolbook Depository. If this is so, I’ve got to say it would seem to be “real” evidence.


44 posted on 11/23/2013 11:21:55 AM PST by BeadCounter (Scott Walker: "Unintimidated")
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To: BeadCounter

Thanks. That is three thread this is being discussed on. Linking them helps
keep cross tabs on info. This has apparently become a topic of interest because
of the TV shows and the 50th anniversary of the event. One show that I saw was
featuring all the various conspiracy theories.


45 posted on 11/23/2013 11:25:55 AM PST by deport
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To: dfwgator

I don’t know if it will ever be proven, but most Texans know that LBJ was among the most corrupt, cutthoat, and ruthless politican in the history of this state.


46 posted on 11/23/2013 11:29:07 AM PST by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: catfish1957
LBJ was among the most corrupt, cutthoat, and ruthless politican in the history of this state.

You'll get no argument from me on that.

47 posted on 11/23/2013 11:30:31 AM PST by dfwgator (Fire Muschamp.)
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To: deport

And speaking for myself, a lot of times, I will comment while not having read the whole article.

It’s mindblowing that according to Roger Stone, writer of this book that Richard Nixon said he knew who Jack Ruby was “instantly”, there’s been so much JFK stuff, hard to keep up but that is amazing:

“Richard Nixon told me in 1982 that he immediately knew who Jack Ruby was when he saw him shoot Oswald,” Stone told The Daily Caller in an extensive interview.

Among other revelations, Stone told TheDC that Nixon hired Jack Ruby as a House committee informant at Johnson’s request years prior to the Kennedy assassination, which occurred 50 years ago today.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/22/roger-stone-nixon-thought-lbj-killed-kennedy/#ixzz2lUzIRgxm

Roger Stone for those who don’t know going off the top here, worked with Richard Nixon and Stone worked for the Libertarian campaign last year. Perhaps Stone is an eccentric personality in his own right.

So tread slowly with this guy.


48 posted on 11/23/2013 11:31:03 AM PST by BeadCounter (Scott Walker: "Unintimidated")
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To: BeadCounter

I think it’s important to remember that “eccentric” personalities can belong to either honest or dishonest individuals.

The question is not whether Stone is eccentric or mainstream in temperament.

The question is whether he tells the truth.


49 posted on 11/23/2013 11:47:32 AM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Conservative Beacon; a fool in paradise

When it comes to the JFK ASSassination theories, I believe the book written by Brenda Jagger which says that “after all it was you and me.”


50 posted on 11/23/2013 11:52:53 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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