Posted on 02/27/2014 3:43:57 PM PST by ResisTyr
The Born “Gay” Hoax
By 1985, the pro-sodomy movement The born “gay” hoax was invented in 1985 by Marshall Kirk and Dr. Hunter Madsen. Marshall Kirk graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University in 1980 majoring in psychology and went on to become a writer and researcher in neuropsychiatry. Dr. Hunter Madsen earned a PhD in politics from Harvard University in 1985, then went on to become an expert on public persuasion tactics, social marketing, and has designed commercial marketing on Madison Avenue. He has also served as a consultant to pro-sodomy media campaigns across America.
In 1985, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen co-authored an article entitled The Gay Agenda in a pro-sodomy magazine called Christopher Street. In short, the article emphasized the strategic importance of shifting the central issue in the debate over “homosexuality” away from sodomy and toward a sexual pseudo-identity called “gay.” The goal of The Gay Agenda was to force opponents of sodomy into a position where they would be seen as attacking the civil rights of so-called “gay” citizens, rather than opposing a specific antisocial behavior. The Gay Agenda also briefly outlined the strategy that would eventually be used to convince the public that individuals are born “gay.”
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I think that leftists and those influenced by them are very loud.
But I have a lot of optimism. It is darkest before dawn.
Mail! LOL
I don’t believe that there’s much truth to what you’ve written.
I don’t think images of the brains of homosexual men are any different than those of heterosexual men. (Even if that was true, it could be related to psychological conditioning and not necessarily go back to pregnancy.)
I don’t believe that there’s anything empirically (biologically) different about homosexual men.
I do believe that there have been some tests with rats that show that some external factors may affect pregnant rats, but it’s not clear to me that you can extrapolate this to human beings.
Also, if what you were saying was the case, there should still be some homosexual men who had close relationships to their fathers. The fact that that is unusual (and possibly unheard of) certainly points to environmental factors as facilitating homosexuality.
Thanks you for attempting to redirect this discussion to the original subject matter.
"Jamming" homo-hatred (disagreement with homosexual behaviors) was to be done by linking it to Nazi horror, advised Kirk and Madsen. Associate all who oppose homosexuality with images of Klansmen demanding that gays be slaughtered, hysterical backwoods preachers, menacing punks, and a tour of Nazi concentration camps where homosexuals were tortured and gassed. Thus, "propagandistic advertisement can depict homophobic and homohating bigots as crude loudmouths..."[48][49]
Dr. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, writes,
There can be no doubt that Christianity represents the greatest obstacle to the normalization of homosexual behavior. It cannot be otherwise, because of the clear biblical teachings concerning the inherent sinfulness of homosexuality in all forms, and the normativity of heterosexual marriage. In order to counter this obstacle, Kirk and Madsen advised gays to "use talk to muddy the moral waters, that is, to undercut the rationalizations that 'justify' religious bigotry and to jam some of its psychic rewards." How can this be done? "This entails publicizing support by moderate churches and raising serious theological objections to conservative biblical teachings." [The latter of which attempts homosexuality and biblical interpretation examine and expose.][50]
Kirk and Madsen's open admission of their deceptive tactics is noted as most revealing: [O]ur effect is achieved without reference to facts, logic, or proof. "...the person's beliefs can be altered whether he is conscious of the attack or not"[51] “The campaign we outline in this book, though complex, depends centrally upon a program of unabashed propaganda, firmly grounded in long-established principles of psychology and advertising.”[52][53]
Similarly, author Robert Bauman additionally records: "It makes no difference that the ads are lies... because were using them to ethically good effect, to counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much lies, and far more wicked ones."[54]
The need for Kirk and Madsen to engage in such manipulation may be seen as being due to their sober realization of the nature of the homosexual lifestyle.
“In short, the gay lifestyle - if such a chaos can, after all, legitimately be called a lifestyle - it just doesn’t work: it doesn’t serve the two functions for which all social framework evolve: to constrain people’s natural impulses to behave badly and to meet their natural needs. While it’s impossible to provide an exhaustive analytic list of all the root causes and aggravants of this failure, we can asseverate at least some of the major causes. Many have been dissected, above, as elements of the Ten Misbehaviors; it only remains to discuss the failure of the gay community to provide a viable alternative to the heterosexual family.”[55]
David Kupelian, author of The Marketing of Evil, describes Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, stating,
Kirk and Madsen were not the kind of drooling activists that would burst into churches and throw condoms in the air. They were smart guys – very smart. Kirk, a Harvard-educated researcher in neuropsychiatry, work with the Johns Hopkins Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth and designed aptitude tests for adults with 200+ IQs. Madsen, with a doctorate in politics from Harvard, was an expert on public persuasion tactics and social marketing.[56]
Marshall Kirk died in 2005 at the age of 47.[57] The cause of death has not been publicly revealed.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_agenda#Strategies_and_psychological_tactics
Thank you for that additional info on those two evil perverts.
While i agree there are former homosexuals, as there are former drug addicts (though i have yet to meet a totally former sinner), broadly rejecting Christian theology when dealing with homosexual agenda lies means that you hold that the former has no place in defining what lies are, but that something else can.
Certainly medical studies have weight insofar as they are valid, and related to the "nurture versus nature" debate, yet the theological aspect does also. (Gn. 4:7)
And the Bible allows that what parents can do can affect offspring, (perhaps besides nurture, as some studies indicate DNA can change thru generations due to their experiences), yet it negates justifying acting out sinful inner proclivities, a we all are born with them, but not as slaves to any particular sin, which man can at least resist in the beginning.
And refutation of attempts to negate the Biblical injunctions against homosexual relations, and find sanction for them, can be seen here , by the grace of God.
But there is more from "After the Ball" here: http://www.henrymakow.com/201101.html I do not think some people want it exposed.
And while i did find anything on Hunter Madsen, WP says
Marshall suffered from severe migraine headaches that were preceded by a strong desire to talk in a rapid monologue. He found that if he gave into these "babbling fits", the headache would be alleviated. He had other medical problems and suffered from bouts of depression that required electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) on three occasions.
Because of the negative effects on his memory, he considered ECT to be the last alternative to avoid death. In part due to this medical history, his knowledge of pharmacology was usually greater than that of anyone who treated him. When he died, he was found alone in his apartment by two friends. The cause of death has never been publicly revealed. During years at Edward Little High school Marshall complained of stomach nausea and seldom ate. He was extremely under weight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Kirk
I am not rejecting at all moral absolutes based on religious scripture or religious based moral principles.
I just don’t want, myself, to get into a discussion of theology in regards to whether there are or are not “former” homosexuals seen through the lens of any particular Christian viewpoint. Especially since even among Christians such viewopoints may vary in particulars; it is not germane to the “born that way” or “made” discussion.
I agree with DJMacWoW - we are born with a sinful nature, but that doesn’t mean some are born to be thieves, some born to be murderers, some born to be pedopiles, some born to be homosexuals, etc.
Question...is it possible that the stress on a mother is transferred to a fetus...the fetus learns from that stress and it creates or alters its normal development and thus it is born with a learned behavior that is abnormal? Then, as the baby/child develops and the mother’s behavior or stress continues and reinforces what was learned in the womb, it then pushes the child down a path towards homosexuality? Not saying at the decision point on whether or not to engage in the homosexual act is not a choice. Thoughtful responses are appreciated and I would prefer to take religion out of the debate, although I am a practicing Christian.
No. I can’t see how elevated stress levels would determine the object of sexual desire. It is not logical. It would produce an agitated, discontented person. It would affect personality.
OTOH, I read Moberly’s “Psychogenesis” and you should read that.
When there is child abuse/neglect in infants/child, dysfunctions occur. It is interaction between mother and child which is crucial in early childhood and loving fathers should have some contact. It is important for little boys to re-identity with the father after they break away from the mother. Peer play is important also.....all together the way a child “sees” and “loves” and “feels’ is determined from the interactions of the adults in their early life.
Peer play becomes very important in Latency. It is essential to know the type of “friends” they have-—because they can be extremely warped by children who have been abused.
People like Hitler—had an extremely abusive father and Hitler was sexually perverted. Same with Jeffrey Dahmer whose father raped him all through childhood. Children can not grow up emotionally healthy when their environment is so sick and evil. They “see” humans as evil and hate them. The emotions are embedded and deep and nearly impossible to dispel.
Many do seem to exhibit a crappy perspective.
Also of note is that i surmise there was/is an effort to reduce the number of hard copies of After the Ball, as Amazon has it as Hardcover from $90.00 11; Used from $90.00; 7 New from $94.49
Paperback from $59.91 16 Used from $59.91 1 New from $170.00 1 Collectible from $399.99
It seems some people do not want the deceitful tactics exposed.
How so?
Homosexuality is equivalent to the well-known “Stockholm Syndrome” in which captives come to relate with and sympathize with their Cato's—truly a conditioned, e.g. learned, response, which can be, albeit with difficulty, reversed.
So what are the brain waves like in a Stockholm subject? Oh wait! We can't do that study because we can't predict kidnappings; but we can surely predict the predations of the homosexual community, can't we?
Let’s use Darwinian Natural Selection Theory. All life exists to REPRODUCE itself. Defective Non-Reproducing offspring are Eliminated from the gene pool.
How could the So-Called “Gay Gene” be passed on, generation after generation, if the possessor of that gene were not able (willing) to merge it’s genetic material with a suitable FEMALE partner.
Evolution (if true) is supposed to produce an ever more adapted individual.
If you are too stupid to know which hole to put it into, Natural Selection would quickly erase your kind from existence.
Same Sex attraction tendencies are the result of Pscho-Social Influences, Not a complete “wiff” on the part of “Natural Selection.”
See Post 80.
The Malpais Legate Does Not of Approve of this Faggotry
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