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E-Bomb: The Electronic Weapon That Can Make a Plane “Disappear”
SHTF Plan ^ | 3/11/14 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 03/11/2014 4:58:32 PM PDT by Kartographer

Weapons designers specializing in high-energy physics can now create electromagnetic pulses without going into outer space. One approach involves harnessing the force of a conventional explosion. Others are simply just modifications of radar, which bounces pulses of energy off aircraft in flight, vehicles on the ground, and other objects.

Crank up the power and you have an EMP weapon, ready to point at the computers of your favorite enemy.This knowledge has set off a new arms race. Whether fitted into cruise missiles or parked at the side of the road in a van, non-nuclear EMP weapons have the potential to devastate the electronic systems of areas as large as a city or as small as a selected building, all without being seen, heard, or felt by a single soul.

It is a dream come true for any and all terrorists.

Sound far-fetched? It did not in 1993 to the owners of automobiles parked about 300 meters from a U.S. Defense Contractor’s EMP generator test site at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Their alternators and electronic engine controls were accidentally fried by a pulse during classified field trials.

Source: Military Intelligence Professional Bulletin

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: emp; malaysia; mh370
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Well another fine kettle of fish we ned to keep an eye on.
1 posted on 03/11/2014 4:58:32 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


2 posted on 03/11/2014 4:59:17 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The antidote is called a Faraday cage. All good preppers keep sensitive electronics in it. And keeping a spare computer and ignition box for your F150 in there is a great idea as well.


3 posted on 03/11/2014 5:03:05 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

Or keep an old fashioned vehicle around with points/condenser ignition...


4 posted on 03/11/2014 5:07:54 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Kartographer
Sound far-fetched? It did not in 1993 to the owners of automobiles parked about 300 meters from a U.S. Defense Contractor’s EMP generator test site at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida. Their alternators and electronic engine controls were accidentally fried by a pulse during classified field trials.

Yes it does sounds far fetched. A modern alternator shouldn't fry any more than one from a `68 Ford.

As far as other engine controls go, the engine compartment of an automobile is an extremely harsh environment. Perhaps if there was already a grounding problem something might get cooked. If the grounding is good, why should it cook? Since when do repair shops take great precautions when welding on a vehicle?

5 posted on 03/11/2014 5:09:59 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Kartographer
Radar could knock out some engines and radios also. High power lines could knock out some of the earl high energy ignitions but I think that has been fixed. Popular Science had an article on how to build your own EMP bomb with high explosives in the 70’s.

I wonder if a hacker could get into the plane's computer and shut off the pilots and take over the plane?

6 posted on 03/11/2014 5:11:30 PM PDT by mountainlion
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To: varmintman

Diesel engine... for the win.


7 posted on 03/11/2014 5:11:50 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: fso301
It didn't say that'a' contractor had the car electrical system messed up it says owners plural.
8 posted on 03/11/2014 5:14:42 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: fso301
Welders disconnect the battery before welding on a vehicle
9 posted on 03/11/2014 5:15:10 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Re-elect nobody)
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To: Kartographer
I see a pic from satellite image that looks like a 777

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014

10 posted on 03/11/2014 5:18:12 PM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: Kartographer
Terrorists now have an airliner the size of any other massive bomber. It will be painted as a domestic airliner and flown over a major city, at which point we will discover if they truly have a nuclear device or a "dirty nuke" type weapon. Maybe even a bio/chem agent...

Either way, this level of silence from government? You know it's deep doo-doo.

Like, maybe it's "already happened"...

11 posted on 03/11/2014 5:19:07 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: clee1

I believe even the plastic airliners (Boeing’s Dreamliner) have a Faraday cage designed into the structure — not specifically for protection from EMP used as a weapon, but for protection from lightning.


12 posted on 03/11/2014 5:20:22 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Kartographer
It didn't say that'a' contractor had the car electrical system messed up it says owners plural.

Think about it a little. People generally agree that older vehicles such as a `68 Ford are not affected by an EMP because they do not use sensitive electronics. If the alternator for a `68 Ford is unaffected by EMP, why should the alternator from say a `93 Pontiac have problems? It's a coil, a magnet and a voltage regulator.

13 posted on 03/11/2014 5:21:53 PM PDT by fso301
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To: vigilante2
Welders disconnect the battery before welding on a vehicle That's the battery. They don't always disconnect the battery and rarely do they disconnect the ECU.
14 posted on 03/11/2014 5:24:27 PM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301

I thought about and your assumation that they are not effected is does not match the actual results.


15 posted on 03/11/2014 5:24:51 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=18224

Diehl...German Briefcase EMP device

Figure 2-6 (above) of the Meta-R-323 report shows a picture of a German-made “briefcase weapon” that can produce a directed EMP beam. That weapon was demonstrated in 2004. If such a weapon was revealed openly six years ago, then it is entirely possible for a foreign government to have such a directed-EMP weapon that could be mounted aboard a submarine. In the introduction of that same report, it asserts that an aircraft fire aboard the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal during the Vietnam War was caused when a radar antenna was accidentally directed at a fighter aircraft, and then that aircraft’s weapon system accidentally fired its missile at another fighter jet on the flight deck. (This was the fire that burned now-Senator John McCain.) If a crude and accidental EMP incident could trigger an unintentional missile launch more than 40 years ago, then an intentional EMP incident using the most modern technology could cripple a cruise ship today. And, if a naval vessel is equipped with the same electrical system as the cruise ship, then the naval vessel would be equally vulnerable.


16 posted on 03/11/2014 5:26:00 PM PDT by wxgesr (I wanna bodysurf in the Black Sea)
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To: Kartographer
I thought about and your assumation that they are not effected is does not match the actual results.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here.

17 posted on 03/11/2014 5:26:22 PM PDT by fso301
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To: zipper

The cage is built to keep EMP out, but what if the EMP originates from inside the cage?


18 posted on 03/11/2014 5:26:37 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Transponder was off, ACARS was off, plane makes a big left turn.....and “disappears”....

Yeah, it was an EMP weapon. Or maybe a UFO!

Occam’s razor is still sharp.


19 posted on 03/11/2014 5:29:08 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: fso301
Are you a welder?
20 posted on 03/11/2014 5:29:23 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Re-elect nobody)
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To: fso301

‘How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?’

So multiple cars parked near the test site of a EMP weapon electrical systems all failed at the sametime and the EMP weapon had nothing to do with it?


21 posted on 03/11/2014 5:30:06 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

They have plans how to make one of these on the internet - hardest part to find is the REALLY BIG capacitor you need ...


22 posted on 03/11/2014 5:35:38 PM PDT by 11th_VA (I want a president who won't enforce tax laws ...)
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To: fso301
If the alternator for a `68 Ford is unaffected by EMP, why should the alternator from say a `93 Pontiac have problems? It's a coil, a magnet and a voltage regulator.

I don't know for certain, but I believe most modern alternators are controlled by a pulse width modulated signal from the engine computer. I would assume there's a module on the alternator that has to decode the signal and convert it to actual voltage changes in the unit itself. Perhaps that module is where the vulnerability lies.
23 posted on 03/11/2014 5:36:05 PM PDT by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: vigilante2
Are you a welder?

I've struck a few arcs. Next time you are near a muffler or body shop, stop in, tell them you are researching EMP and ask if a welder properly grounded to the vehicle is likely to damage it?

24 posted on 03/11/2014 5:37:50 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Kartographer
The cage is built to keep EMP out, but what if the EMP originates from inside the cage?

Then I suppose everyone inside would be fried, but those outside the cage (outside of the airplane) would be fine. That is, if they were far enough away to avoid the explosion that produced the EMP!

25 posted on 03/11/2014 5:38:57 PM PDT by zipper ("The Second Amendment IS my carry permit!" -- Ted Nugent)
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To: chrisser
I don't know for certain, but I believe most modern alternators are controlled by a pulse width modulated signal from the engine computer. I would assume there's a module on the alternator that has to decode the signal and convert it to actual voltage changes in the unit itself. Perhaps that module is where the vulnerability lies.

Isn't anything near an alternator in a harsh electrical environment?

26 posted on 03/11/2014 5:39:43 PM PDT by fso301
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To: zipper

And the fly by wire components on the inside of the plane would be?


27 posted on 03/11/2014 5:40:31 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
ready to point at the computers of your favorite enemy.


28 posted on 03/11/2014 5:41:54 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Rodamala

You would have to have the old time mechanical injectors, otherwise your fuel system would quit working.


29 posted on 03/11/2014 5:45:11 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Kartographer

Or maybe...just maybe Malaysia f***ing Airlines didn’t properly maintain an incredibly complex aircraft and it failed the way incredibly complex systems do when neglected.


30 posted on 03/11/2014 5:52:01 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: 11th_VA
They have plans how to make one of these on the internet - hardest part to find is the REALLY BIG capacitor you need ...

31 posted on 03/11/2014 5:52:30 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: fso301

Before I retired, I was involved in lines of heavy manufacturing machinery, all with their own computers and all connected with conveyors. A main computer was linked to the computers on each machine and kept track of what they were doing.

Early in the development of these systems, before we learned better, we had a local welder make a change on one of the conveyors, which also was controlled by one of the computers.

We zapped the main computer.

I drive a Ford F350 and regularly pull a horse trailer.

Every time I need welding on the trailer, the welders completely disconnect the trailer from the truck and I mean completely; wiring, hitch, all of it.

Welding anything connected to a computer is not wise.


32 posted on 03/11/2014 5:55:52 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: clee1

So do you shunt or open the spare module for your engine, so the spare doesn’t get fried at the same time?


33 posted on 03/11/2014 5:56:26 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Orangedog

Also possible, but I lean toward Post #26 this thread. Malaysia may heve been forced to shoot down the plane.


34 posted on 03/11/2014 5:56:49 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: fso301

I don’t need to. A smart welder will disconnect the battery!


35 posted on 03/11/2014 5:57:06 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Re-elect nobody)
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36 posted on 03/11/2014 5:59:13 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: old curmudgeon
Early in the development of these systems, before we learned better, we had a local welder make a change on one of the conveyors, which also was controlled by one of the computers. We zapped the main computer.

Similar stories abound.

I drive a Ford F350 and regularly pull a horse trailer.

Every time I need welding on the trailer, the welders completely disconnect the trailer from the truck and I mean completely; wiring, hitch, all of it.

Nothing wrong with that for your own vehicle. I'd do the same. However, I think you will find that car repair guys generally make sure they have a good ground close to where they strike the arc and let it go at that.

38 posted on 03/11/2014 6:08:20 PM PDT by fso301
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To: vigilante2

Stop by a muffler shop sometime and watch.


39 posted on 03/11/2014 6:09:14 PM PDT by fso301
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To: clee1
Some have suggested a defunct microwave oven as a good option for safe parts storage. I'd pull the old electrical components out and ground the case, but that's just me. (You might just find that there's a bad cap on the board and get it back up for a buck or two.)

As for vehicles, pre mid-'80s without computer controlled fuel injection. Spare loaded distributor, plugs, wires, coil, starter, alternator, and battery. Toss in a spool of wire and a box of connectors. Takes a lot of old microwaves to store all that stuff. :)

40 posted on 03/11/2014 6:19:32 PM PDT by kitchen (Even the walls have ears.)
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To: Rodamala

That would work...


41 posted on 03/11/2014 6:19:56 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Kartographer

The Diehl company briefcase sized EMP weapon can be purchased for around $40K.

Easily timed and stored in baggage or even carried onboard and stowed in the overhead near the CPUs.

Lights out, no connection to the outside world, all instrumentation, flight controls, no nada....

Can these planes be flown dead stick?


42 posted on 03/11/2014 6:31:41 PM PDT by wxgesr (I wanna bodysurf in the Black Sea)
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To: Caipirabob

I think its the staff that was stolen.....


43 posted on 03/11/2014 6:46:18 PM PDT by Therapsid
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To: fso301

Do you understand now what I was getting at?


44 posted on 03/11/2014 6:46:51 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: vigilante2

“Welders disconnect the battery before welding on a vehicle “

No they don’t...


45 posted on 03/11/2014 6:50:06 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Kartographer

I think the spooks should be finding out whether the guys travelling on stolen passports are qualified in heavy aircraft, specifically the 777.

Did the captain invite them into the cockpit? Or maybe some more babes that then let the bad guys in.

Next question:

It is only 1,600 miles farther to Iran than to Beijing.

Since one needs fuel to an alternate plus 45 minutes, it is conceivable the aircraft had enough fuel on board.

OK, so did it?

So then how to get there?

Dive to below radar coverage after turning off the transponders and any other equipment that talks to the ground automatically.

Fly the required distance below radar coverage. At some point put the transponder on an Iranian military code and climb back to an altitude that does not cause fuel exhaustion.

Land in Iran.

Now you have the tool to deliver either an EMP or some other surprise.

James Bond stuff?

Yes, but there is James Bond stuff going on all over the world already.


46 posted on 03/11/2014 6:53:26 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: pallis

Trust me... Most of what I have run has been mechanical IPs.


47 posted on 03/11/2014 6:53:46 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: clee1
It's all in here.
48 posted on 03/11/2014 6:54:22 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: chrisser

“I don’t know for certain, but I believe most modern alternators are controlled by a pulse width modulated signal from the engine computer. I would assume there’s a module on the alternator that has to decode the signal and convert it to actual voltage changes in the unit itself. Perhaps that module is where the vulnerability lies. “

Nope... the three phase voltage that is rectified for the output of an alternator is simply controlled by the dc voltage applied to the stator...


49 posted on 03/11/2014 6:57:36 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: vigilante2

“I don’t need to. A smart welder will disconnect the battery!”

If you disconnect the battery on a 2006 or later car, you can’t do an emission test for a month, or have driven X number of miles. This is because the computer is reset. Welders do not disconnect the battery. That would actually increase the danger from RFI.


50 posted on 03/11/2014 7:05:14 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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