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Greenfield: To Understand Trump You Have to Understand New York
The Sultan Knish blog ^ | Thursday, February 11, 2016 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 02/14/2016 11:42:59 AM PST by Louis Foxwell

Thursday, February 11, 2016

To Understand Trump, You Have to Understand New York

Posted by Daniel Greenfield

The conservative consensus around Trump has solidified into, "He's the devil" or "He's our savior." Either Trump is going to destroy the establishment and save us all. Or he's secretly in league with Hillary Clinton to rig the election. There's very little room for the middle ground here.

But Trump isn't either of these things. He's just Trump. And it's important to understand who he is.  Instead of the narratives that the different sides are building around him.

Trump seems exotic in a Republican system dominated by D.C. insiders from northeastern suburbs and filled with southern and western candidates. But local politics in New York is filled with guys who have the same blend of liberal-conservative politics and talk and sound just like him.

Giuliani's political career really began with him yelling, "He blames it on me! He blames it on you! Bulls__t" at a police rally. The cops then took over City Hall chanting, "No justice, no police."

Christie's national rise began with the release of videos in which he berated union members and humiliated questioners. Republicans fell in love, at least until the infamous Obama hug happened. And yet the establishment forgets that some of its key members were begging a guy who has the same personality, attitude and style as Trump to run for president before the last election.

Call it New York values, but some of what Trump's critics object to is a New York-Jersey-Philly abrasive political style that puts a premium on "telling it like it is" at the expense of civility and sometimes substance. You can catch Bill O'Reilly doing the same thing on FOX News.

It's disingenuous for the establishment to pretend that Trump is some sort of complete break from civility. It's not. It's just New York Values taken to their most obnoxious extreme. If the establishment thought that President Chris "Numbn__s" Christie had enough class, why not Trump? 

But the trouble with the common sense tough guy style in urban politics is that it compensates for weakness elsewhere. Giuliani and Christie were very tough in one specific area. In Giuliani's case that was crime and it was such a major issue for the city that some of his more liberal positions didn't matter. In national politics, those positions did matter when Giuliani ran for president.

But the positions did matter even in local politics. Giuliani did a great job cleaning up the city, but he didn't change the system. Today the city is once again wholly run by the left-wing machine. And if you don't change the system, then all you're doing is buying a little more time.

That's arguably the only thing Republicans have really been doing anyway since FDR.

The other thing to understand about this style of politics is that it reactivly taps into the frustrations that people have toward the system. It doesn't offer a political insider critique of it, but a man on the street shout. Sometimes the people doing that understand the issues very well. They're just pitching it at the level of the angry voter.

But what makes Trump so frustrating is that he actually seems to be reacting. No one really believes that Obama finds out about his scandals from the media. It's plausible though that Trump arrives at his positions by watching FOX News or clicking through the Drudge Report and reacting to what he sees. If you listen to his explanation for his shift on Syrian migrants, that seems to be what happened.

The power of the reactive style is that it channels the exact same reactions that people had when hearing about some of the more shocking implications and facts about Syrian migrants, and realizing that another position was not only possible, but made more sense.

The average Republican voter is not a policy expert. Like Trump, he's often learning about some of these things for the first time. Trump is excellent at capturing that bar/barbershop angry reaction and it may even be completely authentic. His responses are much more relatable than that of the politician or the expert who already understands the issue. But reacting isn't leadership. Leaders are supposed to understand the issue. And when you can't know everything, you need to work from firm principles.

Here some conservatives object that Trump channels a conservative outrage machine, rather than conservative principles. And they're probably right. He isn't the only candidate in the race doing that. Conservatives won their victories by mobilizing outrage, not through position papers. Conservative candidates in the race have turned to the right because of pressure from the base.

The trouble with Trump though is that he has no positions, only reactions. Beyond the outrage, his actual plans grow vague or backtrack. Obama loves calling his think tank leftist plans "common sense". Trump's plans actually are common sense, but they're a common sense produced by some combination of FOX News, unknown websites and chats with some of his friends.

And they're liable to change depending on whom he talks to and what he reads and watches.

What are Trump's plans for health care? The details are vague. But they're going to be whatever he thinks is a common sense solution. And the same thing is true all the way down the line.

But at the same time dismissing Trump's political skills is foolish and wrong. Trump has managed to do what no Republican in fifteen years had accomplished.

There's a simple fact that is key to understanding why Trump is winning. He's the first Republican presidential candidate since Bush II to lay out a positive, specific and easy to understand plan for making things better. Cruz has plan for eliminating everything Obama did. Rubio has a vague plan for being really positive about America. Jeb Bush can barely articulate a message at all.

Bush II's compassionate conservatism was a mess. But the point isn't who is right. The point is what works. Ever since Obama's victory, I have argued that Republicans desperately need a positive agenda that connects with working class Americans who are worried about the economy.

Whether or not Trump's plan would work in real life is also not the point. The messaging is.

Trump is labeled as a destructive candidate, yet he's the only one to have grasped the most basic principle of politics, which is that you have to tell people how you will improve their lives in a way that is easy for them to understand and remember. Trump has done that. His rivals haven't.

Republican dysfunction and left-wing extremism made Trump's candidacy happen. And that's usually how Republicans get ahead in New York. Trump is doing nationally what successful Republican candidates do locally, bypass a broken New York party organization and make their own campaign happen. Giuliani did it. So did Bloomberg, despite having zero conservative credentials.

In New York, the GOP is not going to make your campaign happen. You have to make your campaign happen, often by fighting an apathetic and rotten GOP establishment, while doing everything on your own. Trump is just running the same type of campaign nationally.

Overall, Trump becomes much easier to understand if you understand New York.

Tough talking socially liberal, fiscally conservative, sorta Republican candidates who operate outside the party bubble and push the rhetoric as hard as they can through the other side are the norm here.

New York values recently became a controversy. Even though New Yorkers don't like Trump (his
negative approval rating is in the seventies), he's a perfect representative of a particular type that is independent, drifting between parties, that believes in strong leadership, abroad and at home, that wants more social services, but lower taxes, a strong military, but without the nation building, that has no strong religious attachments, but a certain sense of public decency, that sounds working class while running a successful business, and that gets his view of the world from the New York Post and the Daily News morning paper reads. There are contradictions and hypocrisies in that mix, but also a set of values, if not ideas. It's a Democratic-Republican mix that may sometimes vote for Democrats, but that watches FOX News, because it's the closest thing to a fit for its worldview.

The rise of Trump is not that baffling if you understand that dysfunction, national, movement and party, has consequences. And in this case, the consequence is that the 2016 election is being dominated by New York candidates and worldviews. New York Values are a difficult thing to describe and boil down. But it does seem as if New York Values will determine this election.

The D.C. establishment has been widely rejected in both parties. Disgust and hatred for the establishment has tainted the capital. Political power centers around cities. We may well be looking at a national election defined by three insurgent New York candidates, Trump, Sanders and Bloomberg.

New York has the money. It's also a melting pot of ideas. Trump, Sanders and Bloomberg encompass the range of politics in the city, from the radical Socialist left to a man-on-the-street Republican reaction to the technocratic man of the middle ground who promises to split the difference. None of this has worked out too well for New York. Only time will tell how well it will work out for America.


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To: Lurker
Trump isn't our candidate. He's our murder weapon. And we are going to use him to gut the GOPe like a fish. Then we are going to toss the remains onto the gut pile for the buzzards. All good now?

Totally agree.

I do think Greenfield is right about this, however:

In New York, the GOP is not going to make your campaign happen. You have to make your campaign happen, often by fighting an apathetic and rotten GOP establishment, while doing everything on your own. Trump is just running the same type of campaign nationally.

21 posted on 02/14/2016 12:34:01 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: DesertRhino

Strong message, but the fact remains that the AVERAGE republican is not a policy expert, as he said. Being familiar or even knowledgeable of policy doesn’t equate to expertise.

Last night I was at my part time job. My partner on the shift is a retired career marine, 58, patriotic conservative, great guy and I trust him 100% to have my back.

News of Scalia’s death had just broken about an hour before we began our shift together. We talked prospects for Obama trying to replace Scalia. In discussing opinions I’d heard on WMAL driving in, my partner did not know who Joe DiGenova or Alan Dershowitz are. He also had to ask me whether Scalia was conservative. Later in the shift we talked about Islam. He had not heard of Dr. Bill Warner nor Lt. Col. Allen West.


22 posted on 02/14/2016 12:35:43 PM PST by IChing
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To: Lurker

Bingo. Treehouse.


23 posted on 02/14/2016 12:36:53 PM PST by IChing
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To: DesertRhino
He said the average republican voter isn't a policy expert. That's pure USDA prime, gold plated, bullshit. We have had our faces ground into policy like a dog into a mess on the carpet. We hump the hills, have ass in the grass, drove unsecure MSRs in Iraq, get ignored at the VA, have family killed by Mexicans, had grandmother heads sawed off in Oklahoma, daughters shot on the wharf in San Fran, been shot to pieces in San Berdoo by crazed dune coons, can't run a marathon in Boston, had the skinnies from Blackhawk down kick us out of cabs in Minneapolis, seen a bacchanal of homosexuality in our schools, watched our astronauts have to hitch rides on Russian spaceships, watched baby parts being sold, had our emails all stolen and read. Do we know policy Mr Sultan who I love? F'ing A bet your assets on it. We are F'ing policy experts! Is just that we utterly hate the policy, so they say we don't understand.

Every. Word. Gold.

24 posted on 02/14/2016 12:37:53 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: DesertRhino

It’s only February but I am already nominating yours for post of the year. Awesome.


25 posted on 02/14/2016 12:46:16 PM PST by whinecountry (Semper Ubi Sub Ubi)
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To: DesertRhino

Excellent screed, I was thinking along those lines myself.


26 posted on 02/14/2016 1:05:09 PM PST by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: DesertRhino

“Is just that we utterly hate the policy, so they say we don’t understand.”

Bingo!


27 posted on 02/14/2016 1:05:17 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: IChing

I haven’t heard of warner or digenova. You don’t need to know them to be a 100% expert on American domestic and firing policy. Yes, we are policy experts.
Your fallacy is that policy is a who’s who. Your friend and millions like him know what policy they want.


28 posted on 02/14/2016 1:08:55 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Louis Foxwell

The New York vales meme really helped Cruz too. /s


29 posted on 02/14/2016 1:12:02 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Trump for me. I want to see Hillary, Bernie or any demoncrap crushed)
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To: Lurker
Works for me.

The gods of the copybook headings counsel us to stick with the devil we know, but I've been doing that for 20+ years, and have gotten nowhere.

I want to see gutted fish.

30 posted on 02/14/2016 1:44:18 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: stocksthatgoup
The New York vales meme really helped Cruz too. /s

And the Cruz-cretins wonder why they get such a reaction from their constant posting of these 'hit blogs' - Hey! How about Trump's tax plan that makes Cruz's plan look like it was put together by a moronic graduate of Common Core.

31 posted on 02/14/2016 2:05:06 PM PST by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: DesertRhino

Go ahead and try to convince whoever that the average republican is a policy expert.

Expertise, by definition, is exceptional. Average, by definition, is not exceptional. This is basic logic. Is it too much for you?


32 posted on 02/14/2016 2:11:53 PM PST by IChing
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To: Louis Foxwell
Thanks again Mr. Foxwell for the DG thread.

Trump is labeled as a destructive candidate, yet he's the only one to have grasped the most basic principle of politics, which is that you have to tell people how you will improve their lives in a way that is easy for them to understand and remember. Trump has done that. His rivals haven't.

Still waiting for Trump to tell me how he is going to improve my life.

33 posted on 02/14/2016 2:29:29 PM PST by corbe (mystified)
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To: Lurker

Agree w you on all points and this is a rare miss for Daniel Greenfield. And if not Trump who does he have in mind? Our choices are limited. No one has talked about free trade, outsourcing and illegal immigration for a long time//// Not the way Donald Trump has and that’s good enough for me. All these trade deals since NAFTA deals stink for America, only make our trade deficits larger and Donald Trump is the only candidate boldly taking this on.
Only one candidate has talked loudly about putting up a wall at the Mexican border.


34 posted on 02/14/2016 2:47:37 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Louis Foxwell

That was a very good read please add me to the ping list. Thank you.


35 posted on 02/14/2016 2:57:04 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Lurker

Amen.


36 posted on 02/14/2016 3:02:28 PM PST by KGeorge
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To: Lurker

You seem to think it necessary to completely blow up the system.... tear it apart.... and render it a quivering mass completely ineffectual....Ok...then what’s it’s replacement?????....you can’t just leave a pile of destruction without cleaning up the mess and replacing it with “something”.....


37 posted on 02/14/2016 4:25:54 PM PST by caww
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To: corbe

Why would Trumps supporters defend a guy who refers to an opponent as a “pedophile” or a “pus**y”??.... that is not what civilized people do. ..Why would getting us destroyed by a liberalized SCOTUS an acceptable trade off for Trumps supporters for “getting even “with the establishment??

He supporters consistantly say....”HE TELLS IT LIKE IT IS” or “HE CAN’T BE BOUGHT” or some other moronic slogan which means absolutely nothing to anyone except to those who can’t comprehend obvious evidence why they should not be supporting Trump.


38 posted on 02/14/2016 4:31:02 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

“You seem to think it necessary to completely blow up the system.... tear it apart.... and render it a quivering mass completely ineffectual”

You DO get it!

What replaced the Whig Party?

L


39 posted on 02/14/2016 4:59:48 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker
Trump is whatever people want him to be. They want small government, suddenly and magically Trump is small government. Or pro-life. Or conservative.

He's going to carry the black vote, win 50 states, eliminate the Dept. of Education and the EPA, shrink government, get government back to work fixing things, win the woman vote, defeat and befriend Putin, fix the middle east, get rid of Kim Un. Appoint his sister and other conservatives to the SC. Lower taxes for me. Raise taxes for the others. Free healthcare.

Whatever, he can and will do everything. He's that awesome.

40 posted on 02/14/2016 5:01:13 PM PST by dead (Please clap.)
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