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One Marine, One Ship
Originally Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | 22 Oct 2000 | Vin Suprynowicz

Posted on 10/25/2020 4:12:27 PM PDT by DuncanWaring

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To: ealgeone

Well that is your take. I don’t see it that way, but that is me. reality is we don’t know if the statement was hyperbole or perhaps an accurate assessment. I still enjoyed the article.Perhaps you know further information that easily bolsters your argument. If so share what you actually know.


21 posted on 10/25/2020 5:22:19 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

No. He was not fact on all the points. That’s the issue.


22 posted on 10/25/2020 5:22:25 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Robert DeLong
http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm

We were not going to lose to Japan.

23 posted on 10/25/2020 5:24:47 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: DuncanWaring

Contrast to phucker Bidens “America is an idea it hasnt lived up to”

Phuck anyone that says that

If they believe that bullshiite then they are to blame, they are personally responsible, its their personal problem

Time to take the commie soros alinsky shaming bs and shove it back up their asses where it came from


24 posted on 10/25/2020 5:25:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ealgeone

I agree with you


25 posted on 10/25/2020 5:37:27 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Robert DeLong
Yamamoto is said to have made this statement: I can run wild for six months . . . after that, I have no expectation of success."

He knew from touring the US our industrial capability was far more than Japan would ever be able to generate.

This is a good article from Victor Davis Hanson.

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2020/apr/09/victor-davis-hanson-is-the-u-s-a-sleepi/

In it he notes the following:

By the end of 1944, the American gross domestic product exceeded the economic output of all the major belligerents on both sides of World War II put together: the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, Japan, Italy and Germany.

We were not going to lose the war to Japan as the idiot writer suggested.

26 posted on 10/25/2020 5:43:54 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: DuncanWaring

Proud to say that my Dad, a Pfc at the time, was there... His first purple heart... Left as a corporal...

After a couple of small amphibious assaults elsewhere, Tarawa was his second major amphibious landing and second purple heart and another stripe...

After time helping to train a new Marine division which he was to become part of, 18-months later he was with that division for the assault on Okinawa...

After the war ended (while he was on Okinawa), he ended up landing in China fighting communists...

Finally got home 1-1/2 years after the war ended...


27 posted on 10/25/2020 5:51:35 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: ealgeone
Well congratulations. You have convinced me that you are correct. Great link BTW. 8>)

Still loved the article though. A little hyperbole doesn't detraction much from it though, at least for me, as the overwhelming bulk of it was true and factual. And also because he speculated, and wasn't offering a definitive assessment. 8>)

28 posted on 10/25/2020 6:07:38 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: ealgeone
I think the last paragraph answers that most succinctly:

8>)

In retrospect, it is difficult to comprehend how Japan's leadership managed to rationalize their way around the economic facts when they contemplated making war on the U.S. After all, these were not stupid men. Indeed, internal Imperial Navy studies conducted in 1941 showed exactly the trends in naval shipbuilding I have outlined above. In the end, however, the Tojo government chose the path of aggression, compelled by internal political dynamics which made the prospect of a general Japanese disengagement in China (which was the only means by which the American economic embargo would have been lifted) too humiliating a course to be taken. Consequently, the Japanese embarked on what can only be described as a suicidal venture, against an overwhelmingly large foe. However, their greatest mistake was not just disregarding the economic muscle which lay partially dormant on the other side of the Pacific. In actuality, their chief error lay in misreading the will of the American people. When the American giant awoke, it did not lapse into despair as a result of the defeats that Japan had inflicted upon it. Rather, it awoke in a rage, and applied every ounce of its tremendous strength with a cold, methodical fury against its foe. The grim price Japan paid -- 1.8 million military casualties, the complete annihilation of its military, a half million or so civilians killed, and the utter destruction of practically every major urban area within the Home Islands -- bears mute testimony to the folly of its militarist leaders.

29 posted on 10/25/2020 6:12:37 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: ealgeone

Yep, I am convinced you are correct with your statement. 8>)


30 posted on 10/25/2020 6:15:05 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks for posting, again . A very powerful story of American courage and determination with the providential hand of God on the side of America. I pray that He will spare us from the judgement that we continue to call down on ourselves by rejecting Him and His Son, Jesus, the Christ.

Just standing by for CWII

Semper Fi!
Do or Die!


31 posted on 10/25/2020 6:17:50 PM PDT by Perseverando (Antifa, BLM, Libs, Progs, Islamonazis, Statists, Commies, DemoKKKrats: It's a Godlessness disorder.)
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To: Robert DeLong

It was an interesting article. I do have an avid interest in WW2.


32 posted on 10/25/2020 6:19:09 PM PDT by ealgeone
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The reason for the lack of presence of older battleships and cruisers was that most of the Navy oilers were supplying the UK, leaving only a handful available, maybe as few as two, in the entire Pacific theater.

The older ships were quite the fuel guzzlers. In fact, the USS Arizona was an early oil-fired ship. During WWI, the lack of oil facilities in the UK basically sidelined the Arizona to the US East Coast.


33 posted on 10/25/2020 6:20:16 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: ealgeone

My father would never talk about his war experiences. All he ever told me was that he was in Italy walking behind tanks. He did tell me he never like snow skiing because he had his fill of it during the war. So I don’t even know the context of that either. As a result it probably never inspired me to study the war in great detail.


34 posted on 10/25/2020 6:28:08 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

Fellows of that generation and those who’ve seen combat saw things probably best not seen. I can’t imagine seeing your buddies getting killed.


35 posted on 10/25/2020 6:36:21 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: DuncanWaring

And it never fails to swell me with pride and then tears.

You are never defeated until you quit. These guys never never gave that a thought but they could have.

Remember the little history books written for school age kids? They were like Golden Press or something like that. “Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo”, “Guadalcanal Diary”, “Iwo Jima”, “Normandy” and so on? I read them all before I finished fourth grade then moved on to the massive volume “The Hstory of the United States Navy in World War II”. I packed that thing from class to class when I was in grade school until I finished it.


36 posted on 10/25/2020 6:40:41 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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Yeah I'm sure that is what it was, and he didn't want to be reminded of it either.

I remember jumping out and scaring him on purpose one time as a kid, and he swirled around so fast with his armed cocked in a striking position that it scared me pretty badly. He told me don't ever do that. After being in a war he said, that you react first and think later. Needless to say I never did that again.

That may be another reason I never had much interested in learning about the war. When you are young you think of war as being exciting. That made me realize it was anything but exciting. It was hell.

37 posted on 10/25/2020 7:00:08 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: DuncanWaring

bump


38 posted on 10/25/2020 7:14:54 PM PDT by Loud Mime ("Now, go and do your duty before darkness covers the earth." Michael Uhlmann (1939 - 2019))
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39 posted on 10/25/2020 7:58:41 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Ooorah...!

Yes, they had Mitchell Paige likeness for GI Joe. One more piece of Americana. Every kid in America knew that, once upon a better time.

John Basilone also got the CMH on Guadalcanal, and Philadelphian Al Smith as well; blinded by a jap grenade and bleeding, Smith manned a water cooled Browning while his wounded loader called out directions where to fire as the japs tried to cross the river to get at the Marines’ positions. No japs got across that section of the river.


40 posted on 10/26/2020 3:30:41 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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