After so long, you recognize names of posters. You especially notice the names of those who have been active since '99.
This guy's name rung no bell. Or is it just me?
Posted on 05/22/2004 8:27:52 PM PDT by ExtraSafe21
The last couple of months I have pointed out my lost of faith in the Bush Administration because of their actions in Iraq. For that, I have been called all sorts of names.
Well I have a question: Imagine Clinton was once again president and we went to war based on the word of someone who is later shown to be a spy and a traitor to our country?
Yes, well Clinton is no longer President, and God willing his wife will never be.
Next question.
The point is do we stand for our conservative values, or they we stand only on our ideology.
From your reply, I can see where you stand.
Just shut up and vote for Kerry if you want. Nobody cares.
When the anti-war side concedes that there are tons and tons of links between Saddam and Al Qaeda, most of which had nothing to do with Chalabi, I'll entertain the notion that there's some sort of "gotcha" moment with him. Until then? Please.
You guys stare massive amounts of evidence in the face and say "There's no evidence, no evidence!" If we're not going to be met with honesty on the most basic and profound issues surrounding this subject, why should we even discuss the matter at all?
Qwinn
If you truly believe we went to war based on the word of ONE person, you deserve to be called the names you say you have been called on Free Republic.
There are too many reasons and it is too late in the evening to go into it, but have you not been paying attention? Three previous administration's collective judgement is that Saddam was a threat to the region and the United States. Saddam has WMD. Where they are now is a good question, but EVERY single intelligence agency in the WORLD thought he had WMD. Personally, I think they are in Syria and Colin Powell has shown the UN the satellite photos that show that could have easily happened. Saddam supported terrorists and specifically AQ (See Links Below). This is a war on terror.
You need to read more and get caught up and then when you have a really good question I'll bet you won't get called names. We know Saddam worked with the PLO and other terrorists, he funded them. He at LEAST knew that 9/11 was coming. Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001) In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.” The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”. (Link below) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1 List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1 Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts The AQ connection (excellent):http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2 Western Nightmare: http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html Saddam's link to OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts Document linking them: http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297 Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it: http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp A federal judge rules there are links:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts Iraq and Iran contact OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts More evidence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml Saddam's AQ connection: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts Further connections: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts What a court of law said about the connections: http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm Some miscellaneous stuff on connections: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points. http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1097521/posts?page=1 Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115387/posts Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003) http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/ The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter) http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003) http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003): http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004): http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016 Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited: http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2 Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts No Question About It, National Review, September 2003 http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts Free Republic Thread that mentions so me books Freepers might be interested in on this topic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8 The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts September 11 Victims Sue Iraq: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003 Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35 http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections: http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq: http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746225/posts The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts
Here are the links, better formatted:
We know Saddam worked with the PLO and other terrorists, he funded them. He at LEAST knew that 9/11 was coming.
Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)
In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”
The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
(Link below)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1
List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1
Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts
The AQ connection (excellent):http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2
Western Nightmare: http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html
Saddam's link to OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts
NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts
Document linking them: http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297
Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it: http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp
A federal judge rules there are links:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts
Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts
Iraq and Iran contact OBL: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts
More evidence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml
Saddam's AQ connection: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts
Further connections: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts
What a court of law said about the connections:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm
Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts
Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts
Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1097521/posts?page=1
Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115387/posts
Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/
The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)
http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html
Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts
Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact
Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016
Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts
Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html
Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts
Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts
The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html
Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts
The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2
Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts
No Question About It, National Review, September 2003
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp
Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts
Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts
Free Republic Thread that mentions so me books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8
The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml
Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts
September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm
Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003
Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts
James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts
A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:
http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html
Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm
Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp
CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml
Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746225/posts
The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts
Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts
The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp
Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts
Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts
Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts
After so long, you recognize names of posters. You especially notice the names of those who have been active since '99.
This guy's name rung no bell. Or is it just me?
LOL. Look at you? Still posting your one, two, three year old out of date links that no one in our government ever verifies?
Here is a link that our government does verify:
http://www.casi.org.uk/info/usdocs/usiraq80s90s.html
Speak of the devil. ;-)
Headline Rundown and links on Iraq - Things the democrats have conviently forgot...
Saddam Abused His Last Chance, Clinton -clear and present danger to safety of people everywhere 1998
Gore repeats that Saddam MUST GO - June 2000
What the democrats want you to forget
Iraq is a Regional Threat, capable of as much as 200 tons of VX nerve agent (1999 Clinton report)
Czech military reports say iraq has smallpox virus in weapons stockpile (and camelpox)
Iraqi chemical weapons buildup reported (Sept 2001 Report)
Clinton, Gore rally domestic support for strike at Iraq, "unholy axis" (1998 Must read)
statement President Clinton from 1998 on the air strikes
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Full Text, Sense of Congress - Remove Saddam
Hadenough of it yet? :-) They sure have been active later. Makes you wonder if all of the recent paleo posts are related.
International Terrorism - Attack Search and Lists & Databases
The sociology and psychology of terrorism: Who becomes a terrorist and why? (A must read)
The Gathering Biological Warfare Storm - Online book from US Military (TOC w/links)
Hey Peaceniks where were you for 12 years? How come you did nothing to stop Saddam's evil over the years? How come you were not marching worldwide to stop his torure and murder? How come you expended zero energy to stop him using peaceful means?
When we were going to war you marched and protested, expended a great deal of energy, had human shields, and so on. But why were you not protesting Iraq's Leader for so many years? Why were there no letter writing campaigns, marches on embassies, human shields for torture victims, etc?
Peace had a chance, but those wanting peace sat back and wasted those years sipping coffee at starbucks or playing the stock market dot com boom. Clinton and the democrats knew saddam was a threat, they treated him as a threat, but did not back it up.
The peaceniks failed because they never tried, they only came out because of their hatred for Bush, not their hatred of saddam's evils.
And where are you now? With so many other countries in turmoil and human rights abuses, where are the marchers at? Why aren't they organizing globally to protest other countries who are killing their people en masse? You only come out for politics, not because you care about the lives of others. Fueled by hatred of Bush, not because you care to make a real difference anywhere else. You might say it the governments job to do it all, but why not see what you can do to stop it - show us how the masses can come together and bring pressure on those evil regimes and make them change. Show us peaceful means will stop these people today. Get off your butts and do something constructive towards your goals instead of whining about what others are doing. Prove that your voices, your marches, your letter writing campaigns can stop the murders going on in sudan and various other places. And then I will join you and admit I was wrong.
Bring em down without a shot.
China’s current imports from Iran are about 229,000 barrels per-day but it intends to increase this significantly once the over land pipeline through Central Asia has been completed. After opposing Iran’s development of nuclear weapons, Japan lost the exclusive right to develop the new Azadegan field in Iran which is now being opened up to European and Asian firms including Chinese firms. [36]
In 1980, Iraq invaded Iran and began an eight year long conflict which caused two million dead and wounded on both sides. In that war, both sides attacked with short-range ballistic missiles and sought to develop nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons for use against the other.
China sold weapons to both Iran and Iraq during and after the war. These military sales by China provided hard currency earnings for the Chinese military industrial complex and a means of developing close relations with two oil-rich dictatorships, which could help to meet China’s oil, needs in the present and future. Both Iran and Iraq wanted to develop increasingly destructive weapons for mutual deterrence or battlefield use if another war should occur. They were also both hostile to the United States and its allies in the region.
In 1990 Iraq invaded Kuwait. The United States led a broad coalition in 1990-91 to enforce UN Security Council resolutions requiring Iraq to withdraw from Kuwait. This meant that the United States and several of its NATO allies had to face the possibility of dealing with an opponent that might use chemical, or biological weapons as well as ballistic missiles.
In 1997 the Office of Naval Intelligence stated: “discoveries after the Gulf war clearly indicate that Iraq maintained an aggressive WMD [weapons of mass destruction] procurement program. A similar program exists today in Iran, with a steady flow of materials and technologies from China to Iran. This exchange is one of the most active WMD programs in the third world …” [37] . In succeeding years, the public congressional testimony of the Director of Central Intelligence, and the Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency indicated that China and Russia continued the active proliferation of weapons of mass destruction technology, expertise and components to a number of hostile and potentially dangerous countries including Iran, Iraq, and North Korea [38] .
Although the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq did fire a number of ballistic missiles in 1991, it was deterred by threats of massive retaliation from using chemical or biological warheads. But the fact that 400,000 US and allied troops had faced this threat for many months added impetus to the expressed policy of the first Bush administration that preventing the spread of these weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them was one of the highest priority concerns of US foreign policy.
As China shifted in 1990 to the view that the United States was its “main enemy”, it viewed the sale of components for weapons of mass destruction and the sale of technical assistance in building these to Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Syria, Libya and other states hostile to the United States, as not only financially profitable but also a way to strengthen the enemies of its “main enemy”. During the 1990s a great deal of government information became public in the United States about first Chinese and then later Chinese and Russian activities in transferring weapons of mass destruction to the main state sponsors of terrorism [39] .
During the 1990s and since, China has provided Iran with ballistic missile components as well as air, land and ship-based cruise missiles. By 2001, the Director of DIA, testified that “ these along with Iran’s submarines, mines, and missile patrol boats can attack ships including US naval forces in the Middle East “and stem the flow of oil from the [Persian Gulf] for brief periods” [40] . China also sent Iran key ingredients for the development of nuclear weapons, poison gas production ingredients; rocket propellants, and a “research” nuclear reactor. The CIA noted that in 1999 Iran “continued to seek production technology, training, expertise, and chemicals that could be used as precursor agents in its chemical warfare program from entities in Russia and China” [41] .
In 2001, the newly inaugurated Bush Administration publicly accused Chinese organizations of breaking UN Security Council prohibitions by providing advanced fiber optics support for the military command and control systems of Iraq [42] . During the 1990s, China reportedly provided ingredients that Iraq used for nerve gases, missiles and nuclear weapons, and China also sold Iraq chemicals that are used to produce missile fuel [43] . There had been no United Nations inspection of Iraq since the autumn of 1998 when Saddam Hussein refused to cooperate any longer with the inspection system that had been set up under the terms of the UN Security Council Resolutions. As permanent members of the Security Council, China and Russia colluded to undo the inspection regime and to delay its resumption until November 2002.
You have a problem with facts, don't you? Some of those articles are written this year, some last. Some in the 90's.
Amazing that everyone was all worried that OBL and Saddam were working together in the 90's and 100's of newspaper articles were witten about it. Now that it's a political matter, everyone wants to deny what they already knew. LOL
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