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Posted on 02/16/2005 7:15:17 PM PST by Jutboy



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To: Jutboy; All

Hey, ya'll! Isn't there an online test to see where you fit on the liberal-consevative scale? Anyone got a link?


21 posted on 02/16/2005 7:25:38 PM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: McGavin999

It all comes down to "Dignity", there is no dignity in accepting handouts, providing the neccessary tools someone needs to provide for themselves restores their dignity


22 posted on 02/16/2005 7:27:12 PM PST by MJY1288 (Liberty is Spreading Like a Fever!.................... CATCH IT!!!)
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To: Jutboy

Welcome to FR! Hang around and be polite and you'll find that this is the best site on the Web. Love abounds here. We even love liberals. Pity them, but still love them. Use your spell check and God is capitalized. Be prepared for some tough moments ahead. If you are truly interested in learning and not posting from a banned IP, this should be fun and educational.


23 posted on 02/16/2005 7:27:57 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Jutboy
I have tried to talk to a liberal at work and got him cornered a couple of times and now he totally discredits my sources and refuses to even listen to a logical discussion. I think that the views of liberals and conservatives are so far apart that they can not understand each other. Liberals believe in a Utopia that is not obtainable and they the end justifies the means so they do not have to listen to conservatives.
24 posted on 02/16/2005 7:28:12 PM PST by mountainlyons (alienated vet)
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To: REDWOOD99

Good post


25 posted on 02/16/2005 7:29:07 PM PST by MJY1288 (Liberty is Spreading Like a Fever!.................... CATCH IT!!!)
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To: Jutboy

The first thing you have to do is break your mental connection between compassion and government action. One is not the same as the other.
The next thing is for you to actually read the Constitution. It's amazing the stuff that's in there. It's equally amazing the stuff that's not.
And you could increase your education by subscribing to the Federalist Patriot. http://federalistpatriot.us/subscribe/


26 posted on 02/16/2005 7:29:21 PM PST by wolfpat (Dum vivimus, vivamus)
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To: Hoodlum91
Your atrocious spelling and grammar show you need more. Look outside public school.

Shirley you're knot series.

27 posted on 02/16/2005 7:30:02 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: Jutboy

Some of us don't appreciate having our property siezed, at gunpoint, to be distributed at the whim of petty lords who are interested in nothing bu their own power.


28 posted on 02/16/2005 7:30:36 PM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: new cruelty

I'm a product of public schools!

And stop calling me shirley!


29 posted on 02/16/2005 7:32:30 PM PST by Hoodlum91
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To: Jutboy
Your motto above says "Defending the Constitution", but thats we feel like we are doing!

Do you defend the right to life of unborn babies?

Do you defend the right to keep and bear arms?

Do you defend the right to freely exercise your religion?

Do you defend the right of a man to bear the fruits of his labors without the government taking half?

30 posted on 02/16/2005 7:32:55 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Jutboy

Are you lost, boy?


31 posted on 02/16/2005 7:32:55 PM PST by indcons ( Destroy liberalism to destroy communism, socialism, and wahabbism)
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To: Hoodlum91

Actually, you're right... I'm half watching what I post. My mistake.


32 posted on 02/16/2005 7:33:37 PM PST by new cruelty
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To: MJY1288

I don't wanna :O) Well okay if we must.


33 posted on 02/16/2005 7:34:23 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Jutboy
Hello? After, say 30 posts or so, it'd be nice for you to respond.

We've got some verrrry trigger-happy hombres in these parts. Don't tempt them.

34 posted on 02/16/2005 7:35:14 PM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Jutboy
IMO, the terms liberal and conservative have many different meanings, each of us finds our own. Leftist is pretty well defined, though, and many, although not all, liberals are leftists. I consider myself, if anything, to be a "classical" liberal.

My opinion is that government's only purpose is to protect our individual freedom and personal liberty. Anything else it does tends to infringe our liberties, no matter how noble the purpose.

Raising taxes to aid the needy is a fair example. It infringes our liberty by giving the state power to arbitrarily take an amount of funds of its choosing, by means of coercion, from one citizen to give to another, who falls within an arbitrary state supplied definition of poverty. Assuming that this action is actually beneficial, one can argue for it, assuming that the beneficial result justifies giving politicians and bureaucrats such power over our lives. Unfortunately, the reverse has proven to be true - welfare has actually increased poverty.

BTW, the Constitution does not authorize these kinds of actions by the central (federal) government.

Welcome aboard FR, though, glad to have you and hope you will stay around.

35 posted on 02/16/2005 7:35:35 PM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: cyborg

LOL,


36 posted on 02/16/2005 7:36:21 PM PST by MJY1288 (Liberty is Spreading Like a Fever!.................... CATCH IT!!!)
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To: Jutboy

Are you gonna respond, or are you fishing for negative comments?


37 posted on 02/16/2005 7:37:47 PM PST by MJY1288 (Liberty is Spreading Like a Fever!.................... CATCH IT!!!)
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To: Jutboy
where
38 posted on 02/16/2005 7:37:47 PM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Jutboy

I am also a strong beilever in god, in liberity and in freedom.

I don't understand the seperation between our parties, I honestly don't. I don't think republician's want death (I support a "just" war though), wants people to go hungry, wants intolerance (I think any true beilever in god would be againist this).

I can tell you for sure no liberals want these things. Yet somehow our parties always end up fighting. Why?

We don't want any of the things you mentioned above, you have been brainwashed by liberals to think that we do, (their normal way of doing business, just ask howard dean AAAARRRRRGGGGHHH) is Godless, wake up, we are the Christian Coalition. We are God fearing people, and worship Him, 70% of liberals don't go to church, so why put your faith in them? 50% of Conservatives do go to church and believe in GOD.


39 posted on 02/16/2005 7:40:19 PM PST by Ethyl
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To: Jutboy
Well, Justin, Honey...let's take a single issue, Terrorism.

Liberals and most Democrats think America is the problem and the terrorist's issues should be considered and addressed.

Conservatives and most Republicans think terrorists should be nuked into charcoal briquettes and used for Sunday cookouts.

40 posted on 02/16/2005 7:42:12 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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