Skip to comments.Would you Adam 'n' Eve it ... dinosaurs in Eden (CRE-VO) Mixing science with creationism
Posted on 05/24/2005 9:14:01 PM PDT by restornu
Eureka Springs, Arkansas The razor-toothed Tyrannosaurus rex, jaws agape, loomed ominously over the gentle Thescelosaurus, looking for plants to eat. Admiring the museum diorama were old and young visitors, listening on headphones to a stentorian voice describing the primeval scene. But the Museum of Earth History is a museum with a controversial difference. To one side, peering through the bushes, are Adam and Eve. The display is not an image of the Cretaceous. It is Paradise. 'They lived together without fear, for there was no death yet,' the voice intoned about Man and Dinosaur.
Nestling deep in the Ozark mountains of Arkansas, in the heart of America's Bible Belt, this is the first dinosaur museum to take a creationist perspective. Already thousands of people have flocked to its top-quality exhibits which mix high science with fundamentalist theology that few serious scientists accept.
The museum is riding a wave of creationist influence in America. Creationism, which holds that the Earth is just a few thousand years old and the biblical account of Genesis is fact, is central to a rash of furious arguments across America. From school boards in Kansas to elections in Pennsylvania, the 'debate' between creationism and evolution has become a political hot potato.
Even as America's scientists make advances in palaeontology, astronomy and physics that appear to disprove creationism, Gallup surveys have shown that about 45 per cent of Americans believe the Earth was created by God within the past 10,000 years. It is not just creationism either. Last week NBC's Dateline current affairs programme, equivalent to the BBC's Newsnight, investigated miracles. It concluded some could be real. It is hard to imagine Jeremy Paxman taking this stance.
That wellspring of popular belief, and the political clout that comes with it, is the inspiration behind the museum. It is not interested in debating with mainstream science. It simply wants to represent the view of a significant slice of America. 'We want people to see that finally they have something that addresses their beliefs, to show that we do have a voice,' said Thomas Sharp, business director of Creation Truth, the religious group that co-founded the museum.
No expense was spared. The fossil casts, which range from a Triceratops skull to an 18ft-long Albertosaurus (a relative to T. rex), could easily grace London's Natural History Museum. Plans for a much bigger museum in Dallas are advanced. 'We would love to open in the United Kingdom if the right partner showed up,' Sharp said.
The museum forms part of a Bible-based theme park in Eureka Springs; the car park is full of cars and coaches from all over the country. To enter the museum is to explore a surrealistic parallel world. Biblical quotes appear on displays. The first has dinosaurs, alongside Adam and Eve, living in harmony. The ferociously fanged T. rex is likely to be a vegetarian. Then comes the Fall of Man and an ugly world where dinosaurs prey on each other and the first extinctions occur. The destruction of the dinosaurs is explained, not by a comet striking the Earth 65 million years ago, but by the Flood. This, the museum says, wiped out most of the dinosaurs still alive and created the Grand Canyon and huge layers of sedimentary rock seen around the world.
Some dinosaurs survived on Noah's ark. One poster explains that Noah would have chosen juvenile dinosaurs to save space. An illustration shows two green sauropods in the ark alongside more conventional elephants and lions. The final exhibit depicts the Ice Age, where the last dinosaurs existed with woolly mammoths until the cold and hunting by cavemen caused them to die out.
Scientists dismiss such claims as on a par with believing in Atlantis. Yet the museum is unlikely to be seen as a major threat to mainstream science. It was put in the heart of an area where Christian attractions are a mainstay of the local economy.
It was built in co-operation with the 'New Holy Land' theme park which re-created the biblical Middle East in the Ozarks. A huge statue of Christ, the largest in North America, looms over Eureka Springs. The site is the setting for The Great Passion Play, where each night in a 4,500-strong arena the last days of Christ are acted out. The play has attracted more than 7.2 million people.
But creationism is seeking to become more influential in other parts of the country. In Kansas the state school board recently held public hearings on the validity of evolution and the teaching of 'Intelligent Design' (ID) in classrooms. The hearings were boycotted by scientists who believed they were rigged against evolutionists. The theory of ID holds that the world is so complex it must have been created, and has been dubbed 'creationism lite' by its critics. Kansas is now expected to recommend schools to include ID-friendly material in its science courses this summer.
In Pennsylvania, the issue dominated an election in the town of Dover after the school board decided to include mention of ID in its science classes. A vote last week between anti-evolution and pro-evolution candidates ended in an electoral tie.
Creationism has found one high-level voice. President George Bush famously proclaimed: 'The jury is still out on evolution.' A CBS survey late last year showed that 45 per cent of Bush voters wanted creationism taught in schools instead of evolution, compared to 24 per cent of voters for John Kerry. 'Under the Bush presidency, we are clearly able to get a lot more done,' Sharp said.
The Museum of Earth History may be the first dinosaur museum of its kind. It is not likely to be the last.
Posted on 01/02/2005 3:20:11 PM EST by PatrickHenry
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This author forgot the talking point (to be delivered with a snicker) that ID isn't creationism. I can see where it's easy to forget.
Strikes me as being poor theology, leaving science out of it.
Surely nobody claims that (parts of) the animal world became carnivorous as a result of the Fall of Man?
If dinosaurs were born prior to the Fall, but none die, don't we get a bit of a population problem before long?
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The scripture is correct, although often indirectly. The animal kingdom feeds on the plant kingdom.
Try putting your cat on a strict vegetarian diet and see how long she survives.
I'll buy that, if you like, although it seems highly unlikely that the evil men before the Flood would obey this law while breaking all the others.
However, I do believe it was given to cats and other carnivores to eat meat. I do not comprehend how anyone can read the Bible to mean that Man's sin would affect the animals and what they eat.
God demonstrated he could close the mouths of Lions, why not all animals.
Or how long you do. :)
I thought dinosaurs died out millions of years ago and Noah wasn't alive back then. How do they explain this?
This Noah comment really made me laugh.
I believe in the creation, but I have no idea how long a "day" was, as mentioned in Genesis. A day can mean a period of time. I don't usually get involved with the evolution vs. creation debate. I don't know how God created the earth and all the creatures on it. I'll just wait until I get to Heaven to find out exactly how the creation happened.
People need to hear the Truth and our fellow Freepers are part of the great commission.
If evo is true, God did not create, if evo is true, God did not save us.
"Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so."
Thank you, Restorer.
Sorry, but I don't believe in a literal 24 hour period for each day it took God to create the earth. I don't think God's sense of time is the same as ours. But again, I'm not going to worry about it. It really has no bearing on my eternal salvation.
This is what tyranosaur meat looks like:
Does any of that look like it's 70 million years old to you?
No problem, Have a great day!
Jesus Christ speaking regarding Adam and Eve:
Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Not many people realize He said this! This speaks more to the Theory of Evolution than anything else.
Cinches it for me. Got no higher authority I can go to.
Yep! Excellent observation. Think Darwin read the Bible?
I'll bite. (Pardon the expression.)
Why would God create animals designed (teeth, jaws, digestive tract, many other features) to eat meat if they were never going to eat meat unless man Fell?
You cannot seriously tell me that you can look at a cheetah, so wonderfully designed to run down prey, and believe that God's original intent was for it to eat grass. Until Man screwed up God's plan.
Or maybe you can.
From what I've read, Darwin started off his college as a theology student. However, he got bitter towards God and decided to change majors.
Many naturalistic philosophers during his time influenced him to take an obviously unbiblical approach to explaining the reality of life. Being that everyone misunderstood the microscopic aspects of life, his theory took wing on finches beaks (which we now know was just adaptation back and forth between big beaks and pointy beaks). The eye would have confounded him even more if he had known the extent of it's complexity.
Atheists have decided to continue towing the line, in order to avoid accountability to a superior being, despite the obvious. They put it out as quick as they can produce it. it should be called the UnDiscovery channel. And NOVAlue.
designed to eat meat
I dont know...but from Gen 1:29-30, it says they were designed to eat plants and the plants were treated like meat.
In Isaiah 11:6-9, "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. 9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
I do not understand either why there could be a vegetarian piranha...but God says there was so thats what I believe.
You might notice that the quotation from Isaiah is in future tense. It is a prophecy about the future, not a historical statement about the past.
It is also not an enormous stretch to consider the whole passage a metaphor for changes in people.
ok, I can see that, but I see it as a verse that looks back and predicts the future too.
The dude in the verse is Adam. Adam was the only other perfect man besides Jesus...well that is for a limited time.
Ah, yes. The finches. I just figured God created them differently from each other. It would be pretty boring if ALL finches were the same. God takes everything into account, to the smallest details.
ahh, the memories...I posted that story on Fr:
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And thats before I got interested in all this debate here on Fr.
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If there was no death yet, why did God make predators such as the T-Rex? Doesn't fly, doesn't work. He had to eat something, the bible does say that Adam and Eve ate, so it would appear all the creatures alive at that time must have eaten, a T-Rex was designed to eat meat, therefore it had to kill something or find a dead animal in order to eat.
Genesis 2:8 (King James Version)
8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Right now stars are forming from gravity and nuclear fusion. Do you contend that God did not make these stars?
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