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Art Appreciation/Education series II class #5: Neoclassical and Romantic Art
5/11/06 | republicanprofessor

Posted on 05/11/2006 3:04:49 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor

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This "lecture" fills the gap between our last Baroque lecture, Art Appreciation/Education series II class #4: Art of the Baroque http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1563367/posts from 1/23/06, and the first of those on Manet and Realism. It is really with that lecture on nineteenth century Realism that was (paradoxically) the beginning of abstraction, for Manet began to flatten the space and forms in his work, emphasizing the freedom of the artist to create what he needs to, since the camera had been just invented. class 1: Realism: Manet and Homer; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410117/postsposted 5/25/05.

It's been just about a year ago when I started this series of online classes. What I like most is the commnents and discussion afterward: so go to it. What other works do you like by these artists? What artists have I missed? What do you have a problem understanding?

1 posted on 05/11/2006 3:04:52 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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In case anyone has missed the other "classes" or essays I've written up: here you go.

class #10: Postmodernism http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1473061/posts?page=17

class #9: Pop and Minimal Art http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1470726/posts?page=2

class 8: Pollock and Abstract Expressionism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1468241/posts

class 7: American Modernism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1440373/posts

class 6: Surrealism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1427099/posts

class 5: Cubism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1427099/posts

class 4: Expressionism: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1424087/posts

class 3: Cezanne and van Gogh; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1419876/posts

class 2: Impressionism and Post-Impressionism; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1414727/posts

class 1: Realism: Manet and Homer; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1410117/posts

A new series of art history "lectures" designed chronologically from Egyptian art onward:

Art Appreciation/Education series II class #1: Greco-Roman Realism and Early Christian Abstraction http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1491050/posts

Art Appreciation/Education Series II class #2: Romanesque and Gothic Art and Architecture http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1498966/posts

Art Appreciation/Education series II class #3: Art of the Renaissance http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1528015/posts

Art Appreciation/Education series II class #4: Art of the Baroque http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1563367/posts

I have also begun a series on Visits to NYC and the art seen there:

Art Appreciation/Education: Visit to NYC I: Robert Smithson and James Turrell: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1507874/posts

Blue Moon by John Haber: A review of Oscar Bluemner's retrospective at the Whitney (I wanted to write about Bluemner's work as my Visit to NY II, but I decided to post Haber's great article instead.) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1507684/posts

Art Appreciation/Education: Visit to NY III: Elizabeth Murray: Return to Color and Energy http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1512127/posts

One other essay I wrote on Christo and his orange gates in NYC: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1348194/posts

A Visit to Lincoln Center http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1620124/posts

You can also get to these, and other images, on my home page.


2 posted on 05/11/2006 3:06:38 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Sam Cree; Liz; Joe 6-pack; woofie; vannrox; giotto; iceskater; Conspiracy Guy; Dolphy; ...

Art Appreciation/Education ping.

The last of this series of "lectures."

Forgive the double ping if you are also on the Art Ping list.


3 posted on 05/11/2006 3:08:26 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Sam Cree; Liz; Joe 6-pack; woofie; vannrox; giotto; iceskater; Conspiracy Guy; Dolphy; ...

Art Ping.

Let Sam Cree, Woofie, or me know if you want on or off this ping list.


4 posted on 05/11/2006 3:09:30 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor

bookmark


5 posted on 05/11/2006 3:13:47 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings)
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Turner to Rothko is a BIG stretch.

Rothko's colors are not found in nature - Turner's always are.

Rothko's shapes are symmetrical and static - Turner's never are.

I love Turner. I can't stand Rothko.

BTW, here's my favorite Ingres - showing clearly the impossible distortions that were often hidden in Neoclassical "realism" -

the Romantics were really more realistic, if you see what I mean.

6 posted on 05/11/2006 3:16:49 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Republicanprofessor

Thank you. I thought Fragonard was spelled with one "n", but I guess spelling was more fluid back then.


7 posted on 05/11/2006 3:21:13 PM PDT by Argh
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My spelling may have been rushed as I did the essay.

Alas. No one is perfect.


8 posted on 05/11/2006 3:25:57 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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That's OK, professor, you've done a great job!


9 posted on 05/11/2006 3:28:10 PM PDT by Argh
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There is something cloying about Ingres that bothers me more than his distortions. But Thetis is pretty rubbery in that work.

Ah, now that I know your interest in life is literary, it explains your knowledge and preferences in art.

Now, I know you must have seen some Rothkos in person, so I can't say that is the matter. The Rothkos with the hard edges are less intriguing than the blurred blocks, to me.

I'm probably pushing Rothko too much lately; I don't know why. Probably because I just finished teaching his work. When the exams are corrected, I'll be burnt out and move on to someone else....


10 posted on 05/11/2006 3:29:11 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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This was a totally engrossing thread. I spent a lot of time studying everything on it. You have no idea how much I enjoy your posts and everything in them. I should be getting college credits for my studies here.

I'm off to the Freeper cruise tomorrow and will be gone for a week. I'm starting to get the FT's already, LOL.

Save my place while I'm gone, heheh.

Leni/Bahama Mama

11 posted on 05/11/2006 3:58:57 PM PDT by MinuteGal ("FReeps Ahoy 4" will be sailing May 13th! We'll have After-Cruise Pix to Post. Stay Tuned !)
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You must do SO MUCH work for those cruises.

I hope it is awesome.

Maybe sometime my husband (billorites) and I can get away from the kids and come.

Have a GREAT TRIP. And thanks for all your kind words!


12 posted on 05/11/2006 4:02:56 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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"There is something cloying about Ingres that bothers me more than his distortions."

He was a French political whore...

Thanks for this entire series...only wish I'd had more time to spend on the discussion end of things!

13 posted on 05/11/2006 4:05:21 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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Thanks for this series. Now I just have to find the time to work through them all.

I hope we will not end up with flame wars between classicists and Romanticists (followed by bannings and suspensions). :)


14 posted on 05/11/2006 4:23:30 PM PDT by evilC (Call me Krusty)
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I think Thetis needs a good dose of iodine.

And I agree with you - Ingres is somehow sicky-sweet and creepy at the same time. And his women aren't women - they're somebody's dream of women.

I prefer Gericault - although his madmen and his guillotined heads aren't for everybody, they are true.

15 posted on 05/11/2006 4:27:15 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Republicanprofessor

Nice job. I see you've listed your other threads as well.

I look forward to read them. Thanks.


16 posted on 05/11/2006 4:28:18 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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Thank you so much for taking the time to help us appreciate art and its history...this was terrific.

You are one reason FreeRepublic is great.

17 posted on 05/11/2006 5:53:58 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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Thanks RP, these are very potent paintings.


18 posted on 05/11/2006 7:07:18 PM PDT by aristotleman
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I'm late to this list so thanks for the links to the others in the series.

There is an eerieness in Turner unique to him; the painting of his in the MFA in Boston, with the horses tossed overboard, is spectacualr and haunting once you've seen it in person.

19 posted on 05/11/2006 8:06:31 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Can't wait for the Dems to close that border and are approving SCOTUS nominees!)
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Wow. Never saw this before. A regular Dagny and John Galt, eh?


20 posted on 05/11/2006 8:15:17 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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