It will probably end when the Muslims stop trying to kill us, clean up their own house (reign in the terrorists), and leave everyone else alone to live in peace. Until then...
Posted on 07/15/2006 10:48:32 AM PDT by Xing Daorong
I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today, rather than those who manipulate and perversely interpret Islam to further their murderous aims.
Islam is so similiar to Christianity that there isn't even a point to it, every quote showing "Judeao-Christian hatred" can be logically explained by anyone who has read the Quran.
We have groups like Muslims for Bush (now Muslims for America) a primarily Republican group of American muslims supporting the War on Terror.
Not all muslims are terrorists but most terrorosts are muslim.
A lot of people don't understand how Arabic is translated. If that was explained, more would see how a Sheik/Imaan can translate the Quran to say about 5 totally different things.
On top of that, I think you are a troll.
You must have severe nasal congestion to the point of not being able to smell a fifth column. Use Afrin spray.
Oh and that's because Mohammed took what he liked from Christianity and Judaism and incorporated it in his religion.
Btw, the Qu'ran says that it's alright to lie to "infidels". Nowhere in the Bible is lying condoned. The Qu'ran also states that you can beat your wife and she'll benefit from it. There's NO corellating Scripture.
It will probably end when the Muslims stop trying to kill us, clean up their own house (reign in the terrorists), and leave everyone else alone to live in peace. Until then...
Another you know what?
And furthermore, the Christians on Ambon, Sulawesi and Papua can give you an earful about hatred for Christians by moslems. You do not find a correlation anywhere, even in the Crusades, in Christian history.
Probably just a newbie who needs to see a little more 'splainin'...
Since he hasn't posted back to the thread yet, I say troll vs. newbie.
They come close by their unbelievable silence about terrorist deeds.
"I don't understand, some people say that Islam is responsible for terrorism today, rather than those who manipulate and perversely interpret Islam to further their murderous aims.
Islam is so similiar to Christianity that there isn't even a point to it, every quote showing "Judeao-Christian hatred" can be logically explained by anyone who has read the Quran.
We have groups like Muslims for Bush (now Muslims for America) a primarily Republican group of American muslims supporting the War on Terror."
Before the zot hungry get here, I can address a few of those hopefully.
First, most reasonable people do understand that not all Muslims are Islamists or supporters of terror.
However, Islam is not similar to Christianity, or to Judaism, truly. They have a similar basis, as all are Abrahamic faiths. But Islam is a supercessionist faith; it seeks to replace the others, seeing itself as superior. This is explicit and overtly stated in the Koran and the Hadiths.
Also, there are far more passages in the Koran and the Hadiths that encourage intolerance and discrimination against people of others faiths, even the so-called "People of the Book", than discourage it. And that encourage violence. And that encourage a totalitarian theocratically structured society.
This does not mean that moderate Islam is not possible, or does not exist. But it does mean that those who see a moderate Islam as intended to be the mainstream Islam have a long way to go in reforming their faith. It's not something Christians and Jews can do; its something Muslims need to do for themselves.
And I think a major problem that people have with Islam is that people see relatively few moderate Muslims stand up against terror; those individuals who do stand up against terror and are ostensibly Muslim are, more often than not (in my experience at least), secular.
Also, it is a truisim, but nevertheless a valid (if generalizing) observation that Islam does have "bloody borders". All around the world, it seems to be on, or even making up the primary bulk of, one side in the majority of national and international conflicts around the world. Many ex-Soviet republics, the middle east, Israel, terrrorism, France, Germany, Turkey, Malaysia, Thailand, India, Pakistan, etc.
And, unfortunately, the faith is given a bad name by Muslim citizens and residents of Western countries who, whenever a terrorist attack occurs, blame the West first, and give only muted (if any) criticism of the terrorists.
Muslims for Bush, Muslims for Moderate Islam and Muslims for a Democratic Middle East would go a long way towards correcting a (hopefully false) negative perception of Islam as a violent, backwards faith if they were active, and sought to unequivocally condemn terrorism, sought to reform their faith, purge the violent heretics (and I do appreciate that Wahabiism/Salafismhas been declared a heresy about 90 times or so, but it still does make up 10-15% of Muslims) and stop equivocating and justifying evil actions.
Islam is different than Christianity and Judaism. That's not necessarily a bad thing; but, if it wants to be seen as a positive influence, it must first visibly produce positive works, or at least visibly and productively work towards neutralizing evil works.
Finally, not all Muslims are terrorists, but an overwhelming number of terrorists are Muslim. Obviously, this gives innocent and moderate Muslims a bad name.
I've known many good, decent, moderate and patriotic Muslims from a variety of countries; Britain, Canada, Pakistan, Israel, Jordan and Turkey, to name a few. I've also seen many radical Muslims. Many people who don't run in the same circles as me would not have met moderate Muslims (who probably do make up the majority in North America, even if many do seem to possess rather extreme anti-American and anti-Israeli sentiments) and yet will still have seen the radicals and their works. This will colour the representation.
This is why moderate Muslims must visibly and vocally condemn the radical heretics, each and every time, and not equivocate, nor justify, nor seek to explain, or put into context terrorism, religious extremism or seditious statements.
/soapbox
His posting history
You might want to check out my number 15 post, Salem.
Everything I need to know about islam, I learned on 9-11.
It comes from a combination of backlash against terrorist acts and liberal appeasement, over generalization, facts about Islam that are disturbing (Mohammed's life, hadiths, taqqiya, etc), and a lot of hypocrisy.
By the standards they use to show that all Muslims are terrorists, we would fail the test miserably because we don't immediately go out in public and condemn every act of terror in the world. To make matters worse, any FReeper would be righteously angered if someone defamed Christianity or Judaism and would fight back. Yet the anti-Islam FReepers expect Muslims to take virulent insults on their faith sitting down and eventually come join the good guy.
In addition, they often forget/not realize that Muslims die in terror attacks and are victims of such as much as anybody. Of course contributions by the Iraqis and Afghanis are often overlooked. I even talked to a couple of posters who couldn't care less that Afghanis and Iraqis bled and died right alongside American troops.
The group of people most against this world view are FReepers who know someone serving or is currently serving him/herself. They interact on a daily basis with the "Muslimes" and know the truth of the matter: they are not all terrorist, women beating, camel raping, towel-headed fanatics.
There is not enough "walking a mile" going on among these posters. If some alien species came to earth claiming to give us a better life and adopted the tactics/language advocated by these FReepers, we would fight tooth and nail to send these b@$tards packing, no matter how good their advocated lifestyle really is. You don't win friends by demeaning the very core of their being and threatening mass extermination.
Yes they do.
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