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MUSLIM IS NOT ISLAM - ACCORDING TO CAIR

Posted on 08/15/2006 7:23:31 AM PDT by 7thson

I was watching O'Reilly last night and he had some guy from CAIR, whining about the use of IslamoFacist used by President Bush, BOR, and others. During the give and take, as BOR is bringing up various countries under Islam law, the guy basically states that being a Muslim is not the same as being Islam. On one point, he says about someone or something, they are Muslim not Islam. To me, they are just playing with words and trying to confuse people. Anyone else see this?


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1 posted on 08/15/2006 7:23:32 AM PDT by 7thson
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To: 7thson

It sounds like the difference between calling someone a "Christian" and not "Christianity".

I thought a Muslim was one who practiced Islam.


2 posted on 08/15/2006 7:26:28 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: 7thson

I see it as a bunch of ignorant people thinking we are as ignorant as they are. Peaceful people don't blow other people up on a daily basis. They were never told of that old saying, "Actions speak louder than words".


3 posted on 08/15/2006 7:27:16 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: 7thson
I don't think it's playing with words.

Here's my understanding of the issue:

Islam is the name of the religion. Muslim is the name of a believer of Islam.

Just as you wouldn't call a Christian person a Christianity, or a Buddhist a Buddhism, you shouldn't call a Muslim an Islam.

Am I missing something here, or is that all the CAIR guy was trying to get across?

4 posted on 08/15/2006 7:27:36 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: 7thson

I'm not sure, but I think that if your Islamic, you can make the rug your praying on levitate and fly around the room. Then again, I'm not sure.


5 posted on 08/15/2006 7:28:26 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: 7thson
There's an element of flim-flam in the message, but the ol' boys from CAIR know very well that the primary document, the Koran, speaks favorably of killing Jews and non-Moslems.

Besides, Islam is not just a religion ~ it is a GOVERNMENT, and it's a SOCIETY, and it's a CULTURE ~ all wrapped up in one.

To be a good Moslem one must seek the elimination of existing government, the destruction of existing society with its myriad of social arrangements, and the imposition of Islamic culture in place of the native culture.

I don't see any problem with dealing with Islam as though it were an insuraction or riot.

6 posted on 08/15/2006 7:28:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TChris
Am I missing something here, or is that all the CAIR guy was trying to get across?

His words are confusing and his points could be made clear with some visuals...cartoons perhaps. :)

Did he complain about the 9/11 Commission Report calling them Islamists? :)
7 posted on 08/15/2006 7:30:08 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: 7thson
"MUSLIM IS NOT ISLAM - ACCORDING TO CAIR"

The headline is all I need to see to know its a LIE.

8 posted on 08/15/2006 7:30:21 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (We need a maintenance Crusade)
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To: 7thson

Religion of peace my arse BUMP!


9 posted on 08/15/2006 7:30:51 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: 7thson

i just don't think it matters anymore. jihad is jihad.


10 posted on 08/15/2006 7:31:33 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("These formidable people....will die for Liberty")
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To: 7thson

Okay... Muslimic fascists. Now can we stomp them?


11 posted on 08/15/2006 7:33:04 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I've had it with these &%#@* jihadis on these &%#@* planes!)
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To: 7thson
Yes, he also tried to talk about people who proclaimed to be Christians that were Fascist. Finally the answer came to me earlier today, the play on words is to turn the world against Christian and Jews. These are the two enemies of Islam. This is a Religious war and the United States promotes Christianity (according to the Islamic Fascist) and as we all know the Islamic Fascist have always hated Judaism and the Jewish people.

Think about what the guy said last night. The answer is in his weak attempt to Propagandize with O'Reilly sitting there allowing the hyperbole to take place.
12 posted on 08/15/2006 7:33:14 AM PDT by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: 7thson

Let me guess... "Not all Muslims are Islamo-Fascists, but all Islamo-Fascists are Muslims who CAIR."


13 posted on 08/15/2006 7:35:10 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: 7thson

Let me guess... "Not all Muslims are Islamo-Fascists, but all Islamo-Fascists are Muslims who CAIR."


14 posted on 08/15/2006 7:35:10 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: All
If it walks like a bomb, talks like a bomb, smells like a bomb, feels like a bomb, it is usually a bomb. You can call it a rose or a ball or a bike, that does not make it any less a bomb.

The brown people originating from the middle east that regularly take part in blowing themselves and others up and exporting such behavior are dangerous. I don't care what you want to call them, they are dangerous. You can call them lambs and sheep, they still detonate with the same veracity.

Changing the name will not change the facts. CAIR is the mouthpiece that speaks the lies of the brown bombers.
15 posted on 08/15/2006 7:35:13 AM PDT by texan75010
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To: TChris
He was trying to say that we don't designate religions as being Fascist...we call Countries Fascist...But what O'Reilly didn't get a chance to say is that since there is no "state flag" these militants are fighting under, and since Jihad is the fight in the name of Allah...that's what is meant by it. It's all words.

Today, a young Arab-American girl in Michigan was interviewed (her brother was one of the guys released today for having all those cell phones). She said WE have to remember they are Americans. And I was thinking that once, just once, I would like to here one of them say, "WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SO SENSITIVE and WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE CONCERN with our religion in your Country, HOWEVER.....

How come not one spokesperson has ever said anything like that?

16 posted on 08/15/2006 7:36:30 AM PDT by Hildy (To save us both time, assume I know everything...)
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To: 7thson

As a Catholic I know someone who is pro-choice, etc. is not really Catholic. I have a harder time saying that a Muslim, who is a radical Muslim, is not part of Islam. It seems to me that Islamic history is chock full of "militant" Muslims who were (and ARE) considered Muslims in good standing or of good memory even though they murdered thousands and thousands of non-Muslims.


17 posted on 08/15/2006 7:36:32 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

No...Islam is NOT a religion -- it is a murderous cult. Anyone for starting the Third Crusade??!?


18 posted on 08/15/2006 7:37:58 AM PDT by szweig
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To: TChris
I don't think it's playing with words. Here's my understanding of the issue: Islam is the name of the religion. Muslim is the name of a believer of Islam. Just as you wouldn't call a Christian person a Christianity, or a Buddhist a Buddhism, you shouldn't call a Muslim an Islam. Am I missing something here, or is that all the CAIR guy was trying to get across?

That's my take on it too, but there was more to it than that. His point seemed to be that just because a Muslim does something bad, that isn't an indictment of the entire religion.

That seems to be a logical position. Until you understand that it is the very nature of their religion that makes them do those bad things in the first place. And they have taught us that themselves.

19 posted on 08/15/2006 7:37:58 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: 7thson

That GUY from CAIR was the big stick at the top. He is totally full of SH.. He doesn't have anything truthful to say, and I am amazed that the press including FOX will even give him airtime. I had to finally turn O'Reilly off till the guy was off. These are ISLAMIC MUSLIM TERRORISTS.....all of them and we should understand this when their evil faces appear. They have a PR outfit that is next to none..and they lie beautifully. Remember what their end result is!


20 posted on 08/15/2006 7:38:26 AM PDT by cousair
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To: 7thson
IIRC, according to their thinking: Islam means submit. Muslim is a person that submits to Allah's will according to the Koran. So a muslim is the person while the muslim or state that adheres to sharia is submitting to the theocracy of Islamic laws known generally as the catch-all phrase Islam.

They don't like being called islamicists because they think that is simply inaccurate.
Most of all, they don't like being called mohammedans because they view that as a form of idolatry. They are not submitting to the will of Mohammed even though he is the center of their deviation from Judaism and paganism.

If you ask me, the quasi-terrorist group CAIR are meshungina.
21 posted on 08/15/2006 7:38:49 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: 7thson

Seems to me the issue is it a "relgion of peace" I still see no so called moderate muslims coming forward and condeming the violence. So I will have to assume it is NOT a religion of peace.


22 posted on 08/15/2006 7:39:54 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: 7thson

Moslem \Mos"lem\ (m[o^]z"l[e^]m), n.; pl. Moslems
(m[o^]z"l[e^]mz), or collectively Moslem. [Ar. muslim a
true believer in the Mohammedan faith, fr. salama to submit
to God, to resign one's self to the divine will. Cf. Islam,
Mussulman.]
An adherent of Islam; a Mussulman; an orthodox Mohammedan.
[Written also muslim.] "Heaps of slaughtered Moslem."
--Macaulay.
[1913 Webster]

They piled the ground with Moslem slain. --Halleck.
[1913 Webster]


Muslim \Mus"lim\, n. & a.
See Moslem.
[1913 Webster]
Muslim
adj : of or relating to or supporting Islamism; "Islamic art"
[syn: Moslem, Islamic]
n : a believer or follower of Islam [syn: Moslem, Mohammedan,
Muhammedan, Muhammadan, Islamist]
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Islam \Is"lam\, n. [Ar. isl[=a]m obedience to the will of God,
submission, humbling one's self, resigning one's self to the
divine disposal. Cf. Moslem.]
[1913 Webster]
1. The religion of the Mohammedans; Mohammedanism; Islamism.
Their formula of faith is: There is no God but Allah, and
Mohammed is his prophet.
[1913 Webster]

2. The whole body of Mohammedans, or the countries which they
occupy.
[1913 Webster]


Mohammedanism \Mo*ham"med*an*ism\, Mohammedism \Mo*ham"med*ism\
, prop. n.
The religion, or doctrines and precepts, of Mohammed,
contained in the Koran; Islamism; Islam. The term Islam is
preferred by most Moslems, and some find the term
Mohammedanism to be offensive, as they worship Allah, not
Mohammed.
[1913 Webster +PJC] Mohammedanize

Islam
n 1: the religion of Muslims collectively which governs their
civilization and way of life; the predominant religion
of northern Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan and
Indonesia [syn: Islamism, Muslimism, Muhammadanism,
Mohammedanism, Mohammadanism]
2: the monotheistic religion of Muslims founded in Arabia in
the 7th century and based on the teachings of Muhammad as
laid down in the Koran; "the term Muhammadanism is
offensive to Muslims who believe that Allah, not Muhammad,
founded their religion" [syn: Islamism, Mohammedanism,
Muhammadanism, Muslimism]


23 posted on 08/15/2006 7:41:00 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: cousair
THE REAL DEAL:

================= EXHIBIT 1 ================

Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay attacked by Islamic terrorists.


================= EXHIBIT 2 ================

London attacked by Islamic terrorists.


================= EXHIBIT 3 ================

Madrid attacked by Islamic terrorists.


================= EXHIBIT 4 ================

AMERICANS MURDERED ON A BRIDGE IN FALLUJA BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMAN TERRORISTS


The War for Infinite Justice MUST BE ESCALATED

================= EXHIBIT 5 ================

TORTURE OF AMERICANS BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMAN TERRORISTS.


The War for Infinite Justice MUST BE ESCALATED

================= EXHIBIT 6 ================

VERY PARTIAL LIST OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST ACTIVITIES
Full list is pages and pages and pages and pages.

1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beruit, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homacidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Rusian concert bombing
2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
on and on and on and on their terrorism has gone .........


The War for Infinite Justice MUST BE ESCALATED

================= EXHIBIT 7 ================

Islamic Terrorists (mainly from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) attack America
murdering 3000 Americans per hour [pictures censored by the MSM]

The War for Infinite Justice SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESCALATED IN 2001


================= EXHIBIT 8 ================

Russia, at Beslan, with children murdered by Islamic terrorists.


================= EXHIBIT 9 ================

=========== Documents linking Atta, Saddam, Nidal, bin Ladin ===========

Handwritten letter dated Feb. 19, 1998 linking bin Laden and Saddam Hussein
discussing arrival of a secret envoy sent by bin Laden to Iraq.
The signature beneath the letter is a codename, "MDA" - the Mukhabarat.


================= EXHIBIT 10================

=========== Islamic terrorists promising to conquer America prior to murdering all Christians and Jews therein.

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith,
but to become dominant. The Qur'an should be the highest authority in America,
and Islam the only accepted religion on earth
"

--Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998


Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels.
So wound their bodies and incapacitate them
because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle,
inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them,
so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

24 posted on 08/15/2006 7:41:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Diogenesis

I've mentioned before that the RFK item on your list is flat wrong. Sirhan Sirhan was not a Muslim terrorist.


25 posted on 08/15/2006 7:42:21 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: 7thson
CAIR:

Cowardly Anti-Semites Ignoring Reality
Crying About Intolerance Relentlessly
Can't Admit Islam's Responsible
Creeps, @$$holes, Idiots & Retards
Churches Are Incinerated Regularly

Feel free to add your own!

26 posted on 08/15/2006 7:44:15 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 104-105)
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To: TChris

Sure he was. Look at it from a logical point of view. Fascists that practice Christianity(No such thing by the way), would be called Christian-Fascists, Fascists that practice Islam are Islamic-Fascists(plenty of those around). Get the picture?


27 posted on 08/15/2006 7:44:32 AM PDT by Post-Neolithic
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To: TChris
The main point the CAIR guy was trying to make was that any facist from a Christian nation is not labeled a Christian Facist. To me, most Facists have disavowed Christianity and so are not acting in the name of God. BOR was attempting to make the point these people are acting in the name of Islam or Allah, thus Islamic Facists.

Anyway, good try with the explanation but I am not buying it. Christianity is the name of the religion. Christian is the name of one who practices the religion. So, if Islam is the name of the religion and Muslim is one who pratices Islam, than we should just call them Muslim Facists. The key term here is Facist.

28 posted on 08/15/2006 7:44:48 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

BOR actually made that point!


29 posted on 08/15/2006 7:46:28 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Hildy
How come not one spokesperson has ever said anything like that?

The same reason that, AFAIK, no Muslims wept as they watched desperate people jump to their deaths while the WTC burned.

Myself, being LDS, I am very sensitive to religious persecution and stereotyping. But it's very difficult to swallow the "religion of peace" mantra. If it's true at all, even for some Muslims, they really need to be a bit more visible with it, IMHO. When such widespread atrocities have been committed in the name of Islam, there must be a strong, visible, concerted effort by the supposedly peace-loving remainder to show that it's a "religion of peace".

Talk is cheap.

30 posted on 08/15/2006 7:46:41 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: Diogenesis

Yes, I think they want to deceive us, but even worse, they have deceived themselves. That's why we cannot talk to them.


31 posted on 08/15/2006 7:47:39 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Paige

One thing I learned in the Navy - to recognize BS when I hear it. I heard plenty of it from CAIR last night. You think BOR would not put up with it, but as long as you come on his program, you are a good sport.


32 posted on 08/15/2006 7:48:16 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: sully777
meshungina?

Does this mean full of $**t?

33 posted on 08/15/2006 7:52:33 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: 7thson

Word salad. Nazis were simply wearing the disguise of appearing Catholic while practicing Facism and Aryan superiority under the tenets of the Thule Society. Muslims do the same thing by practicing a perversion of Islam under Wahabbi tenets.


34 posted on 08/15/2006 7:54:09 AM PDT by Leg Olam ("You only upset yourself with your sins, but you upset other people by your confessions" H. Crosby)
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To: xcamel

I like your use of Webster, but the only problem is when confronted with these definitions, the typical IslamoFacist will state 'that is what you say it is, not what it really it.' When you attempt to pin it down, you have better luck catching a greased pig.


35 posted on 08/15/2006 7:54:28 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Paige

The guy wiped the floor with O'Reilly, making clear that Eric Rudolph was a Christian over and over.

O'Reilly was totally unprepared for the conversation, Rudolph is a self proclaimed atheist (and drug dealer), McVey was also not a Christian.


36 posted on 08/15/2006 7:55:37 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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Just more of the same old taqiyya from CAIR.


37 posted on 08/15/2006 7:55:46 AM PDT by PogySailor
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To: HitmanLV
Yes he was, and it has continued to be his ideology.
Even though his family was Jordanian Christian,
he became a Baptist, a Seventh Day Adventist, and occultist, too.
But you dispute Islam?
38 posted on 08/15/2006 7:55:51 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: 7thson
being a Muslim is not the same as being Islam

But it is the same as being an Islamist fanatic who wants to force you to think like he does.

39 posted on 08/15/2006 7:59:42 AM PDT by mjp
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To: Diogenesis

He wasn't a Muslim when he assasinated RFK. Currently, he does not practice Islam.


40 posted on 08/15/2006 8:03:45 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: 7thson

yiddish for crazy


41 posted on 08/15/2006 8:06:51 AM PDT by sully777 (You have flies in your eyes--Catch-22)
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To: 7thson
On one point, he says about someone or something, they are Muslim not Islam. To me, they are just playing with words and trying to confuse people. Anyone else see this?

Someone should've pointed out that one of the Religion Of Pieces' proponent groups has named itself ISLAMIC JIHAD.

Those folks seem to have a real gift for doubletalk.

42 posted on 08/15/2006 8:08:15 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: 7thson

We don't fall for their taquiyah anymore. I bet that pisses them off.


43 posted on 08/15/2006 8:12:05 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: 7thson

and here we have another smokescreen from CAIR. Practicing the, according to the Koran, duty for the good muslim to lie to the infidels for the glory of that demon they worship


44 posted on 08/15/2006 8:15:39 AM PDT by CAPTAINSUPERMARVELMAN
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To: 7thson

Funny. When I went to school in the 60's, they were called MOSLEM. Wonder when the shift occurred and why.


45 posted on 08/15/2006 8:18:54 AM PDT by Elpasser
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To: panthermom
Peaceful people don't blow other people up on a daily basis. They were never told of that old saying, "Actions speak louder than words".

Jesus said, "By their fruits you will know them"

46 posted on 08/15/2006 8:19:00 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Zarqawi died, liberals cried....)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

"The headline is all I need to see to know its a LIE."

Or just a very clumsy utterance of stupidity. And that's a dangerous thing. If people tell lies, you can prove them wrong. If people are malignent stupid, there's nothing you can do.


47 posted on 08/15/2006 8:21:29 AM PDT by Bazooka (When Tolerance met Indifference, it was love at first sight.)
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To: muawiyah



does the koran instruct muslims to travel miles and miles to buy cell phones ?


48 posted on 08/15/2006 8:23:04 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Elpasser

I guess you are right, I should start using it that way. Thomas Sowell does.


49 posted on 08/15/2006 8:26:29 AM PDT by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: 7thson
Here are a few names they have been called in the past
Until the late 1980s, the term Moslem was commonly used. Muslims do not recommend this spelling because it is often pronounced "mawzlem" /m?zl?m/ which sounds somewhat similar to an Arabic word for "oppressed" (Za'lem in Arabic)....

Many English-language writers used to call Muslims Mohammedans or Mahometans. ...

English writers of the 19th century and earlier sometimes used the words Mussulman, Musselman, or Mussulmaun. Variant forms of this word are still used by many Indo-European languages. These words are similar to the French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese words for "Muslim."


50 posted on 08/15/2006 8:29:08 AM PDT by syriacus (A vote 4 Lamont is a vote 4 the right of abusive men to kill women + children, here + abroad.)
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