Skip to comments.MUSLIM IS NOT ISLAM - ACCORDING TO CAIR
Posted on 08/15/2006 7:23:31 AM PDT by 7thson
I was watching O'Reilly last night and he had some guy from CAIR, whining about the use of IslamoFacist used by President Bush, BOR, and others. During the give and take, as BOR is bringing up various countries under Islam law, the guy basically states that being a Muslim is not the same as being Islam. On one point, he says about someone or something, they are Muslim not Islam. To me, they are just playing with words and trying to confuse people. Anyone else see this?
It sounds like the difference between calling someone a "Christian" and not "Christianity".
I thought a Muslim was one who practiced Islam.
I see it as a bunch of ignorant people thinking we are as ignorant as they are. Peaceful people don't blow other people up on a daily basis. They were never told of that old saying, "Actions speak louder than words".
Here's my understanding of the issue:
Islam is the name of the religion. Muslim is the name of a believer of Islam.
Just as you wouldn't call a Christian person a Christianity, or a Buddhist a Buddhism, you shouldn't call a Muslim an Islam.
Am I missing something here, or is that all the CAIR guy was trying to get across?
I'm not sure, but I think that if your Islamic, you can make the rug your praying on levitate and fly around the room. Then again, I'm not sure.
Besides, Islam is not just a religion ~ it is a GOVERNMENT, and it's a SOCIETY, and it's a CULTURE ~ all wrapped up in one.
To be a good Moslem one must seek the elimination of existing government, the destruction of existing society with its myriad of social arrangements, and the imposition of Islamic culture in place of the native culture.
I don't see any problem with dealing with Islam as though it were an insuraction or riot.
The headline is all I need to see to know its a LIE.
Religion of peace my arse BUMP!
i just don't think it matters anymore. jihad is jihad.
Okay... Muslimic fascists. Now can we stomp them?
Let me guess... "Not all Muslims are Islamo-Fascists, but all Islamo-Fascists are Muslims who CAIR."
Let me guess... "Not all Muslims are Islamo-Fascists, but all Islamo-Fascists are Muslims who CAIR."
Today, a young Arab-American girl in Michigan was interviewed (her brother was one of the guys released today for having all those cell phones). She said WE have to remember they are Americans. And I was thinking that once, just once, I would like to here one of them say, "WE UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SO SENSITIVE and WE UNDERSTAND YOU'RE CONCERN with our religion in your Country, HOWEVER.....
How come not one spokesperson has ever said anything like that?
As a Catholic I know someone who is pro-choice, etc. is not really Catholic. I have a harder time saying that a Muslim, who is a radical Muslim, is not part of Islam. It seems to me that Islamic history is chock full of "militant" Muslims who were (and ARE) considered Muslims in good standing or of good memory even though they murdered thousands and thousands of non-Muslims.
No...Islam is NOT a religion -- it is a murderous cult. Anyone for starting the Third Crusade??!?
That's my take on it too, but there was more to it than that. His point seemed to be that just because a Muslim does something bad, that isn't an indictment of the entire religion.
That seems to be a logical position. Until you understand that it is the very nature of their religion that makes them do those bad things in the first place. And they have taught us that themselves.
That GUY from CAIR was the big stick at the top. He is totally full of SH.. He doesn't have anything truthful to say, and I am amazed that the press including FOX will even give him airtime. I had to finally turn O'Reilly off till the guy was off. These are ISLAMIC MUSLIM TERRORISTS.....all of them and we should understand this when their evil faces appear. They have a PR outfit that is next to none..and they lie beautifully. Remember what their end result is!
Seems to me the issue is it a "relgion of peace" I still see no so called moderate muslims coming forward and condeming the violence. So I will have to assume it is NOT a religion of peace.
Moslem \Mos"lem\ (m[o^]z"l[e^]m), n.; pl. Moslems
(m[o^]z"l[e^]mz), or collectively Moslem. [Ar. muslim a
true believer in the Mohammedan faith, fr. salama to submit
to God, to resign one's self to the divine will. Cf. Islam,
An adherent of Islam; a Mussulman; an orthodox Mohammedan.
[Written also muslim.] "Heaps of slaughtered Moslem."
They piled the ground with Moslem slain. --Halleck.
Muslim \Mus"lim\, n. & a.
adj : of or relating to or supporting Islamism; "Islamic art"
[syn: Moslem, Islamic]
n : a believer or follower of Islam [syn: Moslem, Mohammedan,
Muhammedan, Muhammadan, Islamist]
Islam \Is"lam\, n. [Ar. isl[=a]m obedience to the will of God,
submission, humbling one's self, resigning one's self to the
divine disposal. Cf. Moslem.]
1. The religion of the Mohammedans; Mohammedanism; Islamism.
Their formula of faith is: There is no God but Allah, and
Mohammed is his prophet.
2. The whole body of Mohammedans, or the countries which they
Mohammedanism \Mo*ham"med*an*ism\, Mohammedism \Mo*ham"med*ism\
, prop. n.
The religion, or doctrines and precepts, of Mohammed,
contained in the Koran; Islamism; Islam. The term Islam is
preferred by most Moslems, and some find the term
Mohammedanism to be offensive, as they worship Allah, not
[1913 Webster +PJC] Mohammedanize
n 1: the religion of Muslims collectively which governs their
civilization and way of life; the predominant religion
of northern Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan and
Indonesia [syn: Islamism, Muslimism, Muhammadanism,
2: the monotheistic religion of Muslims founded in Arabia in
the 7th century and based on the teachings of Muhammad as
laid down in the Koran; "the term Muhammadanism is
offensive to Muslims who believe that Allah, not Muhammad,
founded their religion" [syn: Islamism, Mohammedanism,
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Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay attacked by Islamic terrorists.
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London attacked by Islamic terrorists.
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Madrid attacked by Islamic terrorists.
================= EXHIBIT 4 ================
AMERICANS MURDERED ON A BRIDGE IN FALLUJA BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMAN TERRORISTS
================= EXHIBIT 5 ================
TORTURE OF AMERICANS BY ISLAMIC SUBHUMAN TERRORISTS.
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VERY PARTIAL LIST OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST ACTIVITIES
Full list is pages and pages and pages and pages.
1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beruit, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homacidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Rusian concert bombing
2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
on and on and on and on their terrorism has gone .........
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Islamic Terrorists (mainly from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan) attack America
murdering 3000 Americans per hour [pictures censored by the MSM]
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Russia, at Beslan, with children murdered by Islamic terrorists.
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=========== Documents linking Atta, Saddam, Nidal, bin Ladin ===========
Handwritten letter dated Feb. 19, 1998 linking bin Laden and Saddam Hussein
discussing arrival of a secret envoy sent by bin Laden to Iraq.
The signature beneath the letter is a codename, "MDA" - the Mukhabarat.
================= EXHIBIT 10================
=========== Islamic terrorists promising to conquer America prior to murdering all Christians and Jews therein.
Quran 8:12 I shall terrorize the infidels.
So wound their bodies and incapacitate them
because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.
Quran 8:57 If you gain mastery over them in battle,
inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them,
so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.
I've mentioned before that the RFK item on your list is flat wrong. Sirhan Sirhan was not a Muslim terrorist.
Cowardly Anti-Semites Ignoring Reality
Crying About Intolerance Relentlessly
Can't Admit Islam's Responsible
Creeps, @$$holes, Idiots & Retards
Churches Are Incinerated Regularly
Feel free to add your own!
Sure he was. Look at it from a logical point of view. Fascists that practice Christianity(No such thing by the way), would be called Christian-Fascists, Fascists that practice Islam are Islamic-Fascists(plenty of those around). Get the picture?
Anyway, good try with the explanation but I am not buying it. Christianity is the name of the religion. Christian is the name of one who practices the religion. So, if Islam is the name of the religion and Muslim is one who pratices Islam, than we should just call them Muslim Facists. The key term here is Facist.
BOR actually made that point!
The same reason that, AFAIK, no Muslims wept as they watched desperate people jump to their deaths while the WTC burned.
Myself, being LDS, I am very sensitive to religious persecution and stereotyping. But it's very difficult to swallow the "religion of peace" mantra. If it's true at all, even for some Muslims, they really need to be a bit more visible with it, IMHO. When such widespread atrocities have been committed in the name of Islam, there must be a strong, visible, concerted effort by the supposedly peace-loving remainder to show that it's a "religion of peace".
Talk is cheap.
Yes, I think they want to deceive us, but even worse, they have deceived themselves. That's why we cannot talk to them.
One thing I learned in the Navy - to recognize BS when I hear it. I heard plenty of it from CAIR last night. You think BOR would not put up with it, but as long as you come on his program, you are a good sport.
Does this mean full of $**t?
Word salad. Nazis were simply wearing the disguise of appearing Catholic while practicing Facism and Aryan superiority under the tenets of the Thule Society. Muslims do the same thing by practicing a perversion of Islam under Wahabbi tenets.
I like your use of Webster, but the only problem is when confronted with these definitions, the typical IslamoFacist will state 'that is what you say it is, not what it really it.' When you attempt to pin it down, you have better luck catching a greased pig.
The guy wiped the floor with O'Reilly, making clear that Eric Rudolph was a Christian over and over.
O'Reilly was totally unprepared for the conversation, Rudolph is a self proclaimed atheist (and drug dealer), McVey was also not a Christian.
Just more of the same old taqiyya from CAIR.
But it is the same as being an Islamist fanatic who wants to force you to think like he does.
He wasn't a Muslim when he assasinated RFK. Currently, he does not practice Islam.
yiddish for crazy
Someone should've pointed out that one of the Religion Of Pieces' proponent groups has named itself ISLAMIC JIHAD.
Those folks seem to have a real gift for doubletalk.
We don't fall for their taquiyah anymore. I bet that pisses them off.
and here we have another smokescreen from CAIR. Practicing the, according to the Koran, duty for the good muslim to lie to the infidels for the glory of that demon they worship
Funny. When I went to school in the 60's, they were called MOSLEM. Wonder when the shift occurred and why.
Jesus said, "By their fruits you will know them"
"The headline is all I need to see to know its a LIE."
Or just a very clumsy utterance of stupidity. And that's a dangerous thing. If people tell lies, you can prove them wrong. If people are malignent stupid, there's nothing you can do.
does the koran instruct muslims to travel miles and miles to buy cell phones ?
I guess you are right, I should start using it that way. Thomas Sowell does.
Until the late 1980s, the term Moslem was commonly used. Muslims do not recommend this spelling because it is often pronounced "mawzlem" /m?zl?m/ which sounds somewhat similar to an Arabic word for "oppressed" (Za'lem in Arabic)....
Many English-language writers used to call Muslims Mohammedans or Mahometans. ...
English writers of the 19th century and earlier sometimes used the words Mussulman, Musselman, or Mussulmaun. Variant forms of this word are still used by many Indo-European languages. These words are similar to the French, Spanish, Italian and Portuguese words for "Muslim."