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Sony Might Have Gotten It Right with the PS3 from the Beginning
Softpedia ^ | November 5th, 2007 | Filip Truta

Posted on 11/25/2007 10:38:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv

Dr Gaurav Khanna is a professor at the University of Massachusetts. He has been renting supercomputers at NASA and the US National Science Foundation for US$20,000-$30,000 a year to run complicated calculations on just how much radiation is emitted in the process of a black hole swallowing a star... "For US$4,000 or so, I can get eight PS3s that can do the same task that I'd do on a supercomputer. For a one-time cost, I have this resource I can use privately. I can use it indefinitely over and over again. That's hugely attractive. That's why I considered the project. I have my own supercomputer right here. There's no elaborate process for getting time. There's no waiting. It's just mine." ...the professor claims it has "has a lot more potential -- a better processor in my opinion," he said. "What's unique is that they (Sony) made it an open platform. Normally with a game console, the maker controls who can run what on it. What Sony did was make the PS3 an open platform. They let you run whatever you want on it. It has the full capabilities of a normal computer. You can run Firefox or whatever you want. It gave me the possibility of doing whatever I want with it."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.softpedia.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: nasa; nsf; ps3; science; sony; stringtheory
graphic from another, related story:
This is a graphic of one black hole spiraling into another. It is representative of the problems Prof. Khanna is analyzing.
Robin Harris, Persistence of Memory, October 29th, 2007, Build an 8 PS3 supercomputer
Gaurav Khanna ps3:
Google

1 posted on 11/25/2007 10:38:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: Las Vegas Dave

From PlayStation to Supercomputer for $50,000
New York Times | 2003-05-26 | By JOHN MARKOFF
Posted on 05/26/2003 9:27:15 AM EDT by Lessismore
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/917846/posts

Sony: PlayStation 3 Can Help Cure Cancer
Fox News.com | Wednesday, November 22, 2006 | Assoicated Press
Posted on 12/05/2006 1:01:59 PM EST by sportutegrl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1748815/posts

PlayStation 3 gives Blu-ray disc sales a boost
GamesDog | 5/23/2007
Posted on 05/24/2007 2:11:49 PM EDT by HamiltonJay
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1839164/posts

HD VMD to Battle Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD
PC World | 08 September 2007 | Alan Stafford
Posted on 09/10/2007 11:20:25 PM EDT by ShadowAce
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1894373/posts

Slaughter: Horror at Sony’s depraved
promotion stunt with decapitated goat
Evening Standard | 4-28-07
Posted on 04/28/2007 8:47:23 PM EDT by Snickering Hound
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825327/posts

“video of a real OS being loaded on the PS3.” — ShadowAce (thanks!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45eNPrIT9Qw


2 posted on 11/25/2007 10:40:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; ...
the list, plus Ernest.

3 posted on 11/25/2007 10:41:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_microprocessor

The Cell architecture is one of the most powerful processor designs out there. The supercomputer abilities of these processors in parallel was known right from the time in debuted.


4 posted on 11/25/2007 10:42:11 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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Folding@home - The PS3 and Post-PetaFLOP
Folding@home: The Science | 09/18/2007 | PandeGroup
Posted on 10/04/2007 12:20:01 PM EDT by texas booster
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1906532/posts

PS3 network enters record books
Last Updated: Friday, 2 November 2007, 10:41 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7074547.stm

[snip] A project that harnesses the spare processing power of Sony’s PlayStation 3 (PS3) to help understand the cause of diseases has entered the record books. Guinness World Records has recognised folding@home (FAH) as the world’s most powerful distributed computing network. [end]


5 posted on 11/25/2007 10:44:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Good thing, because it doesn’t seem to be catching on much as a gaming platform.
6 posted on 11/25/2007 10:47:15 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Definitely looks like it, although the chip is so expensive to make that its difficult to make money, the game system is more expensive.

“Operating losses in Sony’s video game unit for the year ending March 2008 could potentially exceed Y100 billion (L422 million) - twice as much as the Y50 billion (L211 million) originally projected, a Sony spokeswoman told Reuters.”

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/31/40gb-ps3-65nm-cell-processor


7 posted on 11/25/2007 10:49:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: highlander_UW

I’m not a gamer, but apparently the Wii has really nice interface devices. At some friends’ house I went virtual bowling (that’s the extent of what I can handle), and it was silly, but almost realistic.


8 posted on 11/25/2007 10:51:02 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Didn’t the computer geniuses at Virginia Tech put together a bunch of Apple computers to make a super computer?


9 posted on 11/25/2007 10:53:40 AM PST by freedom1st
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To: SunkenCiv

Nintedo got the price/affordability/features mix right with the Wii, from the market perspective.

Sony’s PS3 is definitely the feature/capability-wise most superior console available right now, but it prices itself out of most people’s pockets.


10 posted on 11/25/2007 10:55:18 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’ve heard that as well. When asked, my 12 yr old son says he’d like a Play Station 2. The PS3 is too expensive.


11 posted on 11/25/2007 10:56:07 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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from the working file:
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12 posted on 11/25/2007 10:57:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: freedom1st

Once the networking stuff got nice and cheap, even trivial, and dozens or hundreds of old peecees got replaced, and Linux came on strong, I remember reading about parallel processing across piles of linked machines, being done very cheaply at universities. Naturally, the processing power is much higher now.

But anyway, you’ve come to the right guy...

Speaking of Apple parallel processing:

http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/CratePaper.html


13 posted on 11/25/2007 11:00:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: highlander_UW

That’s a great kid, right there, “no, I don’t want you to spend more money, the PS2 will be fine”. Of course, the Iraqis innovated the use of linked PS2s as a supercomputing platform...

WND Exclusive: Why Iraq’s buying up Sony PlayStation 2s
Source: World Net Daily
Published: December 19, 2000 Author: Joseph Farah
Posted on 12/19/2000 01:16:53 PST by Singapore_Yank
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a3f27852c0f.htm

Why Saddam Bought 1,400 Playstation 2 Toys
Source: Jai Links
Published: 12 21 00 Author: Jim Miklaszewski NBC
Posted on 12/22/2000 03:38:14 PST by oceanperch
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a433d26700d.htm


14 posted on 11/25/2007 11:03:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: CarrotAndStick; Swordmaker

Sony plans more home media stuff built-in, also keyboard and mouse will be included to ease web-surfing. I’d be very surprised not to see the chip used in other platforms from IBM and perhaps Toshiba (the other developers of the Cell).

I actually downloaded a 700MB iso Linux distro (see, I’m catchin’ the lingo) and burned it (SM — I used MacOS 9.2.1, Disk Copy, and the Adaptec original of Toast, and a USB 1.1 Iomega outboard burner, nyah nyah) onto a CD, because I want to start folding proteins for the cause, and I’ve got, hmm, at least a couple of old wintels setting around. I want to try networking this Gateway, just to get a WFW 3.1 online, may be the last one still running...

I’d like to patch up the iMac as well, but turning into a wall decoration that is also functional, so I’m going to have to find someone who knows some stuff about that bad analog board, also fix up an outboard monitor (maybe I’ll do that KVM). Having an iMac (rev B, 1999) hanging on the wall here and doing nothing but folding proteins would be pretty geeky.


15 posted on 11/25/2007 11:11:45 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
That’s a great kid, right there, “no, I don’t want you to spend more money, the PS2 will be fine”.

That is exactly what he said. He is a great kid.

16 posted on 11/25/2007 11:20:54 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1929553/posts

Current Folding@home thread.

It is pretty amazing what Sony has built around the Cell processor.

I understand that IBM and ATIAMD are working together on future projects ...


17 posted on 11/25/2007 1:24:00 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

:’) Thanks.

They’re collaborating on AMD’s move from 65nm to 45nm, which should take place in 2008.


18 posted on 11/25/2007 1:59:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I know nothing about string theory....I did see an Alexander Horned Sphere several times though.


19 posted on 11/25/2007 2:21:46 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: SunkenCiv
What's interesting is that the idea of building a supercomputer on the cheap by running a whole bunch of identical PC-class machines in massively parallel fashion has been around for many years. Remember the Beowulf clustering project for Linux-based computers? I knew one biotech company clustered 1,000 identical small tower PC machines running Intel Pentium III 800 MHz CPU's using Beowulf clustering software and was able to achieve supercomputer-like results for DNA research; today, with "blade" server machines, 1,000 identical CPU's could be clustered together in a room about the size of the living room of most family sized houses--and the CPU's will all be quad-core Intel Xeon processors.
20 posted on 11/25/2007 3:44:31 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: CarrotAndStick
Sony’s PS3 is definitely the feature/capability-wise most superior console available right now, but it prices itself out of most people’s pockets.

Kind of like Betamax...

Mark

21 posted on 11/25/2007 4:22:10 PM PST by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Maybe you’d prefer my Silly String Theory Ping List instead? ;’)

Really, I just pinged you because of the PS3 / supercomputing angle. :’D


22 posted on 11/25/2007 5:03:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: RayChuang88

The best part of that idea was that the CPUs in a lot of these projects were considered obsolete, but in any case (heh) had been superseded and would have otherwise been disposed of somewhere. :’)


23 posted on 11/25/2007 5:05:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; texas booster

Ping.

They’re playing our song!


24 posted on 11/25/2007 8:55:32 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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Folding@home - Make a Diffrence With Those New Computers
Folding@home at Stanford University | 11/23/2007 | Texas Booster
Posted on 11/23/2007 7:47:21 AM EST by texas booster
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1929553/posts


25 posted on 11/28/2007 8:05:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, November 27, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Maryland Professor Creates Desktop Supercomputer
PhysOrg | 6/26/07
Posted on 06/27/2007 2:50:49 PM EDT by LibWhacker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1857209/posts


26 posted on 12/06/2007 9:18:27 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, December 5, 2007 _________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Toshiba, NEC Electronics to team up on 32-nm chips
Reuters | Tuesday, November 27, 2007 | Mayumi Negishi
Posted on 12/06/2007 10:59:31 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1935636/posts

Getting more from Moore’s Law
BBC News | Tuesday, November 13, 2007 | Jonathan Fildes
Posted on 12/06/2007 1:57:44 PM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1935727/posts


27 posted on 12/06/2007 11:08:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, December 5, 2007 _________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Folding@home - Make a Diffrence With Those New Computers
Folding@home at Stanford University | 11/23/2007 | Texas Booster
Posted on 11/23/2007 7:47:21 AM EST by texas booster
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1929553/posts

FR Folding@Home Project Update - Sony PS3 Will Impact Huntingdon’s Disease
Stanford University Pande Group | April 5, 2007 | Stanford University
Posted on 04/06/2007 1:04:12 PM EDT by texas booster
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1813171/posts

FR Folding@Home Project Update - Sony Playstation 3 Makes Its Debut!
Fox News Technology | 03/23/2007 | LOU KESTEN, Associated Press Writer
Posted on 03/24/2007 12:31:00 AM EDT by texas booster
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1805959/posts


28 posted on 12/07/2007 11:08:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, December 5, 2007 _________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

bttt


29 posted on 01/05/2008 9:22:56 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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Apple intros new Mac Pro, the fastest Mac ever with eight processor cores standard
Mac Daily News | Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 08:37 AM EST
Posted on 01/08/2008 9:52:47 PM EST by Swordmaker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1950626/posts


30 posted on 01/08/2008 10:36:49 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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S3 Chip Goes To War
Red Herring | October 12, 2006
Posted on 10/16/2006 1:03:09 PM EDT by Straight Vermonter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1720323/posts


31 posted on 01/31/2008 10:30:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__________________Profile updated Wednesday, January 16, 2008)
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Doctors use Wii games for rehab therapy
kentucky.com | Feb. 09, 2008 | LINDSEY TANNER
Posted on 02/11/2008 1:19:32 PM EST by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1968567/posts


32 posted on 02/11/2008 11:35:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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Wal-Mart to only sell Blu-ray DVDs
Yahoo News/REUTERS | Feb. 15th 2008 | Reporting by Franklin Paul; editing by Phil Berlowitz
Posted on 02/15/2008 2:48:58 PM EST by Mad Dawgg
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971031/posts

and

Toshiba to drop HD DVD, sources say
Hollywood Reporter | 2-15-08 | Thomas K. Arnold and Erik Gruenwedel
Posted on 02/14/2008 9:20:09 PM EST by Snickering Hound
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1970636/posts

Toshiba to pull the plug on HD DVD?
(Rumoured to be conceding defeat in format war)
Pocket Lint (Gadget News and Reviews: UK) | 15 February 2008 8:57 GMT | Amy-Mae Elliott
Posted on 02/15/2008 4:39:43 PM EST by Paleo Conservative
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1971098/posts


33 posted on 02/15/2008 10:50:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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How the PS3 led Blu-ray’s triumph
BBC News | Tuesday, February 19, 2008 | Will Smale
Posted on 02/20/2008 3:33:34 AM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1973200/posts


34 posted on 02/20/2008 12:44:09 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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Toshiba helps Sony cut PS3 production costs
TechSpot.com | February 20, 2008 | Jose Vilches
Posted on 02/23/2008 10:51:26 PM EST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1975292/posts


35 posted on 02/23/2008 8:42:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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IBM explores 67.1m-core computer for running entire internet
The Register | 5 February 2008 | Ashlee Vance
Posted on 02/06/2008 3:29:12 PM EST by ShadowAce
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966018/posts


36 posted on 02/28/2008 10:53:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________________Profile updated Tuesday, February 19, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

Could you add me to the ping list? Thanks.


37 posted on 03/09/2008 11:30:31 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: randomhero97; Las Vegas Dave

Thanks for the reply. I don’t have a list for this. The closest is probably Las Vegas Dave’s HDTV list.


38 posted on 03/09/2008 11:48:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: randomhero97

Oh, sorry, I see, the String Theory list? Will do.


39 posted on 03/09/2008 11:48:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: CarrotAndStick

The PS3 is priced in the wheelhouse of the next gen consoles. $399 for a gaming system with a 40 gig drive, built in wireless and a blu-ray player isn’t that bad. It’s cheaper than an Xbox360 with the hard drive and wireless adapter — and that’s without Blu-ray.


40 posted on 03/10/2008 12:10:08 AM PDT by MediaMole
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To: MediaMole

Very true. The price has fallen recently; a year or so ago, it was pretty expensive compared to the alternatives.

If I was going for a gaming console, I’d choose a PS3.


41 posted on 03/10/2008 12:23:55 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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