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Sun Seems Eerily Calm
Space.com ^ | 06/11/2008 | Andrea Thompson

Posted on 06/11/2008 12:00:22 PM PDT by cogitator

The sun's surface has been fairly blank for the last couple of years, and that has some worried that it may be entering another Maunder minimum, the sun's 50-year abstinence from sunspots, which some scientists have linked to the Little Ice Age of the 17th century.

Could a new sunspot drought plunge us into another decades-long cold spell?

It's not very likely, says David Hathaway a solar physicist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.

The question came up after an international solar conference held last week at Montana State University, where scientists discussed the dearth of solar activity in the last couple years.

"It continues to be dead," said Saku Tsuneta with the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan and program manager for the Hinode solar mission. "That's a small concern, a very small concern," because the period of inactivity seems to be going on longer than normal. Some scientists think such inactive periods, such as the Maunder minimum, are responsible for cold spells in the past, such as the Little Ice Age.

The sun's energy drives all climate and weather on Earth. And Hathaway does agree there are good indications that fluctuations in solar output related to sunspot cycles influence the Earth's climate. And the Maunder minimum isn't the only evidence — scientists have linked two smaller sunspot minimums (periods of time with very few sunspots) in the early 19th century to cold spells, as well as periods before the Maunder minimum deduced from tree ring records, he said.

But the sun isn't the only thing that influences our climate: volcanic eruptions, large-scale phenomena such as El Nino, and, more recently, the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere also affect the global climate.

Prior to the industrial revolution, the sun probably accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability, Hathaway told SPACE.com, but now that greenhouse gases have started to build up, "the sun's contribution is getting smaller and smaller," he added.

Short solar cycle?

Solar cycles are the ebb and flow of the sun's magnetic activity over a roughly 11-year period, which affects the formation of solar features such as solar flares and sunspots. Sunspots are cooler, dimmer areas on the sun's surface.

The last solar cycle, which peaked in 2001, was a particularly intense one, with an upsurge in solar storms between 2000 and 2002. Such intense activity in the peak of the solar cycle tends to lead to less activity at the end of the cycle.

Signs of the current, new solar cycle (which actually overlaps with the last cycle) showed up in November 2006, and its first sunspots were seen in January of this year, and again in April, Hathaway said. So already that rules out another Maunder minimum, Hathaway says, since this solar cycle has already begun producing spots, even if there haven't been many of them yet.

This cycle is just simply "off to a slow start," Hathaway said.

The last three solar cycles were also what Hathaway calls "big cycles," meaning they had more than the average number of sunspots (the average is around 110 to 120 sunspots on any given day during the cycle's maximum). It's not unusual for such a spate of prolific cycles to be followed my more muted solar cycles (such as the cycle that preceded the last three biggies).

Hathaway says that solar physicists are divided on their predictions of this new solar cycle — some say it will be small, others say it will be another doozy. Predictions have ranged anywhere from 75 to 150 maximum spots during its peak. "There really are two camps," Hathaway said. Whatever the number ends up being, though, "it's not zero," he added.

Why the sun is so fickle in its sunspot production is still something of a quandary. "We still don't fully understand how the sun does this," Hathaway noted.

Scientists do know that two processes on the sun influence sunspot activity. The first is the strength of the shear zone (which lies at the base of the sun's convection zone, about 30 percent of the way inside the sun).

The shear zone can stretch out the sun's magnetic fields, which then affect the strength of the solar cycle, and thus the number of sunspots. The second process, called the meridional circulation, describes the flow of stellar material from the equator toward the poles and back again, and it can also influence the cycle's strength.

Towards the end of the last solar cycle, for example, "that flow seemed to have slowed down quite a bit," weakening the cycle and reducing the number of sunspots, Hathaway said. "It's the slowest we've ever seen," he added.

So based on the nearly 400-year record of sunspots that scientists have, this slow start isn't unusual. "It's just taking its merry old time," Hathaway said.

(His personal prediction is that sunspot activity will start to pick up in the next few months. "I keep looking everyday," he said.)

No impending ice age

Though there is debate about how and whether the Maunder minimum actually caused the Little Ice Age, scientists have proposed a few hypotheses as to how it could have done so.

One idea springs from the fact that the sun emits much more ultraviolet radiation when it is covered in sunspots, which can affect the chemistry of Earth's atmosphere. The other is that when the sun is active, it produces tangled magnetic fields that keep out galactic cosmic rays. Some scientists have proposed that a lack of sunspots means these cosmic rays are bombarding Earth and creating clouds, which can help cool the planet's surface.

But these ideas aren't yet proven, and anyway, the sun's contribution is small compared to volcanoes, El Nino and greenhouse gases, Hathaway notes.

Even if there were another Maunder minimum, he says, we would still suffer the effects of greenhouse gases and the Earth's climate would remain warm. "It doesn't overpower them at all," Hathaway said.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: activity; catastrophism; climatechange; cycle; environment; globalwarming; littleiceage; maunderminimum; solar; solaractivity; sun; sunspots
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To: cogitator
The most recent Total Solar Irradiance numbers from the PMOD composite are lower than the estimated TSI throughout the 20th Century.

The Sun has definitely cooled off.


61 posted on 06/12/2008 5:37:12 PM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: xjcsa

LOL.


62 posted on 06/12/2008 8:03:29 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: cogitator
If I correct the statement (Prior to the industrial revolution, "variability of the sun probably accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability...") it's an improvement.

The variability of mean temperature of this distribution is held relatively leptocurtic, at whatever temperature possible, because of the sun.

Illustrated by the question, in lay terms: what would the variability be without the sun?

63 posted on 06/12/2008 9:16:08 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: The Black Knight; cogitator; All

“less sunspots than normal”

I attended a lecture by an experienced solar scientist. He says the next several will probably be a little cooler, but will then be followed by much hotter weather. If the average 88 year sunspot cycle pattern is still in effect, add that figure to the dates of of the severe weather in the Great Depression, roughly 1929 to 1933, and probably we will have very bad conditions around 2017 to 2021. For those unfamiliar with the sun spot cycles, they average 11 years, 22 years, and a major cycle 88 years.


64 posted on 06/13/2008 12:24:55 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: cogitator; All

I guess what has the Global Warming folks in an uproar is what is shown on Figures 2, 3, 4, and 6 on your link. It is very clear on these Figures that after 1980 temperatures [the red line] continued to rise although the blue lines dropped back down. This is different from the previous 100 years, where they seemed to go up and down in tandem.


65 posted on 06/13/2008 12:40:00 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Flycatcher; cogitator; All

Hathaway’s explanation of variability.

I suspect he is comparing the variability with a base line of sun influence. Kind of like if a pot of water is on simmer, the water is 112 degrees farenheit, but if you turn up the heat you get a rolling boil which is a little hotter. If you consider the sun’s base line is a simmer, then the variability is anything more than that.


66 posted on 06/13/2008 12:46:37 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Bulwinkle

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67 posted on 06/13/2008 1:11:28 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: JustDoItAlways
I have to compile my data from my Davis weather station for the last four years. I have noticed a dramatic drop off in solar radiation as compared to the previous four year period. I will have to see how it compares to other Davis recordings in the online community. Your graph goes to 2007 and (I can confirm from my station) so far this year (2008) those numbers appear to be trending much lower.
68 posted on 06/13/2008 1:21:25 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: PA Engineer

Up-to-date PMOD composite Total Solar Irradiance data for the last three cycles is charted at this link.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/pmod/mean:12

The SORCE solar instrument is not recording the extent of drop-off as PMOD but is still trending lower indicating solar cycle 23 is not over yet.

http://lasp.colorado.edu/cgi-bin/ion-p?page=input_data_for_tsi.ion


69 posted on 06/13/2008 5:34:46 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: JustDoItAlways
Intriguing. Thanks. I found the following link to find out more about PMOD.

ACRIM vs. PMOD -- is the Sun getting hotter?

70 posted on 06/13/2008 6:30:01 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: gleeaikin
It is very clear on these Figures that after 1980 temperatures [the red line] continued to rise although the blue lines dropped back down.

Following along the issue as I've been doing for years, there seems to have been a common view that the anthropogenic global warming signal perceptibly emerged from the noise of natural climate variability with the warming trend that commenced in the mid-1970s. Even though there will continue to be troughs and valleys (we're in a trough), unless something really drastic happens, the trend in temperatures will continue upward.

71 posted on 06/13/2008 6:35:31 AM PDT by cogitator
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72 posted on 06/13/2008 11:42:42 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: cogitator
Hmmm? Still winter in Canada and the NW US causing flooding and tornadoes in the Midwest. Huge snow packs in the Cascades and Rockies.

Could be!

73 posted on 06/13/2008 12:52:42 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: cogitator

GW caused by the approach of PLANET-X.

http://www.planet-x.150m.com/changes.html


74 posted on 06/13/2008 1:04:28 PM PDT by wolfcreek (I see miles and miles of Texas....let's keep it that way.)
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To: cogitator

There is a coronal hole.

A solar wind flowing from the indicated coronal hole should reach Earth on or about June 16th.

http://www.spaceweather.com/


75 posted on 06/13/2008 4:07:04 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: cogitator
Prior to the industrial revolution, the sun probably accounted for about 10 to 30 percent of climate variability, Hathaway told SPACE.com, but now that greenhouse gases have started to build up, "the sun's contribution is getting smaller and smaller," he added.

Is he related to Jane Hathaway? The greenhouse gases depend on the sun for any effect they have. Besides, CO2 was already on the increase before the Industrial Revolution, probably from the last round of warming in the Medieval Warm Period. It's been around the right length of time from the onset of the MWP to the start of the increase in CO2.
76 posted on 06/13/2008 4:21:12 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: xjcsa
That's like worrying that we'll enter another Medieval Warm Period. We may well be entering another minimum, but another Maunder minimum would require time travel, as it was a specific historic event.

You're reaching. If someone said, "We could enter the Maunder minimum" then you could say that. But no one is or has been saying that. Just as when people say that we could enter another great depression no one is thinking that we'd be entering the same one that ended over 60 years ago.
77 posted on 06/13/2008 4:25:11 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: xjcsa

I’m already bucking for the “Gore-Hansen Minimum” for various reasons.

Oh, and the article is a BIT deceptive since it seems that large weather patters, like El Nino, are related to the Sun’s cycles ... so saying that the Sun isn’t a major factor — but something caused by the variability of solar performance is — is a bit like saying that the National Debt is caused by vendors selling office supplies to the federal government.


78 posted on 06/13/2008 11:01:33 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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79 posted on 06/15/2008 6:45:39 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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for comment later.


80 posted on 06/15/2008 6:53:52 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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