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The Large Hadron Collider was tested this weekend and a black hole hasn't destroyed the Earth...yet
VentureBeat ^ | August 10th, 2008 | MG Siegler

Posted on 08/12/2008 9:12:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

The science blog Cosmic Variance has a great rundown of what the LHC could find. At the top of this list is the Higgs boson, which is the only particle in the Standard Model (the theory that describes the fundamental interactions between the particles that make up all matter), that hasn't yet been detected. The site thinks there is a 95 percent chance the LHC finds this particle, and that could lead to a much better understanding of how our universe works.

Other notable possibilities on Cosmic Variance's list include finding extra dimensions (these could be so-called "warped" hidden dimensions or a large dimension we have not yet detected), evidence for or against String Theory (perhaps the most popular "theory of everything" in recent times), dark matter (the matter that theoretically makes up most of the Universe but we can't see it), dark energy (invisible like dark matter, but theoretically making up some 70 percent of the universe -- much more than matter), and a bunch of sub-atomic particles that you've probably never heard of and I won't go into...

The likelihood of the LHC creating a stable black hole that could destroy the work is 10 to the negative 25th power, according to Cosmic Variance's list. For some perspective, the likelihood of finding God is 10 to the negative 20th power, according to the same list.

After the initial test this weekend, the LHC will start up for real on September 10th. At that time, a full-power beam will travel around the accelerator's 17 mile course and reach 99.99 percent of the speed of light, according to Wired.

(Excerpt) Read more at venturebeat.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: blackholes; freepun; higgsboson; stringtheory; toobad; wesurvived
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1 posted on 08/12/2008 9:12:25 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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End of the World? Hadron Collider to be turned on this weekend.
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Posted on 02/03/2007 1:18:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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-Higgs boson-

Prof Peter Higgs interview:
Smashing atoms at CERN and the hunt for the ‘God’ particle
The Telegraph | 4/8/2008 | Roger Highfield
Posted on 04/08/2008 6:06:11 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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Key scientist sure “God particle” will be found soon
Reuters via Yahoo | 04/07/2008 | Robert Evans
Posted on 04/07/2008 8:05:12 PM PDT by rpage3
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No sign of the Higgs boson
New Scientist | December 5, 2001 (note the year) | Eugenie Samuel
Posted on 04/10/2007 8:48:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Desperately seeking the Higgs boson
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Top Quark Measurements Give ‘God Particle’ New Lease on Life
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The God Particle and the Grid
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2 posted on 08/12/2008 9:12:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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another article about the impending boom and doom:
A question of everything
Tim Radford
guardian.co.uk
Thursday August 07 2008 00:08 BST

3 posted on 08/12/2008 9:14:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; Las Vegas Dave; ...

4 posted on 08/12/2008 9:14:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Large Hadron Collider was tested this weekend and a black hole hasn't destroyed the Earth...yet

Well, there's always the weekend.

5 posted on 08/12/2008 9:17:51 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Here they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Large Hadron Collider was tested this weekend and a black hole hasn’t destroyed the Earth...yet

I confess I know next to nothing on this topic. The one article I read did say that if a black hole developed it would start out smaller than atom size and go back and forth through the earth devouring it and gaining in size as it went.

Since it develops exponentially. We would only notice it when there were minutes left for the earth to disappear. Also it would take 1-2 years to develop.


6 posted on 08/12/2008 9:19:51 AM PDT by Hang'emAll (WE WILL NOT DISARM!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I heard it will take about 4 yrs to happen...


7 posted on 08/12/2008 9:21:10 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: SunkenCiv

What a racist headline!


8 posted on 08/12/2008 9:22:22 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (College kid: "Do you have a minute for Obama?" NVA: "Not now or ever.")
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To: SunkenCiv

99.99 percent of the speed of light is very slow compared to ultra-high-energy cosmic rays that have already been hitting the earth for billions of years. The fastest detected ones are on the order of 99.999999999999999999995% c. That gives a single nucleon the momentum of a baseball thrown at 60 mph. If those haven’t created earth-sucking black holes then the LHC certainly won’t. There’s also two or three other reasons why the possibility can be dismissed. Hawking radiation being one: any micro black hole would almost instantly evaporate the moment it is created. Another: collisions at nearly the speed of light also rebound at that speed, so a black hole will fly through the earth and into space in a split second. Also, a black hole the mass of only a few atoms is not likely to accumulate more mass very quickly anyway.


9 posted on 08/12/2008 9:33:27 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: SunkenCiv
Just reporting in and for the record; I’m still here! (At least I think I am but if I still think, therefore I still am…right?)

Seriously, I have a lot more to fear from the man made “Black Hole” that is the Obama presidency than I do from any man made black hole from the hadron collider.
10 posted on 08/12/2008 9:44:00 AM PDT by Caramelgal (Just a lump of organized protoplasm - braying at the stars :),)
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To: stuartcr

Let’s see. 2008 plus 4 is, um...... Oh WOW man!


11 posted on 08/12/2008 9:51:08 AM PDT by DManA
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To: NonValueAdded

And at 99.9% the speed of light racist no less!


12 posted on 08/12/2008 10:59:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
But, but, but ... there will be two protons, each moving at 99.9% the speed of light smashing head-on into each other in a magnetic confinement chamber! That's almost twice the speed of light inertia, er, um, I mean ... oh, nevermind.


13 posted on 08/12/2008 11:05:02 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: DManA

See...those Mayans new something.


14 posted on 08/12/2008 11:28:14 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: MHGinTN

I’ve heard similar arguments, actually. The magnetic confinement chamber is more like a choke, it narrows the beam rather than holds it captive. At 99.99% the speed of light there is really no way to prevent the resultant sub-atomic particles from flying away again at the same speed in random directions.


15 posted on 08/12/2008 1:15:56 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
I have a curiosity question for ya: IF a particle were created in the collision which left through the 'cloud chamber' at greater than the speed of light, how would it be registered on the recording devices? ... I've been wanting to ask Lisa Randall that question ever since reading her book Warped Passages.
16 posted on 08/12/2008 1:52:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Nothing can go faster than the speed of light. It would require infinite energy for anything with mass to attain the speed of light, and FTL travel in any form creates unresolvable paradoxes. That’s the simple answer, anyway.


17 posted on 08/12/2008 2:32:36 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Nothing stuck on our brane can exceed light’s limit as we see it. Change the temporal coordinates and it is a completely different reality, and I’m wondering how we are going to discern when/if we’ve tapped something over into those different temporal coordinates. THAT is what I wanted to write and ask Lisa, but I haven’t an address.


18 posted on 08/12/2008 2:49:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: SunkenCiv
“The Large Hadron Collider was tested this weekend and a black hole hasn't destroyed the Earth...yet”

How do we know for sure?

It could have been destroyed and flung us into the past.

19 posted on 08/12/2008 2:52:02 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: SunkenCiv

So then if a single nucleon leaves Chicago heading towards New York at 99.999999999999999999995% c, and another single nucleon leaves New York 45 minutes later heading towards Chicago at 99.99999999999999999874655% c, approximately what time will the first nucleon pass Erie, Pennsylvania?


20 posted on 08/12/2008 2:57:57 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: GreenHornet

Hey, ya can’t get there from here, didn’t ya know?


21 posted on 08/12/2008 3:02:58 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Change the temporal coordinates and it is a completely different reality

Now you've lost me completely. Relativity is complicated enough without adding branes and hyper dimensions. Hypothetical physics that exceeds our ability to test is just that.
22 posted on 08/12/2008 3:12:32 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: GreenHornet
Actually 99.999999999999999999995% c is just the more recognizable equivalent to the short-hand 1 - (5 * 10-24) c.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high-energy_cosmic_ray
23 posted on 08/12/2008 3:27:03 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: GreenHornet; The Spirit Of Allegiance

:’) Of course, it’s not only amusing, it also contains a particle of truth...


24 posted on 08/12/2008 9:54:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: GreenHornet
So then if a single nucleon leaves Chicago heading towards New York at 99.999999999999999999995% c, and another single nucleon leaves New York 45 minutes later heading towards Chicago at 99.99999999999999999874655% c, approximately what time will the first nucleon pass Erie, Pennsylvania?

Daylight Saving time, or Standard?

25 posted on 08/12/2008 10:00:31 PM PDT by Octar
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To: MHGinTN
That's actually a good one. The effect isn't like a bullet hitting a bullet most of the time, but when it does happen, it'll make prittteee sparks.
IF a particle were created in the collision which left through the 'cloud chamber' at greater than the speed of light, how would it be registered on the recording devices?
The amount of energy needed to get that last fraction of the velocity of light exceeds the energy needed to get it to that near-light velocity in the first place (according to Albert). So it won't happen in this device. Probably. Even if the streams were headed in the same direction, crossing the streams would do something completely anti-intuitive, rather than imparting momentum to the frontmost billiard ball (as it were) and producing a tachyon which would register before the interaction took place. That would in itself be a monumental discovery -- but I'm pretty sure that, after a few years, we'll all be glad that the LHC was built in Europe with mostly European money.

I think I linked to some other topics regarding the search for the Higgs boson, and there are those who think (probably correctly, IMVHO) that earlier experiments have failed to turn up any evidence for its existence. That's not to say that -- as with the failed neutrino detection experiments -- an ad hoc save-the-theory expediency won't be cooked up, to allow physicists to totter along with the Standard Model another forty years or so. ;')
26 posted on 08/12/2008 10:04:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Now you’re just scarin’ me. The whole Solar System or our whole galaxy could be inside a Black Hole right now, and we’d probably never know it. Maybe we’d see some artifacts, such as apparent lensing by apparently far-off objects, or an apparent “wall” of galaxies... hey wait a minute...


27 posted on 08/12/2008 10:07:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

F-theory will topple the Standard Model within the next ten years and be proven, too.


28 posted on 08/12/2008 10:08:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Caramelgal

See, who knew that the jokes would just jump right out of a topic on something this dry and academic?


29 posted on 08/12/2008 10:09:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Hang'emAll; stuartcr; NonValueAdded; Caramelgal; ...

Luckily for all of us, the LHC will have to be shut down soon, because the electricity used (off peak loading I’m sure, but still) will create too much CO2, melt the icecaps, and drown half the world’s population (living within 220 feet of current sea level).


30 posted on 08/12/2008 10:16:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bwahahahaha, thanx, I needed a good laugh this evening, er this morning!


31 posted on 08/12/2008 10:18:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

If not, at least there are plenty of letters left in the alphabet. ;’)


32 posted on 08/12/2008 11:03:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’ll probably take about 4 yrs also.


33 posted on 08/13/2008 5:01:44 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
Here's a little thing to help conceptualize, if you actually need such ... forgive me if this is a redundancy for you:

An interesting application of warped 5th dimension has been developed by Lisa Randall. In this model, the 5th dimension is located in between two 3-D branes. It is found that the extra dimension is severely warped in the form of de Sitter space with positive curvature by the presence of bulk and brane energy even though the branes themselves are completely flat (see Figure 10s). The strength of gravity depends on the position of the 5th dimension. As shown in Figure 10s (in term of graviton's probability function), it can be very strong on the Gravitybrane but becomes feeble on the Weakbrane where all the forces and particles in the Standard Model are confined. Only the gravitons can move anywhere in the branes and in the bulk. This model explains why gravity is weak in our world although it can be Figure 10s Warped 5-D [equations and images at http://universe-review.ca/I15-71-LisaRandall1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://universe-review.ca/R15-17-relativity.htm&h=450&w=384&sz=36&hl=en&start=14&um=1&tbnid=26auiPISaR7vIM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=108&prev=/images%3Fq%3DLisa%2BRandall%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7TSHB%26sa%3DX] very strong in another brane. It also introduces a new way to solve the hierarchy problem of huge difference in mass between the Planck scale and the Electro-weak scale. If the Planck scale mass is set at the Gravitybrane, then the mass of particles on the Weakbrane would be reduced by a factor of 1016 to the Tev range as expected.

34 posted on 08/13/2008 11:42:14 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

No, it’s not redundant. It echos a few things I’ve heard about theories of gravity, but really anything beyond Einstein’s theories is just hypothetical. Without being really into it, actually, it sounds ridiculous. But an outsider shouldn’t judge...


35 posted on 08/14/2008 2:56:42 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
When Richard Feynman presented the fundamentals of his Feynman diagrams, they were immediately stamped ridiculous. Brane theory was laughed at by some reknowned Physicists even as the equations were being explored by curious Physicists. Without the curiousity of the Kaluza Klein dimensional studies, Einstein's SR might have been rejected as too strange.
36 posted on 08/14/2008 10:07:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I see allot of people posting that the machine has been tested. I do not think it was tested. I understand that they injected the matter stream into the tunnel. That is not the test people. Only when both streams of matter are injected and collide which is the key word. When they smash together then it is a test or a big mistake what ever the outcome. They if it works will continue to increase the amounts of energy and matter until they get the big bang or a really big bang. Anyway maybe it would be best to know at what hour on Sept 9th-10th it will be fired up. I say ninth because of the time line. I would like to sin in my yard with a good stiff drink and a joint just in case it goes bad have a front row seat to the show.
37 posted on 09/06/2008 10:00:53 AM PDT by jakster
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To: jakster

This does have me a little concerned, doesn’t the presence of cosmic rays and oh my god particles prove nothing will happen? I have heard some say this isn’t true because it isn’t a head on collision. But I would assume cosmic rays must collide head on all the time as well.


38 posted on 09/06/2008 9:27:49 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: jakster

I really hate it when the Fourth of July firecrackers start popping all over late in June and continue all hours of the night around here until the kids run out of them. I hope some dopey permissive parent doesn’t cross state lines and bring in some hadron colliders, or the whole neighborhood will be vanishing into black holes every night for weeks.


39 posted on 09/06/2008 10:41:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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