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Civilized world vs uncivlized

Posted on 08/22/2008 5:40:29 AM PDT by afzalrizvi

Civilized world vs uncivilzed


TOPICS: Society
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Generally speaking, the self-proclaimed civilized world of the west charges the developing or the undeveloped Muslim world (scrolled by the label of an uncivlized community) as the world that is not fit to be called a positive world community.Given this point of reference, I have to candidly offer my arguments that the very touchstone by which we determine the standard of civilization should not merely be linked to the industrialized, globalized and the materialized means of life.It is an irony that the modern world commmunity is being defined by the afore-said three-dimensioal ways, that is absolutley not correct. A man who uses the computer may be difined as a modern man but he should/may not be defined as civilized, simply because to become a civilized man it is highly important that the conduct/deportment/ behavior/ thought of that man should be in accordance with the norms/moores set by the society. Therefore, a man living in the West or East can equally be civilzed by showing the required standard of civility.Factaully, the Muslim world lacks in education, science, research and developement.Yet to say that Muslims are more uncivilized than those pepole living in the west is a wrong hypothesis.What is the most striking irony of the western world is that despite its having much achievements in science, education and research, it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity.Sadly,quest for wars but no anxiety fo peace, remains the driving feature of the highminded policy makers in the west-paradoxically a criteria that suits to the most civilized world.
1 posted on 08/22/2008 5:40:29 AM PDT by afzalrizvi
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To: afzalrizvi
What is the most striking irony of the western world is that despite its having much achievements in science, education and research, it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity.

Yeah, they don't chop off hands of child thieves or stone people for adultery or kill teenage girls for the crime of having been raped or have beard patrols.
2 posted on 08/22/2008 5:45:51 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: afzalrizvi
it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity

Like strapping on a bomb belt to blow children at a grade school?

Islam is a vile system of sin and evil and always will be.

3 posted on 08/22/2008 5:47:38 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: afzalrizvi
Deep.

About knee-deep, in fact
4 posted on 08/22/2008 5:48:23 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: afzalrizvi

IBTZ!

It’s CATZ!


5 posted on 08/22/2008 5:50:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama: Can't kill the innocent fast enough, can't free the guilty soon enough!~ Diana in WI)
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To: afzalrizvi

It seems like you’re saying that as long as a person adheres to the code of the society that they live in they can be considered civilized. So if a society advocates murdering children those who are stand in opposition to this are less civilized.


6 posted on 08/22/2008 5:50:57 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: afzalrizvi

Oh, and IBTZ...


7 posted on 08/22/2008 5:51:51 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: afzalrizvi
I have no idea what you're talking about so here's an emotie of Mohamhead with a bomb on his noggin.

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8 posted on 08/22/2008 5:52:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: afzalrizvi

Not really worth it, but... IBTZ.


9 posted on 08/22/2008 5:52:51 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner; Darksheare

In before the inevitable ZOT!


10 posted on 08/22/2008 5:53:59 AM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: afzalrizvi
Factaully, the Muslim world lacks in education, science, research and developement.Yet to say that Muslims are more uncivilized than those pepole living in the west is a wrong hypothesis.

Muslims are not uncivilized because of education. They are uncivilized because they still adhere to 7th century teachings where women are treated as property, women are often murdered for the "crime" of dishonoring their family (each family gets to decide what that means), teaching children to hate Jews and western culture, telling people that you can murder your way into heaven, murdering tens of up thousands of innocent people while proclaiming "Allah Akbar" the whole time.

Should I go on? If you want people to believe that Muslims are civilized, THEN START ACTING CIVILIZED!

11 posted on 08/22/2008 5:54:01 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: afzalrizvi
Factually, the Muslim world lacks in education, science, research and development.

__________

Correct there.

But, honestly. Did you sign up today just to post that? also, spell check helps.

12 posted on 08/22/2008 5:54:07 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (I am a tagline virus. Copy and past me into your tagline space. Feel the love.)
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To: cripplecreek

Now that is truly clever.


13 posted on 08/22/2008 5:54:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama: Can't kill the innocent fast enough, can't free the guilty soon enough!~ Diana in WI)
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To: afzalrizvi

TBTZ. Too boring to Zot.


14 posted on 08/22/2008 5:54:28 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: afzalrizvi

15 posted on 08/22/2008 5:55:55 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (I am a tagline virus. Copy and past me into your tagline space. Feel the love.)
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To: afzalrizvi; darkwing104; Old Sarge

16 posted on 08/22/2008 5:59:26 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (I am a tagline virus. Copy and past me into your tagline space. Feel the love.)
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To: afzalrizvi

IBTZ!!


17 posted on 08/22/2008 6:06:25 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: afzalrizvi; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...



18 posted on 08/22/2008 6:07:18 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (~ ~ FREE LAZAMATAZ! ~ ~ [Shipping and handling charges may apply.])
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To: afzalrizvi
What is the most striking irony of the western world is that despite its having much achievements in science, education and research, it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity.

_______

Moral profile?

You have to be kidding, right?

19 posted on 08/22/2008 6:09:26 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (I am a tagline virus. Copy and past me into your tagline space. Feel the love.)
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To: afzalrizvi

IB4TZ


20 posted on 08/22/2008 6:10:25 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (We have standards & tradition, otherwise we'd be litle better than the DUmmies.)
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To: afzalrizvi

The civilized world uses paragraphs.


21 posted on 08/22/2008 6:12:00 AM PDT by newbolt
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge

Target sighted over here.


22 posted on 08/22/2008 6:12:12 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: afzalrizvi
Rather, the fact that very few Muslims spoke out against 911's murder of innocent humans, that they allow slavery, that they allow so-called "honor killings", that some of them can willingly let explosives be strapped to their children, that they allow the killing of fellow human beings as long as they are "infidels", that they seem to have no problem with killing a woman for showing a bit of ankle, that their cultural believes lock them in a mindset a thousand years old, and that every single shortcoming of their own culture is magically explained away as being a plot by either the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE or by the West (who before 911 largely ignored them and didn't CARE what Muslims did) is good enough for me to call them uncivilized.

And in what way can you term Muslim countries "developing"? The first thing they did when they took over the abandoned Israeli land was to smash greenhouses that had been producing food, because they were once owned by the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE. A developing culture would have at least stopped to use the resources they had inherited, rather than being so consumed by hate that they destroyed everything that might be useful.

In America, we are only 230 years or so old. Our POOR eat well and have color TV's, for what that is worth. We EAT for ENTERTAINMENT, for heaven's sake! We walked on the moon twenty YEARS ago, have eradicated most disease, and feed the world, although the world rarely thanks us. We can do this because we don't waste our time killing each other over what God wants us to eat for breakfast. The Japanese killed my uncle in WWII, and today we buy electronics from them, and I don't really care. The English near enslaved my ancestors, the Irish, but I don't go out and kill them for "honor". We live in the here and now, embrace new science, and go on with our lives. My God does not care if I sing popular songs, and I will never be order by a holy man to let my child blow up infidels. That is civilized enough for me.

America has generally promoted the idea that if you don't come gunning for us, we will leave you alone. But when we have had to, we have changed the world. We have save everybody else from the Nazis, from the Communists, and probably down the timeline, we will have to save it from the mouth-frothing Imams and Mullahs who want my people enslaved, my culture dead, and any machine more complicated than an inclined plane eradicated. Despite the whailings of malcontents, America has stayed within 50 states, and although we have gone to war to save other and protect ourselves, we "own" no new territory outside of that. We could have easily taken over Kuwait, or Iraq as our personal oil well, but have not...and have done all we can, pouring billions into building schools and public works like clean water so that a bunch of Muslim murderers could blow them up, along with their own "brother Muslims", and as long as "infidels" were killed, those Muslims had no problem killing their own people.

So don't go lecturing me on "civilized" you barbarian-by -association. Stop listening to violent "holy men", stop killing your daughters for "honor", stop beating your wives for fun, stop proclaiming that you are so superior that slavery of MY people is fine, stop blowing up your neighbors, stop maintaining the pathetic 2-faced Arab attitude that it is OK to lie to me (as long as it is done For Allah), and then, MAYBE, I will respect the thing you call civilization. If you didn't have the oil, we could ignore you like we did in the past. But on 911 your paranoia and delusions of your own importance caused some of your kind to kill 3000 innocent people, some of whom got to choose between burning to death and death by impact a thousand feet down, and then the civilized world woke up to what you are really about. And then you have the gall to blame it on US, or the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE, or say "well, they weren't really Muslims." Sorry pal. Go peddle your paranoia back home where they will believe it.

23 posted on 08/22/2008 6:15:07 AM PDT by 50sDad (OBAMA: In your heart you know he's Wright.)
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To: afzalrizvi
Wasn't there a Saudi man who tore out his daughters tongue then burnt her alive in a civilized manner because she converted to Christianity?

So go blow it out your smokestack.

24 posted on 08/22/2008 6:15:22 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Any day above ground is a good day.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; afzalrizvi
Muslims are not uncivilized because of education. They are uncivilized because they still adhere to 7th century teachings where women are treated as property,

It should be noted that Judaism and Christianity never taught the attitudes toward women that are taught in Islam. Even in the 7th Century our priests and rabbis were telling our men to honor their wives and the priests were telling them to love their wive the way Christ loved the church.

25 posted on 08/22/2008 6:16:50 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (*******It's not conservative to accept an inept Commander-in-Chief in a time of war. Back Mac.******)
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To: afzalrizvi; Sidebar Moderator; Admin Moderator; Lead Moderator
Can the Viking Kitties have some Friday Silliness Play Time today?


26 posted on 08/22/2008 6:20:38 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (A vote for any Democrat from BO on down the ticket is a vote for $10 a gallon gas.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

I can’t believe that you have one of those loaded and charged and just sitting around on the floor. Talk about irresponsible.


27 posted on 08/22/2008 6:21:06 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: afzalrizvi
What is the most striking irony of the western world is that despite its having much achievements in science, education and research, it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity.

This is the only thing you said that is true. Humans are moral creatures. We require context above the black and white blandness of fact in order to decide on the value of things.

Islam will slide a knife across your throat while looking you in the eye. They believe in 'submission' to Allah enough to kill you for it. In context, your death is justified, and Islam's conquest is moral.

The West, in large parts, has become unwilling to kill for what it believes in. This means, in a strictly human context, we have lost our moral authority. No matter how sophisticated the human behind the computer, he'll never outgrow the animal within. That animal instinctively understands one thing; anyone who won't kill for what he believes or die for what he believes, doesn't believe in anything worth listening to.

That wisdom on the house, alzalrizvi. Keep the change.

28 posted on 08/22/2008 6:22:25 AM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate" Ibn Warraq)
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29 posted on 08/22/2008 6:24:44 AM PDT by andyandval
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To: aruanan
here kitty ..kitty ...kitty....

ZOT! ta-ta troll

30 posted on 08/22/2008 6:25:25 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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31 posted on 08/22/2008 6:26:51 AM PDT by andyandval
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To: afzalrizvi

Could the problems of the Muslim world be traced to the fact that Islam was founded by an illiterate bandit chief?


32 posted on 08/22/2008 6:27:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: afzalrizvi

Muslims are cynophobic and that's all we need to know about them.

33 posted on 08/22/2008 6:28:40 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: afzalrizvi

IBTZ


34 posted on 08/22/2008 6:29:10 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Oh yeah, the hajis would just love it when my Soldiers would bring our explosive-sniffing dogs through their shacks--I mean, houses. Always put a smile on my face...
35 posted on 08/22/2008 6:31:33 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (How 'bout a magic trick? I'm gonna make this pencil disappear...Ta-dah!)
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To: afzalrizvi; darkwing104; dynachrome

IBTZ!!


36 posted on 08/22/2008 6:38:24 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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37 posted on 08/22/2008 6:39:03 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I doubled the pressure in my Obamas, now my fuel gauge runs backwards and my tank is overflowing!)
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To: afzalrizvi
Factaully, the Muslim world lacks in education, science, research and developement.

An understametent if I ever heard one.

Yet to say that Muslims are more uncivilized than those pepole living in the west is a wrong hypothesis.

No, it's a correct one.

What is the most striking irony of the western world is that despite its having much achievements in science, education and research, it is lacking in filling that moral profile or standard that is required by the dictates of humanity.

Moral profile? You mean it's morals to behead people on video, to burn them and drag their charred corpses through the streets, it's moral to celebrate when some muslims fly planes into buildings to kill people with horrible deaths?

And you signed up today to post this drivel?

Whatsamatter. Slow day at DU? Time for a suicide run to keep it lively?

38 posted on 08/22/2008 6:43:26 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Malacoda

Yeah, but it’s fun when the mods let us play with the troll first. I like it when they don’t zot too quickly.


39 posted on 08/22/2008 6:44:48 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: cripplecreek

That does it - now there will be a fatwa issued against every keyboard user in the world. ;)


40 posted on 08/22/2008 6:45:12 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: afzalrizvi
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Hey, Osama, get a better writer!

IBZT

41 posted on 08/22/2008 6:46:49 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: knighthawk

Do you do comic relief for your ping list?


42 posted on 08/22/2008 6:47:20 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Capitalist precultural theory and subsemantic dialectic theory

Thomas Z. B. Cameron
Department of Gender Politics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Catherine Parry
Department of Politics, Stanford University

1. Expressions of dialectic

In the works of Pynchon, a predominant concept is the concept of dialectic reality. Thus, Drucker[1] suggests that we have to choose between Sartreist existentialism and subtextual libertarianism.

Any number of narratives concerning the collapse, and thus the paradigm, of cultural narrativity may be revealed. It could be said that the subject is contextualised into a that includes art as a reality.

Baudrillard uses the term ‘pretextual conceptualist theory’ to denote the role of the observer as participant. Thus, the premise of subsemantic dialectic theory states that truth may be used to oppress the underprivileged.

2. The subcapitalist paradigm of consensus and dialectic discourse

The primary theme of the works of Spelling is a self-supporting paradox. Marx promotes the use of dialectic discourse to attack class. Therefore, the subject is interpolated into a that includes language as a reality.

If one examines dialectic discourse, one is faced with a choice: either reject posttextual appropriation or conclude that academe is capable of truth. In Charmed, Spelling examines capitalist precultural theory; in Melrose Place, however, he deconstructs structuralist nihilism. However, the characteristic theme of Dietrich’s[2] critique of capitalist precultural theory is the common ground between sexual identity and art.

Debord suggests the use of neodialectic capitalist theory to deconstruct hierarchy. It could be said that the masculine/feminine distinction intrinsic to Spelling’s The Heights emerges again in Beverly Hills 90210.

The main theme of the works of Spelling is the role of the writer as participant. Therefore, the subject is contextualised into a that includes sexuality as a totality.

Lacan’s model of capitalist precultural theory suggests that consciousness is part of the meaninglessness of language. However, several theories concerning dialectic discourse exist.


1. Drucker, W. ed. (1982) The Futility of Reality: Capitalist precultural theory in the works of Spelling. Loompanics

2. Dietrich, T. U. O. (1995) Subsemantic dialectic theory in the works of Gibson. Yale University Press




Source

43 posted on 08/22/2008 6:47:22 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Global Warming Heretic -- http://agw-heretic.blogspot.com)
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To: afzalrizvi

FWIW, being educated and being civilized are not the same thing.


44 posted on 08/22/2008 6:48:34 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: afzalrizvi
Factaully, the Muslim world lacks in education, science, research and developement.Yet to say that Muslims are more uncivilized than those pepole living in the west is a wrong hypothesis.

I do not consider the muslim world uncivilized because it lacks education, science research and development. I consider it uncivilized because of its historical and ongoing barbarism, relegation of women to second (or third) class status, TOTAL intolerance of other religions as well as many other examples too numerous to list. These originate in the Koran through its teachings of conversion by the sword, erradication of the 'infidels' and its endorsement of other inherently uncivilized practices. It is impossible for a people to attain civility if the very foundation of their religion is, at its core, uncivilized.

45 posted on 08/22/2008 6:50:15 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: 50sDad

Well Said!


46 posted on 08/22/2008 6:50:31 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: afzalrizvi
A man who uses the computer may be difined as a modern man but he should/may not be defined as civilized, simply because to become a civilized man it is highly important that the conduct/deportment/ behavior/ thought of that man should be in accordance with the norms/moores set by the society.

Then I can presume that you agree that the Crusades were the appropriate response of the civilized world.

47 posted on 08/22/2008 6:51:44 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ConservaTexan

.....TOTAL intolerance of other religions .....

Freepers will get mad at you for getting on their case


48 posted on 08/22/2008 6:54:37 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: afzalrizvi; 4mycountry; TheBigB; VRWCmember; Zavien Doombringer; jriemer; mhking; glock rocks; ...

sniff !!


49 posted on 08/22/2008 7:37:48 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

IBTZ !!!!


50 posted on 08/22/2008 7:38:46 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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