Posted on 10/07/2008 6:29:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee
The new rumor is that English prof Ayers ghost-wrote Obama’s books. There is some early forensic/style evidence pointing strongly in this direction. If this can be nailed down by comparing other Ayers work to Obama’s (?) books, Obama is finished.
But the forensic work has to be done super fast to have any effect on the election.
Obama was noted for NOT writing, neither as editor of the Harvard law review, nor as a lecturer on con-law. The man just didn't write, in positions where most folks write like crazy.
Then he pops out with two fantastically well written books that become best sellers? And this has nothing to do with his freindship with political mentor and English prof Bill Ayers?
The forensic work has to be done super fast to have any effect on the election.
I already saw a thread where nearly exact phrases were used in an unpublished but available online Ayers work, and Dreams From My Father. Seems that Ayers had been a merchant seaman for a short while, and the nearly exact same sea and sky descriptions are in both his and "Obama's" works, even though "Obama's" books don't deal with seafaring.
Smoke, meet fire. These sea and sky descriptions jumped out on a first read, but actual forensic analysis could NAIL THIS DOWN. Like a fingerprint or DNA match.
If Ayers is Obama's ghost-writer, we need to prove this in a very short time.
I'm trying to stir up this rapid research here on Free Republic. Remember Dan Rather and Memogate, and the forensic analysis that was done in a matter of hours?
WE need an effort like that now.
"[iThenticate CEO Jon] Barrie: "Well, this is what happened. The Post came to us originally and they were doing a story about how Oprah Winfrey was using our technology to screen things for her show. And the Post wanted to see an example of how our technology worked. So they took a 2005 speech from Hillary Clinton and ran it through our service. And right off the bat, we caught the speechwriter for Hillary Clinton plagiarizing. And the journalist from the Post said what else can we run through your service?...."
I do believe it was written by someone else, probably Ayers. But anyone who testifies to it would be listed as “smearing” Obama.
I am getting cynical this election. The sway Obama has over people makes me sick.
Please Lord, let this be true.
Folks, this could swing the election.
It should be possible to prove that Ayers was Obama’s ghost-writer.
It's as dead-bang provable as Dan Rather's fake memo, that was written on a modern computer and not a 1960s typewriter.
Almost like a certain 20th century German Chancellor.
How did he get a book deal in the first place?
I read he received an advance before the book was even written. It sounds strang considering he never wrote anything prior.
the kool aid drinkers STILL believe Dan Rather’s version of the story about Bush AWOL was correct even if his documents weren’t
Good luck with that forensics thing- they still havent figured out who really wrote the Jon Benet Ramsey ransom note
Freep it like Dan Rather, baby!
We are in real trouble. The content of a book where he admits to being a naval gazing race-centered druggie is not a problem for his campaign. But if someone else helped him wordsmith it, that’s a problem? I don’t think so.
Hang in there! We are all with you.
This is so doable.
And you don’t need any writings of Obama to do it.
All you need is Ayers.
When I studied Medieval literature, a lot of scholarship was devoted authorship. A lot of literature did not have an identified author, so the question you would ask: Is the person who wrote Sir Gawain and the Green Knight the same person who wrote another poetic work. You did it by comparing the two, and concluding yes, they are written by the same person or no, they are not.
But you do NOT need anything that Obama has written.
It’s a problem is the ghostwriter is Ayers.
He could not longer deny an alliance.
An important element would be time-frame. For both books, the dates they went to the publisher would be significant. What were each of the men engaged in 9-12 months prior to the date the manuscripts were submitted. Did it coincide with low demands on Ayers time? Who did the editors work with?
It ties them together in a long-term secret collaboration, and proves he's a damned liar of the highest order.
Thanks!
I’m glad to see this is already in progress elsewhere! Whew!
(Now I can get out the door and begin my day.)
Thanks Freepers, you are the best! Carry on!
“But if someone else helped him wordsmith it, that’s a problem? I don’t think so.”
Oh yes it is buddy. You are wrong.
We’re talking about Bill Ayers.
1. Follow the money since the Ghost Writer was paid.
2. Ask point blank if Ayers had any involvement in the book.
it would be easy to compare bill ayer’s syntax in his books with obama’s.
Oh yes it is buddy. You are wrong.
We’re talking about Bill Ayers.
October Surprise?
I can hear Obama now; “I, like many of my colleagues, used a ghost writer in working with my publishing company. I had no idea they would use my neighbor that I sometimes see driving on my road to write about the most intimate details of my life. I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. I had no idea. (someone wacks him upside the head) Oh, I mean it is just a coincedence”.
The issue is not that Obama didn’t write it. It’s that Ayers, the man who Obama described simply as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood whom I don’t know well” wrote it. Oh, by the way, the dude is an unrepentant domestic bombing terrorist with bad aim who, by his own admission, wishes he could have done more. The only way he escaped prison time was the FBI used an unwarranted wire tap.
Read the links at #8, WND is on the case.
hope so!
Weren’t the unibomber or Charles Manson available? Maybe they’ll get the next sequal.
They said that there is no record of Obama writing anything in college or any where else.
They suspected that Obama had some help who is not getting credit because there is no way you start writing books of that quality. Everyone starts out writing with some duds.
This theory was discussed previously on this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2085368/posts
To put it mildly, Cashill’s assertion rests upon an extremely flimsy basis which in the end is nothing more than unsupported speculation.
He has plucked two sentences out of two books, one over 300 pages, the other over 400 pages. They are similar in sentence structure, but so what? All it proves is that they are both in English.
If there is some legitimate forensic comparison to be made then by all means let somebody do it. Cashill’s unsupported speculations and innuendo are not it.
The rest of us already knew the Messiah was a lying arsehole and wouldn't vote for him even if we had a gun to our heads...
NIce to see you,,I was on the original thread that got you famous!!!
The only relevance this might be is to tie Obama more closely to a man he insists is just a neighbor.
what data can you provide?
I am not going to chase rabbit trails, so a challenge on this:
Show FIRST that the writing styles of “Dreams ...” and “Audacity of Hope” are different enough that they WERENT written by the same person.
If that’s the case, then BINGO, the first bio had a ghostwriter.
Obama dumped one publisher for another to put out Audacity of Hope.
it’s not just that someone else wrote it, it is WHO wrote it- the domestic terrorist that he claims to have only a passing friendship with
this makes it conspiracy to promote Obama starting years ago, and who ELSE is involved besides the domestic terrorist Ayers?
ACORN needs a McCarthy style investigation, and I am NOT joking.
“It ties them together in a long-term secret collaboration, and proves he’s a damned liar of the highest order. “
We already know that fact without this, as Ayers and Obama spent $100 million together on the Annenberg challenge grant. Youdont just get to be a ‘casual acquaintance’ of someone you spend $100 million with.
“To put it mildly, Cashill’s assertion rests upon an extremely flimsy basis which in the end is nothing more than unsupported speculation.
He has plucked two sentences out of two books, one over 300 pages, the other over 400 pages. They are similar in sentence structure, but so what? All it proves is that they are both in English.
If there is some legitimate forensic comparison to be made then by all means let somebody do it. Cashill’s unsupported speculations and innuendo are not it.”
The Buckhead speaketh!
Scottish rule: Assertion is not proven.
“Please Lord, let this be true”
It’s almost certainly true, but what of it? Very few will care.
““To put it mildly, Cashill’s assertion rests upon an extremely flimsy basis which in the end is nothing more than unsupported speculation.”
It’s certainly not proven, but personally I wouldn’t call it flimsy. I find it convincing.
It's just one more arrow in the quiver to use over the next month. A few votes here and there may count for a lot.
I'm wearing my optimistic pants today. 8^)
Remember Slick admitting he puffed but didn't inhale? That satisfied the peons.
We have sunk to "He!! yeah I was a druggie"
and most importantly, he will have exposed himself (once again) as the pathological liar that he is.
In the three articles on the subject Cashill actually compares only two sentences taken from these two books.
The rest is just pure, unadulterated speculation.
A thirty-odd word sample from a 300 page book compared to a thirty-odd word sample from a 464 page book is not enough to prove anything at all, except that the proponent of the assertion makes reckless and unsupported allegations.
Get a grip.
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website
you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name.
The “alert” public is ALREADY aware of:
- Rev. Wright's lunacy as Obama’s revered preacher...
- Obama’s membership in a “church” of Black Liberation Theology. Which is OPENLY black racist and preaches violence.
- Father Flager the white clown, preaching as a black racist.
- Obama’s Communist mentors
- Obama’s KNOWN Islamist mentors and supporters
- Ayers - his background and his flag stomping on 9/11.
- Obama is a product of Chicago's corrupt political machine
- Obama’s refusal to release his undergraduate university records.
- Obama’s refusal to release his Harvard records.
- Obama’s refusal to release the names of ALL his donors.
- Obama’s refusal to release his MEDICAL records.
- The change in Obama’s primary persona, versus his current persona.
- Obama’s promises that are not specific or affordable.
- Obama’s hands covered in the red ink of Sub Prime loans as a tool to accomplish HIS GOALS of delivering to HIS CONSTITUENTS a home with YOUR MONEY.
- Obama’s votes to kill babies who SURVIVE abortion.
- Obama’s votes for EVERY Tax Increase and against EVERY tax reduction.
- Obama’s unexplained trip to Pakistan as a student - and as yet no word on WHICH passport he used.
- Obama’s nonexistent record of accomplishing ANYTHING except his own career enhancements with YOUR money and the money of our enemies.
- The suspicion Obama remains a closet Muslim.
- The suspicion Obama my not be a natural born citizen.
- Etc, etc, etc. etc.........
I sincerely doubt that adding to the list the fact that Obama’s books were ghostwritten by some Communist bomb thrower would make any difference....
The voting public is too damned ignorant to care...
Think of the 30’s in Germany -— and you'll see America of 2008.
The fools see Obama as their “messiah”...to lead them out of the morass they've made of their lives - and Obama has come to tell them it “the White man's fault”....”it's the rich white man's fault”.....soon he will add it's “the Jew's fault” and then we will KNOW the real Obama...
In reality, the author of those books is as unimportant or significant to the masses as who was Hitler's tailor — even if it was revealed the skilled tailor was a Jew.
Obama is an UNKNOWN entity, a sock puppet with someone hand up his ass controlling things.....who is as yet unidentified.
One more nail in Obama's coffin will not prevent their "messiah" from arising from the dead.... They believe!
Jack Cashill has been working on this for some time.
I really miss him on the air in Kansas City.
Mark
Well I would hate for us to use IThenticate as they ripped Ann Coulter. We could easily order a review, but how long would it take is the problem. Here are some other ideas.
# MOSS - a Measure Of Software Similarity plagiarism tool
# iThenticate - commercial tool with good looking reports
# Writing sample analyzer - online tool
# Subversion (SVN) - version control server, successor to CVS
# TortiseSVN - Windows client for Subversion
# Eve2 - inexpensive ($29.99) plagiarism software tool.
Also this happened with the book “Primary Colors”
Unmasking of anonymous
Several people, including former Clinton speechwriter David Kusnet and, later, Vassar professor Donald Foster correctly identified Klein as the novel’s author, based on a literary analysis of the book and Klein’s previous writing. Klein denied authoring the book and publicly condemned Foster.[2][3] Klein denied authorship again in Newsweek, speculating that another writer wrote it. Washington Post Style editor David von Drehle, in an interview, asked Klein if he was willing to stake his journalistic credibility on his denial, to which Klein agreed.[4]
Indeed, in "Dreams," it is on the subject of black rage that the author writes most eloquently. Phrases like "full of inarticulate resentments," "knotted, howling assertion of self," "unruly maleness," "unadorned insistence on respect" and "withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage" lace the book.
In "Fugitive Days," "rage" rules and in high style as well. Ayers tells of how his "rage got started" and how it evolved into an "uncontrollable rage – fierce frenzy of fire and lava."
Hmmm.
Obama's descriptive, poetic writing in "Dreams" should be on example SOMEWHERE else, a law review article, a high school essay, ANYWHERE?
Or can he not write at all?
1. I propose we run it through a cheap automated program to see if the project merits more effort and money. Appoint a freeper to get this done ASAP.
2. If it does then have some hard leftist atheis.. (I mean well respected by the media, some professional who focuses his work in this area. For example, Donald Foster.
See:
Klein appeared on television again to announce that he was indeed the author of Primary Colors. Literary sleuth Don Foster, who had found himself the butt of ridicule after Klein’s denial, had been vindicated.
In April, the TV news magazine Dateline interviewed Professor Foster, who explained to reporter John Hockenberry the methods he had used to trace an anonymously written work to Joe Klein. He explained that he first did a textual analysis of Primary Colors to identify words, phrases, and expressions that were repeatedly used and to look for “quirky expressions” and peculiarities of punctuation. Afterwards, he simply analyzed writing samples until he located a consistent usage of the same “telltale” signs of authorship. Sample after sample was rejected until finally he happened onto the writings of Joe Klein and found what he had been looking for. The literary quirks and features that Foster had isolated in Primary Colors occurred with such frequency in Klein’s articles that despite Klein’s initial denial, Foster knew he was Anonymous.
I called Professor Don Foster, of “Primary Colors” fame. He outed Joe Klein. He doesn’t want to do it. We also discussed various reasons for not doing it, not much time, no significant evidence of this allegation, and he usually works on court cases. Also, other problems such as: need pure writing from Ayers, w/o corrections and maybe original manuscripts of Obama’s “memoirs”, and finally maybe its not such a good use of resources as he may not be able to say definitively that it was ghost written.
So that’s one no, only a few more till we get to a yes.
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