Posted on 11/12/2008 9:22:21 AM PST by MHGinTN
When someone implies that you’re crazy to continue to scrutinize the Obama Certifcate Of Live Birth issue, bring up the following evidence of Obama's and the Democrat Party's willingness to set aside the Constitution for their own empowerment.
While an Illinois legislator, Barack Obama worked on four occasions to cancel the Constitutional human rights of newly born alive human beings. He did this as a way to empower himself with the most radical left of the Democrat party. His method was to argue that 'if the Constitutional rights of newly born alive children were recognized then such would erode the power of Roe v Wade'!
With the current political campaign, Barack Obama and the Democrat Party are fighting tooth and nail to avoid submitting for We The People to inspect, the very background material which is required when applying for a job with a corporation, much less a top security position: the college records, the birth certificate, the working history, medical history, etc.
To top it all off, the way Barack Obama and the Democrat Party are dragging out this controversy over his eligibility, they are aligning the circumstances in such a way as to build up an extortion scenario, where the growing threat of violence and mayhem will be implicit in urging that We The People set aside the Constitutional requirements for someone to be running for President much less take the oath of office legitimately!
The way this man and his army of attorneys are handling this issue is a strong indication as to how he will handle any issue where the Constitution might be in opposition to what he wants to do, what powers he wants to assume, what strategic moves he wants to make! It is for that reason that We The People must, YES MUST, demand that this sneaky man and his political party be made to follow the Constitution regardless of the riots his sycophants may threaten and/or perpetrate.
Barack Hussein Obama (if that is in fact his real name) is a sneaky thuggish. He will ignore any law which is an inconvenience to his empowerment, just like he worked to cancel the Constitutional Rights of the most vulnerable newly born alive infants in Illinois, protecting the killing method of neglect as a way to slaughter newly born alive children.
Let me iterate that more succinctly: Barack Obama worked to cancel Constitutional Rights of newly born children as a means to empower himself (and perhaps protect the industry of fetal tissue harvesting which may have been a campaign contributor to him). He is right now working to cancel the Constitutional requirements for becoming President, using the implicit threat of violence --a threat which grows more imminent with every passing day he ignores the right of We The People to know the facts on him, and he is orchestrating that growing threat as the/a damned thug that he is-- in his campaign to have himself installed as president despite the illegitimacy of his election. He has also sent his minions to the media and Internet, to squelch a rising din over the issue, since the more aware the people are of this possible illegitimacy the less empowering are threats over rejection of him for illegitimacy.
If Barack Hussein Obama will work to cancel the rights of the most vulnerable in order to empower himself and/or his special interests, and Barack Obama will send out an army of attorneys to stonewall the vetting of him on eligibility issues, what is to stop such a thug from doing anything he wants with a democrat controlled Congress behind his empowerment? Elections have consequences. As we see clearly from his past actions, the Constitution is nothing more than a weak contract Obama ignores when it suits him to do so.
The US is about to have a Marxist Foreigner as POTUS and it appears no official has the guts to publicly ask for his records.
PING
And Indonesia? As well to his school break trip to Pakistan? What passport could he have used for that?
At any rate, where is the record of his travels on his U.S. Passport (which i’m sure his present one is probably new and wouldn’t have that info).
Understand your comments. But I have a different view of the situation. There appear to be two items at work here whose application I do not agree with; Standing, and Burden of Proof.
With regards to the first, Standing; several courts are dismissing cases demanding Obama prove eligibility based on lack of plaintiffs' standing. This outrageous! Each and every citizen has standing to demand through the courts that a candidate prove his eligibility for elected office. For any court to rule otherwise is a travesty!
And for the courts to suggest that The People must go through Congress or the Secretaries of the Several States to force production of proof of eligibility smacks of obstruction of justice. Remember, these are the same courts which do not hesitate to manufacture "rights" out of whole cloth. So far the courts are only manufacturing the "right" for Obama to be an illegal alien!
Regarding the second item; Burden of Proof; quite simply, burden of proof is always on the candidate...for any position. For the courts and Congress to suggest otherwise is to require The People to prove a negative. And this is preposterous! The Burden of Proof regarding citizenship has always been on Obama. And he has never met it.
Yes, Congress and the courts need to become acquainted with "the fear of the pitchfork". And they need to be forcefully reminded that they do not have the authority to withhold Obama's Constitutional qualifications. By the Tenth Amendment it is a right reserved to The People to demand to see a Presidential candidate's qualifications.
We, The People have not given the Congress, the Judiciary, nor the Several States the power to withhold this information! We have reserved it to ourselves as an individual right. Then again, I'm still thinking of the United States as a Constitutional Republic.
Silly me!
This is becoming The Issue That Won’t Go Away.
Your post is the substance of the letter I’m writing this evening, to be mailed to Justice Thomas at SCOTUS tomorrow morning. Thank you for stating the two issues so succinctly! If this is a Constitutional Republic still, then these people work for me and 299,000,000 other sovereigns of the Republic. We ought have the right to assurance that this Chicago thug is at least eligible to run for the office.
Live Free or Die as one slogan goes, looked it up for New Hampshire of all places; in ways, I’d almost live under some Totalitarian regimes of the past rather than some of this rubbish going on now in this country. I guess that is not a good attitude to have.
bttt
Well, for now—because the Marxist messiah has not been sworn in yet—you can have any damned attitude you want to have. After January 2009 that may no longer attend.
ping
Thus speaks a real American! Well said!!
I agree with most of whay you say, save the following. I too believe that considering the facts available, is PROBABLY an illegal alien. He therefore cannot commit treason. Rather he is a foreign enemy, one to be fought against and expelled from our nation like an invading army or the plague.
Good point!
Following your logic; given Obama is an illegal alien and that he conspired to defraud the United States of American by subverting the Constitution, he would be tried under the laws of the United States. But I couldn't even begin to guess at the charge or punishment!
But I can smile ;-)
“Standing, and Burden of Proof.”
Thank you for your comments. As we try to find the best thinking, let me put a finer point on my view.
A single Senator and Representative on Jan 6 can challenge O’s eligibility. He and his handlers have thought this through and we can expect he will present documentation that tends to qualify him. In effect he will shift the burden back to the Republicans to disprove the authenticity of that documentation. Developing such proof could require more time than is available between Jan 6 and Jan 20, in which event he is sworn in and the matter becomes even more political. We have already seen a President screw a young woman out of her day in court, and walk.
As I mentioned earlier, it seems far better to present a formal objection on Jan 6 that is supported by convincing evidence of his ineligibility in order to forestall the swearing in.
One may have standing but any claim has to be timely brought. It is certainly too late to contest his place in the primary election, and any legal action prior to Dec 15 or Jan 6 may well be premature.
It seems relevant here that we did not elect O, we elected electors.
Congressman Billybob:
Many Freepers are not about to sit by and forfeit our US Constitution. Some of us plan to visit the local offices of our Republican politicians and voice our concerns over Obama’s eligibility to serve as President.
Of course, it would be even more effective if we each presented a letter at that time. The letter would make a polite demand that the Republicans coordinate at the federal level and take every available action on or before January 6 to challenge Obama’s eligibility.
Could I impose on you to please take a moment and share your thoughts with us as to the most effective points we could include in our letters.
Thank you!
Concur with the complete assessment in your Post #53. However, I believe our elected officials are gutless and the courts corrupt. In other words, the system will not function properly unless forced.
In this case, I contend that we should have our cake and eat it too. Citizens should assert their standing with multiple legal actions, and the Senator & Representative file their objections as you proposed.
Those legitimate demands would force activity by the Legislative and Judicial branches plus the Electoral College. A number of the actions would likely suck in the Several States. Ultimately, some of the legal actions would survive the gauntlet to the Supreme Court. And the Electors would not be idle.
We should defend the Constitution with more than one arrow in our quiver. Multiple legal actions will help fill the quiver of freedom.
“Citizens should assert their standing with multiple legal actions, and the Senator & Representative file their objections as you proposed.”
Agreed.
Unfortunately, such suits at the moment may be patently ineffective. Earlier, I proposed bringing an action in each state in an attempt a) to at the least give notice to the electors in each state that there was a serious question about O’s eligibility and b) optimally, to find a court(s) that would order O to demonstrate his eligibility.
However, a reliable source advised such suits were beyond the time for contesting O’s filing in the primary election and thus, too late.
Unless an attorney familiar with constitutional law can suggest a more effective plan - I speculate there is an opportunity during the Dec 15 - Jan 5 period - it appears we are now left with the Jan 6 option.
Consider the reaction when McCain did not immediately and forcefully challenge the Palin critics. Conservative Republicans new to the party should realize if they do not take effective action in this regard that their political party will be seriously damaged.
In fact, they had better get a game plan together if we are to remain a nation of laws. That is why I propose Freepers and all other alert Americans visit the local offices of their federal Republican politicians, with a letter in hand, to effectively register our concerns.
“Citizens should assert their standing with multiple legal actions, and the Senator & Representative file their objections as you proposed.”
Agreed.
Unfortunately, such suits at the moment may be patently ineffective. Earlier, I proposed bringing an action in each state in an attempt a) to at the least give notice to the electors in each state that there was a serious question about O’s eligibility and b) optimally, to find a court(s) that would order O to demonstrate his eligibility.
However, a reliable source advised such suits were beyond the time for contesting O’s filing in the primary election and thus, too late.
Unless an attorney familiar with constitutional law can suggest a more effective plan - I speculate there is an opportunity during the Dec 15 - Jan 5 period - it appears we are now left with the Jan 6 option.
Consider the reaction when McCain did not immediately and forcefully challenge the Palin critics. Conservative Republicans new to the party should realize if they do not take effective action in this regard that their political party will be seriously damaged.
In fact, they had better get a game plan together if we are to remain a nation of laws. That is why I propose Freepers and all other alert Americans visit the local offices of their federal Republican politicians, with a letter in hand, to effectively register our concerns.
This entire election cycle has seen constant advice as to why such suits couldn't be filed, and courts' contortions to justify dismissing/denying suits which were filed. All has had the same stunning effect; using the legal system to exempt Obama from obeying the highest law of the land, the Constitution!
Unless an attorney familiar with constitutional law can suggest a more effective plan - I speculate there is an opportunity during the Dec 15 - Jan 5 period - it appears we are now left with the Jan 6 option.
You may be right. Again, I advocate action on all fronts simply because every piece of conventional advice has been defeatist. We need only succeed with one of those actions to force Obama's compliance with the Constitution.
As to which action will be successful, I have no idea. It seems to be a crap shoot with every institution hiding from its Constitutional responsibility. However, Docket for US Supreme Court Case No. 08A407, Donofrio v. Wells appears to be on the verge of breaking through all obstructions and actually being heard by SCOTUS. One of the threads discussing this can be viewed here; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2131423/posts .
If this case is actually heard by SCOTUS, it should be a fantastic opportunity for those who still believe in the Constitution to file "Friend of the Court" briefs. Comments from any Freepers versed in Constitutional Law would really help here.
That's all this tired brain can come up with. We are now at the point where our Republic will turn into a Tyranny. And the last thing standing in the way of the Tyrant-designate is a scrap of paper called the Constitution.
Thank you, DakotaGator.
Pinging to a good discussion about birth certificates and the Constitution.
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