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Rare fragment of early copy of Gospel goes on sale
Reuters ^ | 28 Nov 2008 | Mike Collett-White

Posted on 11/28/2008 5:12:08 PM PST by BGHater

An unusually large fragment from possibly the oldest copy of part of the Gospel of John will go on sale next month, when the torn piece of papyrus with Greek writing is expected to fetch up to 300,000 pounds ($460,000).

The fragment is believed to date to 200 AD, less than 170 years after the crucifixion of Christ, when Christianity was still illegal and around 100 years after experts believe the original Gospel was first written.

"This is either the first or the second oldest copy of this part of the text of the Gospel of John," Sotheby's specialist Timothy Bolton told Reuters as he held the document displayed between two sheets of clear plastic.

"It is one of the finest and most celebrated of Gospel fragments, as there are very few pieces of this spectacular quality."

The appearance of page number 74 in one corner shows the leaf came from a relatively large volume of the whole Gospel, he explained, and adds to the rarity of the piece.

Its Greek text is an account of Jesus preaching in the temple, where people challenge his right to give evidence on his own behalf. It includes the cryptic and prophetic words: "Whither I go, ye cannot come."

The fragment was discovered in 1922 by British archaeologists Bernard Grenfell and Arthur Hunt at the site of the important early Christian community at Oxyrhynchus, about 120 miles (193 km) from Cairo. It is believed to have been written in Alexandria.

Most finds from the site ended up in the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford and the British Museum, although some pieces, including the fragment, were sent to seminaries and colleges.

(Excerpt) Read more at africa.reuters.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: auction; bible; godsgravesglyphs; gospel; john

GOSPEL OF JOHN, IN GREEK, LARGE FRAGMENT FROM A MANUSCRIPT CODEX ON PAPYRUS

1 posted on 11/28/2008 5:12:09 PM PST by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

You gonna make a bid?


2 posted on 11/28/2008 5:12:31 PM PST by BGHater (The GOP, the new DNC.)
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To: BGHater

Nice penmanship!


3 posted on 11/28/2008 5:14:07 PM PST by kewlhandluke2
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To: BGHater

My understanding is there’s an original of the Gospel of John dating from AD70 .....


4 posted on 11/28/2008 5:15:59 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: BGHater
when Christianity was still illegal

Soon to be so again.

5 posted on 11/28/2008 5:17:20 PM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin - Everything that is Sweetness and Light! WE STAND WITH HER!)
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To: BGHater

Looks in better shape than the totally unreadable computer disks and CDs with the same text will be in 2,000 years.


6 posted on 11/28/2008 5:17:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: BGHater

I am selling this ancient manuscript for only half as much.

7 posted on 11/28/2008 5:24:45 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: BGHater; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

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Thanks BGHater. In answer, yes, I'll bid on it, assuming I fall ass-backwards into a Krameresque pile of money. :')

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8 posted on 11/28/2008 5:25:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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>>>>>”Whither I go, ye cannot come.” <<<<<

Can’t the Greek be translated into something other than Middle English?

Like.....

“Wherever I go, you can’t come.”


9 posted on 11/28/2008 5:38:43 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: angkor

Or “yo, you ain’t going nohow!”


10 posted on 11/28/2008 5:40:14 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Where meh goed, ya’ll can’t come.


11 posted on 11/28/2008 5:47:57 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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To: FastCoyote
I am selling this ancient manuscript for only half as much.

I'm half interested. Has it ever been translated?

12 posted on 11/28/2008 6:19:38 PM PST by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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I'll bid on it, assuming I fall ass-backwards into a Krameresque pile of money.

You mean they started the auction BEFORE those nice people in Nigeria have sent me my £1,500,000 winnings in the UK Online Random Drawing Email Lottery that I didn't even remeber entering?!?!?

The money should be deposited into my account any day now. Two weeks ago, I cashed the $50,000 cashiers check and wired them the $35,000 over-payment to cover the fees of transferring my winnings.

Will the auctioneers take an IOU drawn on the Right Bank of The Niger?

13 posted on 11/28/2008 6:21:36 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: Revolting cat!; angkor

Where I is, you ain’t!


14 posted on 11/28/2008 6:25:59 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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>>>>Where I is, you ain’t!<<<<<

LOL


15 posted on 11/28/2008 6:27:27 PM PST by angkor (Conservatism is not a religious movement.)
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Just troubleshooting the new ping message. I dropped Mirabilis at last, having waited three years or so for updates to resume, added NG and Discover, and replaced the podcasts with an overdue link to the Archaeology Channel.
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16 posted on 11/28/2008 7:33:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, October 11, 2008 !!!)
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Just a bit out of my price range at the moment.


17 posted on 11/28/2008 10:43:42 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: angkor

Hey, don’t laugh. If it wasn’t for that sentence in the bible what would Rick have said in Casablanca?

“Where I’m going, you can’t follow. What I’ve got to do, you can’t be any part of.”

Now we just have to find that fragment that said...it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you’ll understand that. Now, now... Here’s looking at you kid.”


18 posted on 11/29/2008 10:50:39 AM PST by Beowulf9
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