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Alp-sized peaks found entombed in Antarctic ice
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 2/24/09 | Alister Doyle

Posted on 02/24/2009 4:56:44 PM PST by NormsRevenge

OSLO (Reuters) – Jagged mountains the size of the Alps have been found entombed in Antarctica's ice, giving new clues about the vast ice sheet that will raise world sea levels if even a fraction of it melts, scientists said on Tuesday.

Using radar and gravity sensors, the experts made the first detailed maps of the Gamburtsev subglacial mountains, originally detected by Russian scientists 50 years ago at the heart of the East Antarctic ice sheet.

"The surprising thing was that not only is this mountain range the size of the Alps, but it looks quite similar to the (European) Alps, with high peaks and valleys," said Fausto Ferraccioli, a geophysicist at the British Antarctic Survey who took part in the research.

He told Reuters that the mountains would probably have been ground down almost flat if the ice sheet had formed slowly. But the presence of jagged peaks might mean the ice formed quickly, burying a landscape under up to 4 km (2.5 miles) of ice.

Ferraccioli said the maps were "the first page of a new book" of understanding how ice sheets behave, which in turn could help predict how the ice will react to global warming.

Antarctica, bigger than the United States, has been swathed in ice for about 35 million years, and contains enough of it to raise world sea levels by about 57 metres (187 feet) if it ever all melted. So even a fractional melt would affect coasts around the globe.

"Unless we have a basic understanding of how ice sheets work, any sort of predictive model won't match reality," Ferraccioli said.

The U.N. panel on climate change says that greenhouse gases, mainly emitted by burning fossil fuels, will bring more heatwaves, floods and droughts, and raise sea levels.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Outdoors; Science
KEYWORDS: alp; antarctic; catastrophism; entombed; peaks
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1 posted on 02/24/2009 4:56:44 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I bet it is cold in the valley.


2 posted on 02/24/2009 4:58:21 PM PST by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: NormsRevenge

just wait 10 years..manbearpig says all that ice will be melted and tourists will then pay to scale the things..


3 posted on 02/24/2009 5:01:35 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (A democrat will break your leg, then hand you a crutch and take credit for your being able to walk.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Gotta love those headline writers. Yeah they were found......50 years ago. On the other hand mapping them is kinda cool.

Also I wonder if maybe they weren’t ground down because the ice formed on top of and around them so there wasn’t much motion to grind them down.


4 posted on 02/24/2009 5:06:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: NormsRevenge; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; Desdemona; rdl6989; Little Bill; ..
 




Beam me to The Top of the World !

5 posted on 02/24/2009 5:06:44 PM PST by steelyourfaith (A Nation of Cowards (???) ... A Cabinet of Morons !!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The surprising thing was that not only is this mountain range the size of the Alps, but it looks quite similar to the (European) Alps, with high peaks and valleys," ....

Other than being buried under a half mile of ice, of course. You don't find that so much in the European Alps.
6 posted on 02/24/2009 5:07:55 PM PST by NonLinear ( If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.)
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To: NormsRevenge
So do they have an explanation for how ice could have formed so quickly? No. They don't.
Do they have an explanation for how the Antarctic mountains could be 500 million years old, while the Alps are only 50 to 60 million years old? No. They don't.

Why should I believe their other assumptions?

7 posted on 02/24/2009 5:08:47 PM PST by smokingfrog ( Dear Mr. Obama - Please make it rain candy! P.S. I like jelly beans.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“The U.N. panel on climate change says that greenhouse gases, mainly emitted by burning fossil fuels, will bring more heatwaves, floods and droughts, and raise sea levels.”

They better get their stories straight. They’re all becoming a laughing stock.

Feb 24, 2009
Scroll down in the left column to:

Al Gore Retracts on Warming Disaster Claims made before AAAS audience
[...]
Now that Gore has admitted that including the slide based on CRED data was a mistake, it raises a more fundamental question: How could it be that Al Gore presented obviously misleading information before a large audience of the world’s best scientists, which was then amplified in a press release by AAAS, and none of these scientists spoke up? Read more here. http://www.icecap.us/

In other news:

“Oops! Houston - we have a problem”

NASA global warming (CO2 monitoring) satellite crashes on take-off.
http://jackmyers.daylife.com/article/08PMbV53Ceary?q=NASA

Awwwwwwww.... 10 years in the planning, and “poof”!

:)


8 posted on 02/24/2009 5:11:09 PM PST by Matchett-PI (The brush fire's lit - the revolution has begun! Lead, follow, or get the hell outta the way!)
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To: devane617

The middle map on the bottom , Subglacial Topography, relief map of area

Exploring the Gamburtsev Subglacial Mountains during the International Polar Year 2007 - 2008

http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~mstuding/AGAP/


9 posted on 02/24/2009 5:13:08 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NonLinear

And no yodelers. Well, I’m assuming that, actually. Maybe there are yodelers buried under a half mile of ice.


10 posted on 02/24/2009 5:13:10 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m waiting on a Dolly pic....Come on guys, I know I am not ths only one that sees possibilities with the title.


11 posted on 02/24/2009 5:13:26 PM PST by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ferraccioli said the maps were "the first page of a new book" of understanding how ice sheets behave, which in turn could help predict how the ice will react to global warming.

OK. I'll predict that the ice sheets won't form a Riverdance troupe. Now where's my grant?

12 posted on 02/24/2009 5:14:08 PM PST by LRS (Just contracts; just laws; just a constitution...)
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To: cripplecreek

If they are as tall as the Alps, that would be a LOT of grinding.

Stupid journalists.


13 posted on 02/24/2009 5:14:36 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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That’s a heckuva big chunk of ice..

great graphics of area.

Antarctica’s Gamburtsev Province Project (AGAP)
Antarctic Research: Peering Through The Ice
http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/res/pi/gambit/index.htm


14 posted on 02/24/2009 5:15:20 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Movie: "The Land That Time Forgot"

"Negotiating an underwater tunnel [beneath the ice] to gain the island's interior, those aboard U-33 are amazed to discover a tropical prehistoric world kept warm by volcanic forces. Here dinosaurs that should be long extinct live and roam, as do a curious race of humanoid savages that appear to exhibit all the various phases of Man's evolutionary development. To survive long enough to repair and replenish the U-boat, wartime enemies must put aside their differences and cooperate with one another. But not everyone is playing from the Kumbaya songbook... The Land That Time Forgot is a thoroughly old fashioned sci-fi/fantasy adventure of the type they weren't really making anymore even in 1975. A lot of this has to do with the script sticking to Burroughs' Victorian style. (His Caprona tales were first published in 1918; as late as World War II he'd still be cranking out novels in the writing style of the 19th Century.) The film's a throwback to the likes of the original King Kong and potboilers such as Unknown Island (1948) and The Land Unknown (1957), only in color."
http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/cult_movies/land_time_forgot.htm

15 posted on 02/24/2009 5:19:23 PM PST by ETL (ALL the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Can’t be. The ice down there is all melted and stuff.


16 posted on 02/24/2009 5:29:57 PM PST by BenLurkin (Mornie` utulie`. Mornie` alantie`.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Maybe the Garden of Eden had some nice snow capped peaks in the mix? Now guarded by an angel with a fiery sword, albeit a very cold fire? Are there not also giant redwoods down there as well? Must have been a great garden spot when the Earth was enveloped in mist.


17 posted on 02/24/2009 5:46:43 PM PST by blackpacific
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To: NormsRevenge
"The surprising thing was that not only is this mountain range the size of the Alps, but it looks quite similar to the (European) Alps, with high peaks and valleys," said Fausto Ferraccioli, a geophysicist at the British Antarctic Survey who took part in the research.

The "Chariots Of The Gods" aliens were keeping a spare Alps on ice, because they knew that Man would destroy the original Alps with Global Warming.

Yep, them dang aliens think of EVERTHIN.

18 posted on 02/24/2009 6:07:18 PM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Beware of geeks bearing grifts)
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To: LRS
OK. I'll predict that the ice sheets won't form a Riverdance troupe. Now where's my grant?

So, a giant sheet of ice walks into a bar...

19 posted on 02/24/2009 6:09:26 PM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Beware of geeks bearing grifts)
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To: Billthedrill

In ice, no one can hear you yodel...
20 posted on 02/24/2009 6:18:17 PM PST by NonLinear ( If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.)
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