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Black Hole Creates Spectacular Light Show (HST-1, enigmatic blob in the center of the M87 galaxy)
Space.com on Yahoo ^ | 4/14/09 | Clara Moskowitz

Posted on 04/14/2009 10:37:20 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

A jet of gas spewing from a huge black hole has mysteriously brightened, flaring to 90 times its normal glow.

For seven years the Hubble Space Telescope has been watching the jet, which pours out of the supermassive black hole in the center of the M87 galaxy. It has photographed the strange phenomenon fading and then brightening, with a peak that even outshines M87's brilliant core.

Scientists have dubbed the enigmatic bright blob HST-1, and are so far at a loss to explain its weird behavior.

"I did not expect the jet in M87 or any other jet powered by accretion onto a black hole to increase in brightness in the way that this jet does," said astronomer Juan Madrid of McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, who conducted the Hubble study. "It grew 90 times brighter than normal. But the question is, does this happen to every single jet or active nucleus, or are we seeing some odd behavior from M87?"

Many supermassive black holes have jets of material that spray out perpendicularly from the donut-shaped ring of matter falling onto the black hole. These beams of hot gas are thought to result from magnetic field lines that are twisted by the black hole's mass, and propel charged particles outward.

But most rays do not appear to blaze up with such extreme intensity as HST-1. Scientists aren't sure if it is an exceptional case, or if it represents a normal event for black hole jets, which are still not very well understood. In this case, the bright knot of HST-1 is about 214 light-years from the M87 galaxy's core

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: blackhole; catastrophism; creates; galaxy; lightshow; spectacular; stringtheory; xplanets

1 posted on 04/14/2009 10:37:20 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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In these Hubble photos, the core of M87 is located at lower left in the images. HST-1 is the bright blob at center. The glowing material at far right is part of a stream of particles in the jet that speed up and glow in the ultraviolet. The photos show show the jet growing brighter over a seven-year period. Credit: NASA, ESA, and J. Madrid (McMaster University)


2 posted on 04/14/2009 10:38:55 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Astronomy sometimes depresses me, because I know that before the ultra-light speed travel or teleportation or beaming or whatever the hell it is gets developed so that we can actually travel to some of these fascinating places in this galaxy, I’ll have long ago passed through the intestinal tract of the local worm population.


3 posted on 04/14/2009 10:39:17 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: domenad

I’m so happy to be living in such a wonderful period when so much is known and yet so much remains a mystery. We live in the best of times.


4 posted on 04/14/2009 10:43:24 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The age of Obama: the transient aschematic delusions of adequacy decade.)
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To: domenad
I've become addicted to the TV program named Universe. I think it's on the History channel and it always has some interesting element of astronomy to discuss. The last episode was about planets and why Pluto was reclassified as a Dwarf Planet. I find the show very interesting and the images and graphics are spectacular.
5 posted on 04/14/2009 10:46:48 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: econjack

“The Universe has been brought to you by Bridgestone”.

My kids crack up every time they hear that.


6 posted on 04/14/2009 10:57:48 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: NormsRevenge

Frankly I’m sick of blacks holes.


7 posted on 04/14/2009 11:00:15 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The biggest threat to the US economy is the US Congress.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Oops! Make that black holes. LOL.


8 posted on 04/14/2009 11:01:17 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The biggest threat to the US economy is the US Congress.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Yeah, they suck.


9 posted on 04/14/2009 11:01:40 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: NormsRevenge

[picture of the guy posing in front of the drilling platform gas burn-off valve in 5...4...3...]


10 posted on 04/14/2009 11:03:25 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: econjack

The Universe is roughly 14 Billion years. According to the end-theory you believe in it may last another trillion years or exist into infinity. Your lifespan is roughly 75 years if you’re lucky. Your existence is less than a milli-microsecond in all of time. So exactly why are we here now in this universe? Why doesn’t the Universe have a shorter life-span? Why don’t we have a longer life-span, or live forever? What’s the point? Obviously humans will not exist on this planet indefinitely. Another 500 years? 5,000 years? 500,000 years? Highly doubtful. Highly doubtful we will live extraterrestrial. The Universe is so vast, so hostile. Why? You can discover every principle of science and every Law, but unless you can uncover the ‘reason’ we exist, and why we exist now, and the actual purpose of our existence, then we have learned nothing.


11 posted on 04/14/2009 11:04:18 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: NormsRevenge
An interesting take on M87 by one of the great astronomers, Halton Arp:
Galaxies, like a group of animals, reveal at a glance all stages of birth, growth and maturity. Take one example. M87 is a famous galaxy near the center of our Local Super Cluster. In 1918, even before the recognition of galaxies, it was observed with a small telescope to have a blue spike coming out of its center5. With the most expensive modern day telescope, the Hubble Space Telescope, Fig. 1 shows this spike contains a number of small, compact objects. These objects are radiating a continuous spectrum of synchrotron (charged particle) radiation. The conventional view is that they are clouds of hot gas ejected from the nucleus with about the speed of light (observed from displacement over time).

But how do you accelerate a cloud of hot gas to velocity near c? How do you get a hold of it? And why does it not just go POOF and dissipate? Even more revealing, one sees these objects grow in size and luminosity as they move outward along the jet. What do we see further out along the jet? For one, a radio, X-ray galaxy (M 84) with swept back X-ray isophotes indicating travel out along the jet. It is closely accompanied by a high redshift (z ~ 1) quasar. Further out is a very bright radio, X-ray quasar with flanking quasars around z = 1. This is all set in an extended line of X-ray sources and older, more evolved galaxies 5.

So we have spread out before us a more or less complete empirical demonstration of how galaxies are born and evolve. As the variable mass theory requires, the emergence of new matter near m = 0 requires speeds of pure energy near c. As the particle masses grow they slow down in order to conserve momentum in the extragalactic rest frame. That means the elementary particles cool. Together with the increasing gravity the growing matter condenses into a proto quasar/galaxy. (No dark matter needed!) When atoms form they at first radiate weak, high redshifted photons. The redshift then decreases with time as it evolves into a more normal galaxy. The variable mass theory requires the younger galaxies to have intrinsic redshifts which diminish as they evolve.

M87 is just one example but there are now dozens of galaxy/quasar/redshift observations which tell the same story6. The cry that has always gone up is that there is no viable theory to explain the redshift anomalies. But more than 20 years ago I left my office at Santa Barbara St. and went down to campus to ask Dick Feynman his opinion. After a considerable talk, not all of which I understood, he summed up by saying: The Hoyle-Narlikar theory is a complete theory and is not contradicted in any respect. But we do not need it because our present theory explains everything. There is always the chance he was putting me on a bit but I feel strongly that [if] he could see the evidence today he would say we need it.


12 posted on 04/14/2009 11:07:14 AM PDT by aruanan
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13 posted on 04/14/2009 11:08:33 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: Doc Savage
unless you can uncover the ‘reason’ we exist, and why we exist now, and the actual purpose of our existence, then we have learned nothing

Not true. Learning how something was made gives us incite into who made it.

14 posted on 04/14/2009 11:26:19 AM PDT by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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To: Doc Savage
...unless you can uncover the ‘reason’ we exist, and why we exist now, and the actual purpose of our existence, then we have learned nothing.

That seems a bit harsh. We have learned a lot in a relatively short period of time, but much is left to discover. Arguing Descartes' point and stretching it to say we have learned nothing makes no sense to me, especially in light of all that we have learned. Whether we exist because of some hiccup of nature or were placed here by a higher being is moot. The fact remains we are here and we should learn what we can in the short time we do exist.

15 posted on 04/14/2009 11:35:57 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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16 posted on 04/14/2009 6:53:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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18 posted on 04/14/2009 6:54:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Doc Savage
So exactly why are we here now in this universe? Now or later, now or earlier ... if you believe you are an accident which has happened, what difference would it make?

Why doesn’t the Universe have a shorter life-span? Why don’t we have a longer life-span, or live forever? And you're assuming you don't exist forever? Still looking at only the physical spacetime manifestations around you and not looking with the spiritual eye? 'What IS the Universe' may be far more than you have discerned at this primitive time in the history of the Universe. And that may be the point of you being alive in a body now, before the greater Universe is yet to be discerned and observed using the power of the sceintific method. Spiritual Faith is a really tough sell if there are no unanswered great questions. Faith may be a force or dimension of extreme importance that you learn to express now while it cannot get others into more danger than it does. When you use faith to sit upon a chair, you endanger no one else in the room usually if the chair fails to hold you. If you express faith that God is and is a rewarder of those who dilligently seek Him, you harm no one and may actually develop your yet to be vital 'faith force'.

What’s the point? Obviously humans will not exist on this planet indefinitely. Another 500 years? 5,000 years? 500,000 years? If you are not a spiritual being in a physical body, what difference does it make, you were and then you are not. BUT, if you are a spiritual being in a short-lived physical body, you will be 'graduating' to the next stage of your existence more quickly than say a being who spends five or six hundred years in the physical body. The time scales of these stages are up to the Creator's plan, if you believe you are a spirit in a body now.

"What's the point?" Sad, to ask that when you could ask, 'what has God in Mind with this arrangement?' If there is no God, you lose nothing in taking the 'hope' approach, whereas the 'what's the point' removes not only hope but purpose, unnecessarily.

19 posted on 04/14/2009 8:00:13 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Doc Savage

Oh, and BTW, it may well be that this relatively calm period is the only period during which your ‘primitive’ life could come to be in the lifetime of the dynamic Universe. If it has taken four billion years to make you, and the Universe you have this physical body in has been around for fifteen billion years, the window of your coming into existence may be closing, and a more restrictive less hospitable Universe may be approaching.


20 posted on 04/14/2009 8:05:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: aruanan; NormsRevenge; Fred Nerks; blam; SunkenCiv

Hubble Space Telescope image of the jet emerging from M 87. The plasmoids are moving outward with velocities near c and becoming brighter.

Fascinating stuff....Low Mass Electron-Positron States

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Particle gravitation theories of the Hoyle-Narlikar type

...????......

21 posted on 04/15/2009 9:33:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Doc Savage
but unless you can uncover the ‘reason’ we exist, and why we exist now, and the actual purpose of our existence, then we have learned nothing.

We are the latest parasite to inhabit this rock. The next big rock that hits it will be the end of our time, and the begining of the next parasite.

22 posted on 04/15/2009 9:37:39 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: All
Question from a forum:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=111400>Hoyle-Narlikar Theory

****************************EXCERPT*************************

Since a large amount of Arp's ejected QSOs theory rests on the idea that Narlikar somehow said that general relativity has a solution which allows for a quasi-steady state universe and objects that aquire mass and have an intrinsic redshift:

I have to ask, would not this show up in all sorts of ways and all sorts of places, and not just in the redshift of objects?

Would not a changing constant for G have some visible impact on the universe that we can observe?

Does it do away with singularities?

Thanks.

23 posted on 04/15/2009 10:10:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: MHGinTN
and a more restrictive less hospitable Universe may be approaching.

And if we are not here ...how will we know....and why do we care?

24 posted on 04/15/2009 10:13:17 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I don't jump that far in drawing conclusions.

The fifth chapter of Daniel indicates that there is a reality no further away than the length of a man's arm, which is populated by actual beings who have physical substance of some sort, at least when interacting with our reality. It would be presumptuous to assume that realm is going through the exact same changes and time scales as we in this realm.

As a believer in Jesus Christ and His resurrection, it is evident that the 'laws' of the universe we are bound to in this body do not in fact confine the reality to which Jesus went with His physical body when He left the wrapped burial clothes without unwrapping them and the tomb without rolling away the stone.

If one believes the Apostles' stories, Jesus came from and went to this 'other' realm without difficulty. And oddly enough, this other realm is not even portrayed as Heaven, that's a completely 'other' realm of reality!

25 posted on 04/15/2009 10:24:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

BTW, it is clear from the Daniel episode that that other realm is aware of our realm, so the approaching less hospitable to our form of physical existence Universe may be readily discernable to the other realm. In fact, those there may already be able to ‘see’ that future.


26 posted on 04/15/2009 10:26:25 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
The fifth chapter of Daniel

Ok...thanks.

27 posted on 04/15/2009 10:55:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The plasmoids are moving outward with velocities near c and becoming brighter.
Thanks Ernest.
28 posted on 04/15/2009 6:30:48 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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