Hawaii tries again to snuff Barack Obama birth certificate controversy (L.A. Times)

Los Angeles Times ^ | July 28, 2009 | Andrew Malcolm

[real_patriotic_american]

Well, surely this will settle finally once and for all that Barack Hussein Obama was really, actually and factually born in the United States and, therefore, is fully qualified according to the U.S. Constitution to be the president that he has been since he took the oath of office on Jan. 20 and a second time shortly after, just to make sure.

Not! In yet another quite possibly futile attempt to silence the zombie birther controversy that won't die,

[Bon mots]

That was a copy and paste from an email I got.

[real_patriotic_american]

And probably MORE bogus when it becomes official (lol).

You wrote-
“It’s a bogus story until it’s official.”

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

I obtained the info from Orly Taitz’ website. It was part of one of her filings.

Work & Lurk for me, so I don’t have a direct link. It’s around here (FR) in a number of places. Look for almost any pissant post.

[Eagle Eye]

Are you suggesting that on the one hand they are saying that the “originals” were all destroyed but on the other hand they are saying that they recenlty examined the “originals” for authenticity?

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

And no, the Long Form isn’t the end of this, it is just the beginning.

[nathanbedford]

On October 31st 2008 Doctor Fukino issued the following press release:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. (http://24ahead.com/hawaii-department-health-103108-press-release-about-obama-bi)

At the very minimum, the competent state official in Hawaii confirms that the original birth certificate is on record as at October 31, 2008. Yet many objected that the official did not explicitly state that Obama was born in Hawaii. Now Doctor Fukino explicitly states that Obama was born in Hawaii and that fact is recorded in the "vital records":

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Now many complain that Doctor Fukino does not recite that she examined the underlying birth certificate but only some "vital records" which could mean something apart from the original long form birth certificate. Unfortunately for this quibble, Doctor Fukino explicitly refers back to her October 2008 statement. That is significant because that statement says explicitly that the original birth certificate is on record. Therefore, no reasonable reader can conclude otherwise than that the competent state official of Hawaii is affirming that the original birth certificate, which is in the file and which she has personally examined in the presence of another official, says that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Folks, let's work with the facts.

[nufsed]

I am thankful that the constitutional expert on "natural born" in the Hawaii records office has ended the argument? LOL.

Since last November, these folks have been saying they can't open the record without President Transparency's permission. Now this. Did he authorize this? If they can reveal this, they can show us the form.

[ckilmer]

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with 10 backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate.

The library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.

Now this story is starting to change. Some liberals in an open acknowledgement of Obama's problems are starting to call for a change in the constitution.Liberal defenders of Obama in full retreat on Birth CertificateNow The LA Times Wants To Amend the Constitution Rather Than Have Obama Show His Birth Certificate. (Translation: Yeah he’s not a Natural Born Citizen — As the Constitution Requires.)

[nathanbedford]

I did not refer to Doctor Fukino's reference to "natural born citizen," in fact, in a previous post I explicitly stated that I discounted that reference for her want of expertise. But that has nothing to do with what she says she saw. Either you must believe she is lying, or so stupid she cannot recognize a document common to her job description, or she saw an original birth certificate that says he was born in Hawaii.

As far as her allegedly violating the law of the state of Hawaii, because she did maintain the secrecy of the document, I note that she is only reciting what is on the Certification of Live Birth which states that Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. Therefore I presume she felt that she was operating within the law in revealing that she saw in the document that he was born in Hawaii. As to her statement concerning natural born citizenship, that is a legal conclusion and not a revelation of the contents of a document.

[ckilmer]

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

[FredZarguna]

The long form says that his real name is the very pedestrian “Barry Dunham” rather than the über-kewl “Barack Obama.” Not disqualifying, but it shows the world what a fraud he’s been since the day he was old enough to function under an assumed name.

[nufsed]

I am a birther by nature of being a skeptical person and having seen so many lies over the decades. I want all of his records open for what they may reveal about his life and claims in his books.

I have always wondered, why would Hawaii have on file a birth certificate which is not for the state of Hawaii? Do they file birth certificates from other countries?

[nathanbedford]

Can I refer you to my post of last night which surveys the legal situation and I’m afraid is quite pessimistic about the options in court. Further, with this new revelation from Doctor Fukino, coming as it does on the heels of a revised YouTube telephone conversation with Obama’s grandmother which recants any allegation that she saw him born in Kenya, there is very little affirmative evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. The absence of such proof means that the entire argument hangs on the contents of the underlying birth certificate. Doctor Fukino has just struck a blow at that thin reed.

You will find that post here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2302400/posts?page=172#172

[Deo volente]

Dr Orly Taitz reports Barack Hussein Obama associated with 39 social security numbers

[nufsed]

I read that last night and was impressed by some of it. That's why I posed to you.

It looks like we're down to a request for info. Open the birth, school, and passport records for public scrutiny. That may not be sufficient in court. Don't know.

[real_patriotic_american]

Note that Obama won’t release documents:

Original birth certificate - Not released
Obama/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license - Not released
Soetoro adoption records - Not released
Besuki School application - Released
Punahou School records - Not released
Selective Service Registration - Released and under suspicion
Occidental College records - Not released
Passport (Pakistan) - Not released
Columbia College records - Not released
Columbia thesis - Not released
Harvard College records - Not released
Harvard Law Review articles - None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate - None
Medical records - Not released
Illinois State Senate records - None
Illinois State Senate schedule - Lost
Law practice client list - Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles - None

[real_patriotic_american]

Both of her statements sound fishy to me. Let’s see Obama’s original long form birth certificate.

[real_patriotic_american]

Dan Rather exposed! What caused him to be so raddled? Guilt!

You wrote-
““You miserable freepers should understand that the birth certificate previously supplied by President Obama’s supporters may have been fake, but it was completely accurate.”
Dan Rather, WWHO radio
Frostbite Falls, North Dakota”

[real_patriotic_american]

I’m looking forward to Obama’s many social security numbers being entered into court. Last I heard, he may have had 39.

[real_patriotic_american]

Good point! I agree!

You wrote-
“Okay why doesn’t the Health Department just display the original birth certificate? They keep telling everybody that Obama was born in Hawaii so what’s the hold up on showing the birth certificate. That would put an end to all of the birther arguments. Something still doesn’t smell right.”

[Cheburashka]

“You miserable freepers should understand that the birth certificate previously supplied by President Obama’s supporters may have been fake, but it was completely accurate.”
Dan Rather, WWHO radio
Frostbite Falls, North Dakota

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An obvious fraud.

Any Rocky and Bullwinkle fan knows that Frostbite Falls is in Minnesota.