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Orly is working FOR Obama?
8/4/09 | Vanity

Posted on 08/04/2009 11:09:28 AM PDT by MissTickly

"Dear Orly:

PER YOUR CURRENT KENYAN BC: Are working FOR Obama, Orly? I am on to you.

THIS IS A SHAM. You knew the following BEFORE you filed your recent debacle in court. I know, I wrote and told you so did another poster:

This is not a good pursuit of things as it could result in placing The President's VITAL RECORDS under court seal, keeping, We, the People, who have Oversight of the agency, who has the Oversight of the records from legally viewing them per UIPA Provisions (§92F-12) (3) (15).

This is a legal and responsible route to pursue the documents. I have done so and asked that ’significant privacy information’ per exceptions found in (§92F-13(1) be omitted from the records. As lawyer, Orly knows this is true.

The ’significant privacy information’ per Obama’s Vital Records are these: DOB & Ethnicity

Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered ’significant privacy information’ per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.

These provisions in context of Fukino’s TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public. (§92F-12) (3) (15)

UIPA STATUTE Part II: “To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.”

DEAR ALL FREEPERS:

Orly, I believe, is working for OBAMA. Please urge her to step off, she's not helping the cause for truth. I suspect it is entirely intentional, too. She's a lawyer and knows about the Hawaiian OPEN RECORDS LAW. Yet, she hasn't tried to pursue it? There are TWO provisions that call for the public disclosure--she KNOWS THIS.

Think about it--where has she found all the resources to keep pursuing this when others have not? Has she ever helped this cause so far--in terms of GETTING ANSWERS?

WELL, I HAVE. This is MY story, that happened, Monday, July, 27:

On a whim I decided to try my hand at a question for Janice Okubo, Communications Director for the Department of Health that holds the President’s vital records. Believe me when i say I have not sought an answer to the ‘birther’ question in any formal way ever before this day. I emailed her and I asked her about AMENDED original birth certificates, something which by sheer existence alone, usually (not always) indicates a person was ADOPTED:

In a nutshell, this is what I asked her:

“Ms. Okubo–

Director Fukino made this statement (Oct 2008): ““Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures… ” Therefore, she has the statutory authority to answer this question:

“Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?” Please reply with her answer.”

You see, they have the same statutory authority over an Amended Original Birth Certificate that they have over an (unamended) Original Birth Certificate. No one has to attest to an Amended Original Birth Certificate’s existence or have ‘tangible interest’ in the record. By virtue of STATUTORY AUTHORITY alone she can answer my question, AND she clearly says so.

But, to my surprise, at 11:47 p.m. on Monday, July 27, 2009 I got an electronic press release with a new statement, the first in EIGHT months with the ‘natural born citizen’ stuff people have been talking about all week:

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

I had this sent directly to me by Janice Okubo, herself, in response to my emailed question. And I suspect I had it hours before the press had it. I searched Google for any reference to this statement. None. Not even FactCheck.org had it.

Of course, since they are able to drive the story through the media they needlessly added the stuff about being ‘natural born’ and ‘born in Hawaii’ to the answer to my question and to detract from the affirmative answer to my question and to fit their agenda. It was the headline on Yahoo! by the following morning.

But the answer to my carefully crafted question was there none-the-less:

“original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures...”

BECAME “original vital records [plural] maintained on file”

This was too vague for my taste, so I asked for clarity. So, I asked specifically if the Director would make a statement that she has the STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE: “As Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, I have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama’s AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” But I got this in return: “The director has nothing further to add to her statements.”

I let Ms. Okubo know that I fear something is preventing Dr. Fukino from making statements she does have the authority to make. Duress? And told her I was compelled to tell someone. I did, I sent an email to two major networks.

ANYWAY: Knowing in my heart why they made that statement on Monday, I pressed on. I looked at the UIPA Open Records Act in Hawaii and found ANYONE can make a request--not just Hawaiians. So using the question I’d already asked, I filed a UIPA Information Request.

Then I thought about it some more. The way I worded it felt wrong and it seemed like an inappropriate way to use the UIP Act and I withdrew it immediately and telling them I didn’t have the stomach for it.

Then I went back and read the UIPA Guidelines thoroughly and found the provision(s) that require the RESPONSIBLE disclosure of ALL OBAMA’S VITAL RECORDS citing not one, but TWO provisions. I want you to read my formal request and the follow up statements I sent. Read them in the order I have listed them, which is backward in chronological order beginning with today’s follow up. I think they read better that way. They have 10 days to respond, and I have recourse beyond The Dept. of Health noncompliance if that’s the case. I can re-file with the Hawaii Office of Information Practices for thier ruling.

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None of this LEGITIMATE EFFORT will make a difference if Orly pursues this. She is a lawyer, she knows I have followed UIPA Guidelines per Hawaii's Open Records Law and that I have made a case for disclosure.

I feel I must expose this, and I am sorry if anyone disgrees but this has become apparent to me.

Thanks for listening with an open ear!


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Miscellaneous; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 2012; bfrcolbtwawlol; birthcertificate; certifigate; hillary; kenya; napl; obama; pumas
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1 posted on 08/04/2009 11:09:29 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

Who are you?


2 posted on 08/04/2009 11:12:14 AM PDT by Wu (Excuse me while I kiss the sky......)
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To: MissTickly

My head hurts.

Hey...what’s that over there? It’s shiny..................


3 posted on 08/04/2009 11:12:31 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Wu; MissTickly

“Who are you?”

Yes, “Miss Tickly”, who are you?


4 posted on 08/04/2009 11:14:23 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: MissTickly

For that to be true, Alan Keyes would have to be an idiot. Not buying it.


5 posted on 08/04/2009 11:14:51 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Wu

Probably a troll.


6 posted on 08/04/2009 11:15:17 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: MissTickly; STARWISE; penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Danae; ...

PING!!!


7 posted on 08/04/2009 11:15:44 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: Wu
Miss Tickly is an admitted Democrat from the long thread. Shades of Hillary chicks who were here during the election. I don't see, from her writing here, that she accomplished anything at all. No one official wants to answer questions. Duh.
8 posted on 08/04/2009 11:15:45 AM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: MissTickly

The writing is so peculiar, and the use of capital letters is so EXCESSIVE, that I have to doubt the accuracy of your legal reasoning.


9 posted on 08/04/2009 11:16:08 AM PDT by RetroSexual
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To: Wu

Probably a DUmmy trying to make us look bad...


10 posted on 08/04/2009 11:16:50 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: MissTickly

Interesting work. book mark to come back to.


11 posted on 08/04/2009 11:17:17 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Dianna

You think you know something, but others know I am dedicated to this issue. And several of us freepers have worked ot gether on this.


12 posted on 08/04/2009 11:17:22 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

13 posted on 08/04/2009 11:18:18 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: MissTickly

I don’t care what you think. I said if you disagree—I DON’T CARE. I am putting what I know out there and stating when I ‘suspect’ something.


14 posted on 08/04/2009 11:19:03 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

Then explain Alan Keyes? (eye roll)


15 posted on 08/04/2009 11:19:34 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: MissTickly
I don't know about your central thesis, but the following information is useful and I thank you for it.

Place of birth, hospital, address at the time of birth, weight, etc.. ARE NOT considered ’significant privacy information’ per by the UIPA open records law in Hawaii and most states in America as far as I can tell.

These provisions in context of Fukino’s TWO public statements and the current political climate MANDATE that disclosure of his VITAL RECORDS serves the Public. (§92F-12) (3) (15)

UIPA STATUTE Part II: “To balance the individual privacy interest and the public interest, allowing access unless disclosure would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.

Given this direction that the UIPA be interpreted to promote open government, any doubt regarding disclosure of a record should likely be resolved IN FAVOR OF ACCESS.”

16 posted on 08/04/2009 11:20:05 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Wu

Hi Newbie, now go away.


17 posted on 08/04/2009 11:20:41 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: kellynla

To: AngelesCrestHighway

“The sick rat bastards on the left can’t stand equal fire!”

I know, and for them to gripe in this particular case, is heartless.

But I have to tell you—I am a liberal/progressive. I guess I am just one of the very rare ones that choose country over party this election.

June 2008, I declared my Independence from the DNC and started my one-woman party that doesn’t subscribe to the politics of personal destruction FOR REAL.=)

53 posted on Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:20:08 PM by MissTickly
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18 posted on 08/04/2009 11:20:57 AM PDT by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: agere_contra

What’s important is that ORLY knew this. If you found it compelling, why didn’t she?


19 posted on 08/04/2009 11:21:35 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: Wu

Sorry Wu! I meant that for the original poster.


20 posted on 08/04/2009 11:21:57 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: MissTickly
Phhhtt, tickle this.
21 posted on 08/04/2009 11:22:41 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: MissTickly; LucyT

I like cheese.

Do you like cheese?


22 posted on 08/04/2009 11:22:54 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Crazy is the new sane.)
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To: agere_contra

that is good info. no question.


23 posted on 08/04/2009 11:23:50 AM PDT by wiggen
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To: kellynla

She’s somebody busting her gut to try and force the roaches out from under their rocks.


24 posted on 08/04/2009 11:25:08 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away..............)
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To: MissTickly

25 posted on 08/04/2009 11:25:57 AM PDT by Wardenclyffe
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To: paulycy

Is that real?


26 posted on 08/04/2009 11:26:20 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away..............)
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To: penelopesire

I can’t speak on how Keyes became involved with Orly, but I can speak for me. And this is my story.

Take it for what you will.

You can verify everything I state via UIPA guidelines:
http://www.state.hi.us/oip/UIPA%20Manual%205aug08.pdf


27 posted on 08/04/2009 11:26:20 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: Liberty Ship

I am open about that. It only means I am forthcoming. I found kinship with freepers.


28 posted on 08/04/2009 11:28:01 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

MissTickly, I want to encourage Hillary supporters to make common cause with conservatives who want to see BHO release his original BC and/or force Hawaii bureaucrats to be more cooperative. But I do question whether flaming Orly Taitz with a vanity on FR is wise.


29 posted on 08/04/2009 11:29:04 AM PDT by Genoa
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To: MissTickly
And they ignored you. That's the problem. I am starting to wonder about Orly Taitz, though. Why she would post that Kenyan BC without fully vetting it was either amateurish or she is an agent provocateur.
30 posted on 08/04/2009 11:29:20 AM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Manic_Episode

It’s fine if you don’t agree. But I have stated it, none-the-less, because I think it’s relevant.


31 posted on 08/04/2009 11:29:26 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: Salamander

I wish it were. Could be if anybody wanted to pay for the sign. No charge on the pic of course.


32 posted on 08/04/2009 11:29:35 AM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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To: paulycy

Drat!

I thought they’d really ramped it up!

/Salamander sulks


33 posted on 08/04/2009 11:30:38 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away..............)
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To: Genoa

I am afraid it would be unwise not to. Please look at UIPA Guidelines. Yo uwill see these records belongs to the public per the provision and exceptions I stated.

I don’t mean to be reckless—but I KNOW we have recourse through Hawaii Open Records Law.

http://www.state.hi.us/oip/UIPA%20Manual%205aug08.pdf


34 posted on 08/04/2009 11:31:46 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly

This is hugh and series.

I predict this thread will hit 5,000 replies by end of day.

(Or not)


35 posted on 08/04/2009 11:31:50 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: MissTickly
This is giving Orly too much credit. She's much too stupid to be in on such a scam.

The explanation most consistent with the facts that we know about her, especially her gullibility, is that she really thinks the Kenyan BC is genuine.

36 posted on 08/04/2009 11:31:50 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: MissTickly
You think you know something, but others know I am dedicated to this issue. And several of us freepers have worked ot gether on this.

Are you disputing my post? Please explain what you have accomplished.

37 posted on 08/04/2009 11:33:07 AM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
For that to be true, Alan Keyes would have to be an idiot.

Alan Keyes is not an idiot. He just pretends to be one so that he can attract a following of lunatics and conspiracy theorists.

38 posted on 08/04/2009 11:33:31 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Salamander

Is she? I am not so sure now. And I have supported her efforts until my experience with her. Just take it for what you will.

We are all working hard on getting answers.

I KNOW we have recourse through Hawaii Open Records Law, using the provisions and exception I stated.

http://www.state.hi.us/oip/UIPA%20Manual%205aug08.pdf


39 posted on 08/04/2009 11:34:25 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: penelopesire
Then explain Alan Keyes?

What about him?

40 posted on 08/04/2009 11:34:50 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: MissTickly

Uh...I was referring to *you*....LOL!


41 posted on 08/04/2009 11:35:29 AM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away..............)
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To: Dianna

I already did. They answer affirmative when I asked Hawaiian officials if he had an AMENDED BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Please read ALL of what I wrote before commenting, but I do welcome your comment.


42 posted on 08/04/2009 11:36:01 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: unixfox

No problem Unixfox.


43 posted on 08/04/2009 11:36:11 AM PDT by Wu (Excuse me while I kiss the sky......)
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To: paulycy; Salamander

Yes. There was a billboard but it was forced down. I have forgotten where but it was posted on FR.


44 posted on 08/04/2009 11:36:42 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: MissTickly
Orly Taitz is not crafty enough to be working with Obama. She regularly misrepresents conversations with people by interpreting a negative response as a favorable response that has the potential to “blow this thing wide open.” She's delusional, nothing else.

As for her ignoring information that you sent her, that's not unusual. I've sent her information that clearly dispels the rumor that travel to Pakistan in 1981 was illegal. She still won't correct her court filings.

Just because she's ignoring you doesn't mean she's automatically on the other team. You sound more paranoid than you realize.

45 posted on 08/04/2009 11:37:33 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Why she would post that Kenyan BC without fully vetting it was either amateurish or she is an agent provocateur.

She's obviously "amateurish," as you say, which pretty much describes all of her behavior to date. Just look at the asinine way she handles herself in court.

46 posted on 08/04/2009 11:37:33 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: MissTickly
I don’t mean to be reckless—but I KNOW we have recourse through Hawaii Open Records Law.

So, your argument is Orly MUST be working for Obama because she isn't arguing the same thing as you are? Because yours is better, although admittedly you haven't gotten any further than she has?

So, why not argue your angle, pursue your stuff and leave Orly out of it? Why does she HAVE to be a bad guy?

47 posted on 08/04/2009 11:37:50 AM PDT by Dianna (Obama Barbie: Governing is hard.)
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To: curiosity

I don’t know much about Keyes. I don’t believe that he’s an idiot but I have certainly disagreed with him.


48 posted on 08/04/2009 11:38:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Salamander

Oh, LOL thank you for back me up!!!

“She’s somebody busting her gut to try and force the roaches out from under their rocks.”


49 posted on 08/04/2009 11:38:12 AM PDT by MissTickly
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To: MissTickly
I found kinship with freepers.

You're fixin' to lose it.

50 posted on 08/04/2009 11:38:36 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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