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How Did Dogs Acquire a "Guilty Look?"
Self | September 18, 2009 | PJ-Comix

Posted on 09/18/2009 3:06:19 PM PDT by PJ-Comix

A little while ago I made my wife laugh by doing an impression of a dog acting guilty. After the laughter subsided I started thinking: How does a dog even know how to act guilty? Guilt is not an emotion in any part of the rest animal kingdom except perhaps to a much lesser extent in cats and maybe chimpanzees although I am not sure about the latter due to little contact with chimps. Cats have such a superiority complex that they really don't show much guilt about anything.

But dogs go completely overboard in the guilt department. You come home and if your dog did something it shouldn't have done, such as leave a "deposit" on the floor, you can often tell right away. The head is down, you might hear some whimpering, and the eyes give away a great deal of guilt. Not only can dogs act guilty, it is much more exaggerated than in humans since people often tried to hide their guilt.

We take this feeling of guilt for granted in dogs because we are so used to it. However, guilt is a very complicated emotion. How did dogs pick up feelings of guilt? It's really amazing when you think about it.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; canines; dogs
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To: brytlea
Hee hee! ;)

I have an absurdly strong and athletic Bull Mastiff female. I have to keep on top of things or she thinks she is a semi-autonomous member of the pack with ‘decision on who gets bit’ (mostly yappy dogs) decision making power.

141 posted on 09/18/2009 6:06:12 PM PDT by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be RE-distributed?)
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To: brytlea

He’s a gem.
a total gentleman
after the first day it was like he lived here his whole life

we’ve had several older golden rescues in the last decade
call our house “Del Webb for Dogs”
I think they pay you back a million to one, the only hard part is when they pass away.


142 posted on 09/18/2009 6:13:07 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: brytlea
MORE PUPPIES!!!!!!

That little one is gorgeous.

We almost got a yellow female Lab pup . . . but the owner of the bitch had not tested them for EIC, and I didn't want to get burned again, now that there actually IS a test (poor Ruby was almost 2 years old before they developed the test!)

143 posted on 09/18/2009 6:23:50 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: mware

Beautiful Lab. I’ve got a soft spot in my heart for those boogers. :)


144 posted on 09/18/2009 6:27:18 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: brytlea

And Jesus still loves you. lol

I think I live with your twin sister. lol


145 posted on 09/18/2009 6:27:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

What’s EIC?


146 posted on 09/18/2009 6:28:42 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: goat granny
We used to have ONE goat -- a little black and white floppy eared girl of unknown ancestry.

She belonged to our next door neighbor, an elderly man who was gassed in the Argonne in WWI. Periodically he had to go into the VA with lung trouble, and we would babysit the goat while he was gone.

He was just an old country boy, and as far as he was concerned the goat was just a lawnmower -- she had to live on the weeds and stuff in his back yard. When she came to our house for babysitting, she got alfalfa hay, Purina Goat Chow, and her own drinking fountain in the back yard, as well as a brushing every day and a bath once a week. She turned from a bag of bones with brittle hair into a fat, sassy, glossy-coated beauty.

And she used to periodically have a jailbreak and come putting her nose on our sunroom windows looking for a treat . . . .

Anyhow, when he passed away he bequeathed the goat to us, which was very nice, but then his relations came from south Georgia and claimed the goat. I just hope they didn't barbeque her -- but I think she was too old and tough for that.

147 posted on 09/18/2009 6:29:10 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: calex59
wild dogs of Africa(they are called dogs)and the dingo’s, wild dogs of Australia.

African wild dogs are in the dog family, but not in the same genus or species. From wiki -- "The African Wild Dog (Lycaon pictus) is a carnivorous mammal of the Canidae family"

The dingo's are considered to be descendants of feral dogs. Wiki -- "The Dingo (Canis lupus dingo) is a domestic dog"

These days dogs (Canis lupus familiaris) are considered to be subspecies of wolf (Canis lupus). The old idea that wolves were in a separate genus (Lupus lupus) is now rejected.

Naturally this is still a matter of controversy.

148 posted on 09/18/2009 6:32:33 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Chode
LOL!!!

cute pictures of puppies with captions

funny-dog-pictures-with-captions-not-cool-dude

funny pictures of dogs with captions

149 posted on 09/18/2009 6:33:21 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: Vendome
EIC is the latest genetic quirk -- Exercise Induced Collapse. It's a recessive gene, carriers are not affected but dogs with two copies of the gene are affected. It's VERY common in Labs, mostly noticeably in the field bred lines, but it's also found in all other retriever breeds and some of the spaniels.

It's a genetic fault in the neuromuscular transmitters to the hind legs. If the dog gets overtired, overheated, and overexcited, their hind end quits working. But you know it's not heat stroke because in 15 minutes with rest and hydration they're absolutely fine, as though nothing had happened.

It's the scariest thing -- Ruby has had one episode, during intensive training on a very hot day. I thought she had stepped in a hole and broken her back. While some dogs are severely affected and some have died during an episode, Ruby seems to be only mildly affected, and with Doggie Gatorade and cooling mats, fans, etc. she has never had another attack.

150 posted on 09/18/2009 6:33:28 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: brytlea

mine i don’t think know the difference..... we refer to them as arizona dog biscuts :)


151 posted on 09/18/2009 6:40:34 PM PDT by Americanwolf (Palin/Beck 2012!!..... Wilson/Palin 2012!!!...... Palin/Wilson2012!!!)
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To: PJ-Comix
Dogs Interpret (Human) Signals Better Than Chimps


152 posted on 09/18/2009 7:03:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: thecabal
tooo funny...
153 posted on 09/18/2009 7:50:22 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

No kidding? I wonder if that is what my little Rex has. He can literally come to a stop and not move for about 5 minutes.

I have been saying for years he is a dork and lazy. I just pick him up.

Does it affect cockers or is my little guy just a little lazy?


154 posted on 09/18/2009 7:52:24 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: nnn0jeh

Cute pictures on this thread and see video at post 25


155 posted on 09/18/2009 7:55:22 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Vendome
Don't know if it's been identified in cockers or not, but what you're describing doesn't sound like it. The hind end collapses while they're still trying to run in front. Here's video showing the characteristic progress of an episode -- it's very disturbing at first glance, but then you see that the pup keeps on wagging, fetching, and looking perfectly happy even while she's dragging her hind legs. It doesn't seem to bother THEM - just their owners!

Exercise Induced Collapse

The University of Minnesota Vet School is the outfit that isolated the gene and developed the blood test.

156 posted on 09/18/2009 8:26:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

I could only watch a couple of seconds of that video.

You are right. That ain’t my little boy. He’s just lazy. I don’t care.

I love him and sometimes they what they is.

thanks for the video, erh, sort of.

Thank you.


157 posted on 09/18/2009 9:23:00 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
What a great story...goats can be taught lots of things...I had one born to a young nanny that was not suppose to be preg...She had a buck that I named after my Son-in-Law...I taught him to shake paws for a hand-full of corn...He got ornery at about 4 when I let him breed for the first time...

Our first kidding season (my hubby and I being city folk that decided to raise goats) we lost 3 out of 4 of our first year...But the one I was able to save became quite a pet...He was the only one that I could let out of the pasture and he would follow me around the farm, if he lost track of me he'd baaa baaa until I called him...I spent so much time with him and carried him to the alfalfa field (he was too weak to walk) and I'd hold him up with my calfs (leg muscles not cow) and let him eat all he wanted and supplemented him with a bottle several times a day...A neighbor around the corner raised dairy goats and I'd go buy a gallon from her for my little guy (that ended up being his name)

Angora's don't smell like a lot of breeds of goats as they are like deer and have a breeding season (2 months) at that time the breeding billys stink to high heaven...They urinate on themselves and I guess that is irrestistible to the nannys...Just not to the owners....You can smell those guys from 30 feet away...P.U.

As a general rule 1 goat is a lonely goat, being a flock animal they are more at ease with others...

I got on a thread quite a while back of with one gal that was able to housebreak her goat...she sent me a picture...now thats a woman with patience...but she too had a great story....

158 posted on 09/18/2009 9:49:28 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Vendome
Yep, that's why I mentioned that it is pretty disturbing.

But as long as the dog seems o.k. and not frightened, it's not as bad as it would be otherwise. It's when they're scared of what's happening that it's really bad.

When Ruby went down, she had four of us working over her and one on the phone to the vet. She had no idea what the fuss was about, but she enjoyed it very much, she was wagging her tail and smiling and licking everyone's hands . . . one of the pro trainers said, "Ruby, I hope you're not doing this just to get all this attention."

159 posted on 09/18/2009 10:26:20 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: goat granny
If we had kept Leona, I would have had a shot at housebreaking her. She was very intelligent, and affectionate too. It may have just been cupboard love, because she lived like a pampered princess with us, but she learned to recognize the sound of my car motor (and my footsteps) and would bleat for me to 'hurry up please!'

I was warned not to keep a billy! Oddly enough the lady down the hill on the OTHER side had an old billy goat with one horn and he WAS a stinky old fellow. She kept him on a tether in the yard to eat the kudzu.

This neighborhood was in downtown Atlanta but you might as well have been somewhere out in the country in north Georgia. The area was settled by folks out of NW GA who came down to Atlanta to work in the Tull Sheet Metal factory, and they brought the country with them. We loved it!

160 posted on 09/18/2009 10:32:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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