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TORA BORA REVISITED: HOW WE FAILED TO GET BIN LADEN AND WHY IT MATTERS TODAY
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS ^ | NOVEMBER 30, 2009 | John F. Kerry, Chairman

Posted on 11/29/2009 8:55:56 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin

LETTER OF TRANSMITTAL

UNITED STATES SENATE, COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, Washington, DC, November 30, 2009

DEAR COLLEAGUE: This report by the Committee majority staff is part of our continuing examination of the conflict in Afghanistan. When we went to war less than a month after the attacks of September 11, the objective was to destroy Al Qaeda and kill or capture its leader, Osama bin Laden, and other senior figures in the terrorist group and the Taliban, which had hosted them. Today, more than eight years later, we find ourselves fighting an increasingly lethal insurgency in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan that is led by many of those same extremists. Our inability to finish the job in late 2001 has contributed to a conflict today that endangers not just our troops and those of our allies, but the stability of a volatile and vital region. This report relies on new and existing information to explore the consequences of the failure to eliminate bin Laden and other extremist leaders in the hope that we can learn from the mistakes of the past. Sincerely,

JOHN F. KERRY, Chairman

(Excerpt) Read more at foreign.senate.gov ...


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Reference; Society
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; democrats; johnkerry; kerry; obl; wot
This is Kerry's report released today
1 posted on 11/29/2009 8:55:58 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Didn’t JF’nK serve in VietNam?


2 posted on 11/29/2009 8:56:51 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Isn’t the lesson of Viet Nam to not snatch Defeat from the jaws of Victory?


3 posted on 11/29/2009 8:58:26 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I’ve heard that rumor.


4 posted on 11/29/2009 8:58:46 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

General Tommy Franks was right. In his book he described how the Mujahadeen used Tora Bora several times to trap Russian soldiers in a killing zone. This was the same trap. Proof? The Afghanistans themselves were recalcitrant to move on Tora Bora; waiting 12 hours for the Al Queda & Taliban there to realize the trap was known, and to pull out.

Wonder how the left would be spinning it today if we had charged into a historically known trap and lost hundreds of soldiers.


5 posted on 11/29/2009 8:58:57 AM PST by HD1200
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

http://www.amazon.com/Dereliction-Duty-Eyewitness-Compromised-Americas/dp/0895260603/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259513102&sr=8-2-spell

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1440359/Clinton-missed-chance-to-get-rid-of-bin-Laden.html

http://www.terrorismfiles.org/individuals/declaration_of_jihad1.html


6 posted on 11/29/2009 8:59:51 AM PST by CommieCutter ("You wanted the presidency, you got it, now FIX THE DAMN ECONOMY!!!!" ----YankeeReb)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I’m just wondering does he have a report on how his treasonous activities and meetings with the communist North Vietnamese in Paris prolonged the Vietnam war...

And then how his party’s cut off of aid to our ally allowed the North Vietnamese to break the peace and destroy South Vietnam?

Taking advice from this leftist idiot is the last thing we should do.


7 posted on 11/29/2009 9:00:57 AM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: HD1200

It seems unlikely Bin Laden is the driving force behind the Taliban or Al Queda today. I’d rather have gotten him, but no reason to believe there would be no Taliban problem today if we had.


8 posted on 11/29/2009 9:02:39 AM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
..scumbags conveniently omit Clintons/Berger frozen trigger finger episode
9 posted on 11/29/2009 9:03:08 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I bet a lot of fools hearing this report think we have always had the current situation in Afghanistan. Not realizing GWB took that country from the Taliban with minimal US casualties.


10 posted on 11/29/2009 9:04:07 AM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

So then based on this report, when is Obama launching an all out, no holds barred final offensive against Al Queda in Pakistan, Iran and Somalia?


11 posted on 11/29/2009 9:05:51 AM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: Williams

I’m thinking we should rig a parachute to a swift boat, put John Kerry in it, drop it over Tora Bora, and let him show us the proper way.


12 posted on 11/29/2009 9:06:01 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Just in time for Obama’s speech on Tuesday. It was Bush’s fault. Obama inherited the Afghan war from Bush.


13 posted on 11/29/2009 9:06:09 AM PST by kabar
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To: HD1200
‘the Mujahadeen used Tora Bora several times to trap Russian soldiers in a killing zone.’

Did we not help build these tunnels and escape routes, in the 70’s?

If they were known, the word Tora Bora, should be not even used today. Various types of bombs and the most effective destructive force should have been exercised during our campaign.

The debate today shouldn't be if OBL is alive or not, but in what century would life spring forth from the ground.

14 posted on 11/29/2009 9:06:45 AM PST by BGHater ('The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule')
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

This is the same Cut&Run Kerry who got out of Nam after 90 days? Great military genius.

Pray for America and Our Troops


15 posted on 11/29/2009 9:07:59 AM PST by bray (Palin can see the White House from her Porch)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Pure hyperbole BS, the idea that UBL was assuredly at Tora Bora during this time. Reality is he likely was already in PAK border regions week/s prior.....

Furthermore the notion that sending/dropping in a few thousand soldiers as blocking forces would have cut off the trails off Tora Bora is laughable.

16 posted on 11/29/2009 9:08:41 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I hate John Kerry. The release is nothing more than a blame game that Obama can use as his big speech highlight. In my mind, Kerry is angling to be the next SECDEF. It makes me sick to think of that but I’m worried that Gates will step down soon and that this buffoon will be nominated. It would be in keeping with the epic fail moves already foisted upon us by this, the worst presidency in the history of the United States.


17 posted on 11/29/2009 9:08:45 AM PST by SueRae
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“Instead of using U.S. forces to capture Osama bin Laden… the President outsourced the job to Afghan warlords, who let bin Laden slip away.” John Kerry.
http://www.presidentialrhetoric.com/campaign/speeches/kerry_sept24.print.html


Is this what this idiot is now saying in this report?

It’s so funny in this report: that they depend on “intelligence” that tells them “Bin Laden was there” i.e. the same methods used to confirm WMD.


18 posted on 11/29/2009 9:10:15 AM PST by CommieCutter ("You wanted the presidency, you got it, now FIX THE DAMN ECONOMY!!!!" ----YankeeReb)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Imagine getting him BEFORE 9-11. It might never have been a day we’ll never forget..


19 posted on 11/29/2009 9:11:47 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SueRae

“In my mind, Kerry is angling to be the next SECDEF.”

Wow! We’re so screwed.


20 posted on 11/29/2009 9:12:24 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Tora Bora should have been nuked. PERIOD. We blew it!


21 posted on 11/29/2009 9:12:58 AM PST by surfer
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
This report relies on new and existing information to explore the consequences of the failure to eliminate bin Laden and other extremist leaders in the hope that we can learn from the mistakes of the past.

Oh, so Kerry has downgraded Bin Laden and the rest to "extremists". They are no longer terrorists.

Isn't it funny how the Democrats want to have it both ways? They want to be seen as gung ho about getting Bin Laden, yet they're too squeemish to use the strongest words when speaking of him.

22 posted on 11/29/2009 9:13:27 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

What a joke, I just read through the report. It reads like a political novel. Guess I’m not surprised.


23 posted on 11/29/2009 9:15:08 AM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
Kerry, why the long face?

Because those who make an HONEST evaluation realize that 1993 was the point of "inaction"... after the original WTC bombing.

Where were you, John Kerry(we know you were in Vietnam)before/during/after 93?

Democraps are so good at revisionist history...to pacify their failures.

24 posted on 11/29/2009 9:16:49 AM PST by RckyRaCoCo
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To: CommieCutter

This is all old news! Didn’t Whoreraldo and his brother show us years ago the exact path at Tora Bora that OBL excapet on?


25 posted on 11/29/2009 9:17:40 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: CommieCutter

Bingo!

If they had wanted bin Laden, they would have smoked his arse back when Clinton had several opportunities to do so.
Kerry was all over that one, huh?

Nope, this is nothing more than another failed attempt to pin the blame on the Bush-”It’s Bush’s fault”-donkey and divert from Barry inept ability to perform as Commander-in-Chief.


26 posted on 11/29/2009 9:21:48 AM PST by cranked
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“On July 12, Tenet went to Capitol Hill to provide a top-secret briefing for senators about the rising threat of an imminent attack. Only a handful of senators turned up in S-407, the secure conference room in the Capitol, to hear the
CIA director warn that he was extremely worried that bin Laden and Al Qaeda were preparing an attack on U.S. soil.”

Which Senators showed John?


27 posted on 11/29/2009 9:23:20 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

At any rate, contrary to Kerry’s BS rhetoric on this, capturing or killing bin Laden would not make any difference as it relates to ongoing acts of Islamic oriented fundamentalist terrorism....not a damn bit of difference.


28 posted on 11/29/2009 9:23:57 AM PST by cranked
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

This is Obama’s “if we fail in Afghanistan it was all Bush’s fault” strategy.


29 posted on 11/29/2009 9:25:26 AM PST by historyrepeatz
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To: Red_Devil 232

Didnt Geraldo find the box Jimmy Hoffa was buried in there?


30 posted on 11/29/2009 9:26:09 AM PST by woofie
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Well it has been nearly a year since the messiah took over... where is Osama?


31 posted on 11/29/2009 9:29:32 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

The rats stoop lower and become more desperate as the rot of their bankrupt ideas is exposed. The Afgan campaign was a brilliant success. We rid the country of the dreaded Taliban and Al Queda in about 2 months. Our brave men and women accomplished trememdous results with relatively little resources. The evil doers were put on the run with huge disruptions to their operations.

The idea that Al Gore, John Kerry, BHO or any other rat would have found Bin Laden is laughable. A large scale invasion of Pakistan would have been necessary. The military commanders made their best judgment on Tora Bora given the intelligance and constraints at that time. Bush did not make any stupid demands on the military. He wisely listened to their recommedations. To think that the dithering BHO would have willed a different outcome is absurd. He despises the military and the causes for which our military has been used.


32 posted on 11/29/2009 9:35:59 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: woofie

I thought it was a safe not a box.


33 posted on 11/29/2009 10:03:44 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
John kerry oompa loompa Pictures, Images and Photos

Kerry and the Foreign Relations committee...

34 posted on 11/29/2009 10:04:01 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
booo...


Yooo Hooo... I'm over HERE!!!
35 posted on 11/29/2009 10:24:36 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Chode

That last one looks like he is waving to Barney Frank.


36 posted on 11/29/2009 10:27:10 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
He overlooks Clinton's TWO chances to get him.

One was a pure hand-over the other happened when his admin would not allow us to get him when they had him cornered.

37 posted on 11/29/2009 10:52:18 AM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: capt. norm

“He overlooks Clinton’s TWO chances to get him.”

But of coarse. The timing is suspect also. Just before Zero’s speech is just a coincidenc I’m sure.


38 posted on 11/29/2009 10:57:54 AM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Waste and fraud are synonymous with gov't spending)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
yup, attention whore... first class.
39 posted on 11/29/2009 11:50:32 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

So, why did Lurch vote *against* vests for US troops? And then bitch about the lack when he accepted the nomination in 2004? And then get a free pass from the so-called journalists in attendance and not in attendance?


40 posted on 12/01/2009 6:14:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv; Red_Devil 232; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Jet Jaguar; El Gato
Anybody remember the Air Force's Big Blue 82?

If you do, we'll chat over the odds of Osama bin Laden's survival at Tora Bora.

He's pushing up poppies.
41 posted on 12/01/2009 6:25:28 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: BIGLOOK

IMHO under Objective Ginger,,,

Killed by a Louisiana Long Rifle...(B-52)...


42 posted on 12/01/2009 6:39:06 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: BIGLOOK

:’)


43 posted on 12/01/2009 8:21:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BIGLOOK
Anybody remember the Air Force's Big Blue 82?

Sure, but to be effective it must be dropped where your target is. If the target is not there when the BLU-82 arrives , it won't be destroyed.

44 posted on 12/01/2009 10:04:32 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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