Skip to comments.Debra Medina, Glen Beck and the Northwoods Truthers
Posted on 02/19/2010 6:42:37 AM PST by Robert Drobot
In an obvious ambush of Texas Republican gubernatorial candidate Debra Medina, Fox News commentator Glen Beck told Medina in a radio interview that he had received emails from listeners saying that she was a 9/11 truther, that is, a person who believes that the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks.
Medina failed to specifically deny the charge, indicated that she didnt have an opinion on the matter, stated that some good questions had been raised about the issue, and said that the American people had not seen all the evidence. Medina later issued a statement stating that she has never been involved in the 9/11 truth movement and affirming her conviction that the U.S. government was not behind the 9/11 attacks.
After the interview was over, Beck and his on-air cohorts began yucking it up, scratching off any prospects for Medina, who has recently soared from 4 percent in the polls to 24 percent, to win the race. Wow! Beck exclaimed, The fastest way back to four percent. I think I can write her off the list.
Becks mindset was precisely the type of mindset that I described in my September 17, 2009, article Operation Northwoods and the 9/11 Truthers. That article addressed the mindset of Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer regarding the 9/11 truthers, a mindset that is clearly the same as Becks.
(Excerpt) Read more at fff.org ...
Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag plan that originated within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other operatives to commit genuine acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro. One part of the Operation Northwoods plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods is especially notable in that it included proposals for hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate a foreign government.
The plan stated:
"The desired resultant frhrgom the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."
Several other proposals were included within the Operation Northwoods plan, including real or simulated actions against various U.S military and civilian targets.
Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Northwoods was signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense.
Operation Northwoods was part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative. Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted and the proposals included in the plan were never executed.
Origins and public release
The main proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)," a collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group. (The parenthetical "TS" in the title of the document is an initialism for "Top Secret.") The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 as a preliminary submission for planning purposes. The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended that both the covert and overt aspects of any such operation be assigned to them.
The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997, by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board, a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination.[Citation][Citation][Citation][Citation][Citation] A total 1521 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.
"Appendix to Enclosure A" and "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN's 1998 Cold War television documentary series[Citation][Citation]specifically, as a documentation supplement to "Episode 10: Cuba," which aired on November 29, 1998.[Citation][Citation] "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.
The Northwoods document was published online in a more complete form (i.e., including cover memoranda) by the National Security Archive on April 30, 2001.[Citation]
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Will the real Glen Beck please stand.
This guy's blaming Beck? I'd say Beck did the people of Texas a favor for exposing this loon.
He asked a freakin question and she couldn’t answer. In fact she couldn’t even answer when he asked “Tell me about yourself”.
I suspect that he is actually a RINO who will campaign vigorously for the Romney/Whitman ticket in 2012.
No, I am not joking.
He wants to sabotage Palin, and he wants to create a large audience of RINO moderates -- he is intentionally offending all the birfers and Birthers, he wants the conservatives marginalized and the RINO mods to rise ascendant.
Stark raving NUTS.
Northwoods sounds like a problem for the Area 51 followers to handle.
Sorry to burst the balloon, but Beck did Texas a big favor exposing Medina.
Better yet will the real Debra Medina please stand. She was asked a couple of questions “do you believe” and “would you disavow” and basically couldn’t answer either with a straight forward answer. She did the Texas Two Step all around a straight forward answer and now she is reaping the results of her dancing.
Early voting is now ongoing and in 10 days we’ll know the political outcome of Medina’s governor run.
Its not Becks fault that Madina sounded like Rosie O’Donell when he asked her the simple question that she could have answered with a simple “NO”..
GLENN: Right. Here’s then let me be more frank and ask you the question: Do you believe the government was any way involved with the bringing down of the World Trade Centers on 9/11?
MEDINA: I don’t, I don’t have all of the evidence there, Glenn. So I don’t I’m not in a place, I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there. So I’ve not taken a position on that.
GLENN: I think the people of America might think that might be a yes.
Exactly. Beck didn’t ‘ambush her’. IN fact, anyone that heard that interview listened as Beck threw her line after line to save herself from coming off as a 1st class kook.
She refused. Then in an interview THIS WEEK she contradicted herself multiple times, and flat out lied about what she said in the Beck interview.
Thats the reality. She’s toast, and SHE struck the match that toasted herself. And then doused herself in more gasoline.
The Medina crybabies just keep the caterwauling a-comin’.
I had hopes for her as an underdog but frankly I’m glad she was exposed.
Operation Northwoods - good info, had not seen that before. It certainly has interesting parallels to how we got involved with Cuba to begin with, i.e. Remember the Maine, Hearst’s yellow journalism, etc.
I think that Beck falls into category 1 (which I do also). I think he believes that 9/11 truthers are loons because the evidence is so overwhelming that the attack was carried out by Al Quada fanatics bent on destroying us and had no government involvement whatsoever that to deny this basic truth is like denying that clouds are white.
I’d say there was a difference between Cuba(Northwoods) and Afghanistan.
What possible gain was there for doing such an evil deed in order to start a war in Afghanistan? I don’t see the gain.
I do agree Beck was rude in all his giggling, after he got he finished with Medina. It rather disgusted me.
Seems like Beck is not the drunk....don’t you go driving when you’re like that.....y’hear?
It’s pretty sad when a talk show hosting asking a candidate a question which required a simple “Yes or No” response is considered an “ambush.”
If Medina can’t even handle questions like that, then regardless of whether she’s a whackjob Troofer or not, she still has no business being anywhere near the Governour’s mansion.
offending all the birfers and Birthers,
are birfers and Birthers the same?
Yeah, this “ambush” charge is the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a while. If she can’t answer a simple question like that without dissembling, she has no business being a governor. Medina is the one who showed her ass, not Beck.
True enough. I agree with you that Medina should be able to answer simple questions, or at least have the political acumen not to harpoon her campaign during a simple interview.
However, Beck has since been on some kind of tear, calling anyone who questions why Obama hasn't shown his BC "birthers," equating them with "truthers" then claiming that they're a "lunatic fringe" that "hates America." Last night he was lumping "birthers" with the guy who flew the plane into the Austin building.
Beck is morphing from a hard-working investigator (who regularly brought valuable info to the table) into a self-important douchebag who is under some delusion that everyone can't wait to hear his confused opinions on everything.
The author of the article seems to think that the US being behind the attacks is entirely plausible. No wonder he blames Beck. He’s a truther himself.
Good. They're nuts. They deserve it.
“Obvious ambush” my foot! Beck asked Medina the question in a way that was clearly designed for her to make a strong denial and put the matter to rest. It seemed clear to me that he considered the rumors to be false and wanted to give her a chance to clear the air. It was a batting practice, soft toss, for her to knock out of the park.
Instead, she chose to take the bat, and beat her campaign on the head repeatedly, and has continued to do so, with her idiotic comments suggesting the “truthers” have some good points.
The author states the following further down in the article ...
1. I have reviewed the evidence and have not been convinced that the government was behind the attacks.
2. I have reviewed the evidence and am convinced that the government was behind the attacks.
3. I have not reviewed the evidence and, therefore, do not have an opinion on the subject.
4. I dont care what the evidence is because it is inconceivable that the U.S. government would ever commit such a dastardly act, and anyone who doesnt immediately denounce such a possibility is an unpatriotic whacko who hates America.
From the interview with Medina its obvious which category Beck falls into: Number 4, the same category that Krauthammer falls into.”
He is missing an important fifth category ...
“Though I did not take the claims of “truthers” seriously from the outset, I have surveyed the ‘evidence’ enough to recognize its absurdity, and determined that it is inconcievable that the U.S. government committed THIS dastardly act. Thus, anyone that does not immediately denounce such a possilbility is entertaining anti-American propaganda, and giving aid and comfort to the real perpetrators of this act of war.”
I’d guess that Beck and Krauthammer, like me and most reasonable American patriots, actually fall into the 5th category ... not the 4th.
Heard Mdina’s interview with Beck when he replayed it yesterday and he also played her interview with another host after his interview with her and she answered the questions opposite of the way she answered with Beck. Just from those two interviews summed it up for me. She speaks out of both sides of her mouth. She is a Scozzi BIGTIME! Wouldn’t trust her with my vote!
Medina is a nutcase. No opinion on Beck. He ain’t running for anything so I don’t care.
Perhaps. But Beck is just a guy on the radio, and he has an on/off switch. Elected officials don’t. Well, not until the end of their respective terms.
Hahahahahaha! Nice try. Medina enjoys the support of the Truthers and she got outted. Medina is just another politcal hack, and she showed it that day on the air.
This idea that Beck (or anybody else) sabotaged Medina is absurd. If you cant answer did the govt have anything to do with the 9/11 attacks? you're not be fit to run for dogcatcher.
For God's sake, has anybody really looked into her platform- her background? Has this woman even been vetted?
She wants legalized drugs.
She backs gay marriage.
She has not spoken to her elderly parents for YEARS. They had to find out she was runing for governor of Texas by reading the newspaper!
http://www.statesman.com/news/texas-politics/medina-hailing-from-beeville-learned-political-skills-on-229907.html?srcTrk=RTR_95609 What does this say about this woman's character? And rumors are begin to surface about husband Noe's past associations.
Take a look at some of the statements she has made: "Its a shame isnt it, that Republicans continue to ignore Hispanics especially here in Texas?
"Who is going to think more about Latino families? Rick Perry, Kay Bailey Hutchison or me, who has a Latino family?
"Being married, however, to someone with a Mexican American heritage, I certainly embrace the culture.
"I believe we too often get into race when its immaterial. (Obummer, is that you?)
I don't believe for one minute Medina's propaganda about wanting to strengthen the border!
La Raza probably has her in their back pocket!
Glenn Beck has once again helped the tea-party stay in the Republican mainstreamby by weeding out dangerous fringe thinkers like Medina.
Medina is NOT representative of the Tea Party movement. She USED them- latched herself on to them. Shes a hard core Libertarian who has realized that the Libertarian Party will never win anything and that the only possible way to get herself into office is to do what Ron Paul did and wrap herself in the Republican cloak in hopes that it will fool enough of the voters enough of the time. Thank God Glen Beck outed her in time.
Retrieve your sombrero from the ring and go home Senora Medina. You're Texas toast.
I was supporting Perry anyway, but kinda liked what she had to say about things up to that point. I don’t doubt that gubermint would pull off a terror attack to promote an agenda, especially with the POSPOTUS we have now, BUT that wasn’t the case then, and as was said, why promote a war with Afghanistan, and I’d find it exceptionally hard to believe that an attack of that magnitude would be planned by anyone in our government. I certainly wouldn’t put it past Zero to want to do something like that, since he is a muzzie himself, but he’d had a big problem with it because the number of people involved in an operation like that. Someone wouldn’t be able to keep their piehole shut, and that is another reason to discount any govt. involvement.
So you have proof the WH usurper’s a natural born American?
he’d HAVE a big problem with it...oops
Whether he is or not, it’s obvious nothing will be done about it.
Why beat your head against a wall about it?
The effort is best spent elsewhere.
You have papers? Good morning old friend.
So you out yourself as a truther as well. No wonder you are so willing to back Medina on this, you're as nutty as she is.
Ambush, oh please... it was a legitimate question and she repeated the same line (actually making it worse) in a couple more interviews that week. There are reports from people who attended church with her that not only does she say this crap all the time, but she sends out truther emails often (some of these may be coming out in the next week or so before the primary).
Damn the Constitution, full speed ahead ???
It is also interesting to note that his choices allow for (1) unconvinced of government involvement, (2) convinced of government involvement, (3) no opinion and (4) oblivious to evidence.
Aside from the “fingers-in-the-ears” choice — he does not allow for the possibility of being convinced that the government was not involved ... i.e. being convinced that the truthers are wrong/ idiotic. He allows us to be unconvinced that they are right — but, apparently, in order to avoid being thrust into the dreaded and unreasonable “Category 4”, we must keep open the option of being convinced sometime in the future
The real Glenn Beck has stood up.
It's Medina who needs to stand. I heard her answer to a very simple question. She is either a nut-bag 9-11 Truther herself, or was afraid to give an answer that would offend any 9-11 Truthers
The fact of the matter is that ALL 9-11 Truthers are out of their friggen minds. Or, are just plain STOO-PID™. Or, like Rosie O'Fatso, just hate America.
I don't have the time nor patience to give lessons in Engineering, Physics, or Construction of buildings & its materials, especially Hi-Rises, to a bunch of Moonbats. But to think the US Government, or those evil Jooooooz did it on purpose, or even raise the possibility of them doing it (as Medina did with her non answer-answer) is indication #1 of a very mentally ill person who has a serious psychotic disorder.(see Rosie O'Fatso above)
The ONLY organization in the world that can pull off any large murder 'conspiracy' and keep it secret is the Mafia, not the US gubmint. And the Mafia blows up cars not 100 story buildings. Hell, if someone high up at the CIA or DoD farts in the wrong direction the NY Times or WaPo knows about it within minutes.
Old friend is right bud :)