You should. And then read this one
Posted on 05/04/2010 5:29:11 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
It is remarkable that Theodore Roosevelt (TR to his friends), who has been beloved as an iconic patriot and president, would become a controversial figure today.
This unusual development is largely due to the rise of Glenn Beck.
Glenn has been right on many issues and his views are resonating with Main Street.
But he is wrong on one big issue: Theodore Roosevelt is not, as he claims, the root cause of President Obama’s intrusive, “big government” policies.
It is no accident that TR’s face is chiseled into Mount Rushmore along with those of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, as he is rightly regarded by historians as one of the greatest presidents in American history.
He was raised to that height in the national consciousness by the weight of important achievements that significantly advanced the interests of the United States.
Strong in this belief, I have found Glenn Beck’s criticism of TR surprising.
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Thx. Imperial Cruise really shocked me w/ regard to planting the seeds of WWII (in 1905!).
Theodore Roosevelt started the Progressive Party in 1912 and ran with this new party, as a 3rd party candidate when he did not get the GOP Nomination. That assured that Woodrow Wilson, the most leftist President in the 1900’s got elected.
T. Roosevelt reminds me of McCain. Had lots of money, was against Big Business, and sided with the Environmental Wackos.
From Wikipeadia:
“After two weeks, Roosevelt, realizing he would not be able to win the nomination outright, asked his followers to leave the convention hall. They moved to the Auditorium Theatre, and then Roosevelt, along with key allies such as Pinchot and Albert Beveridge created the Progressive Party, structuring it as a permanent organization that would field complete tickets at the presidential and state level. It was popularly known as the “Bull Moose Party,” which got its name after Roosevelt told reporters, “I’m as fit as a bull moose.”[63] At the convention Roosevelt cried out, “We stand at Armageddon and we battle for the Lord.” Roosevelt’s platform echoed his 1907–08 proposals, calling for vigorous government intervention to protect the people from the selfish interests.[64]
“ To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.” - 1912 Progressive Party Platform, attributed to him[65] and quoted again in his autobiography[66] where he continues “’This country belongs to the people. Its resources, its business, its laws, its institutions, should be utilized, maintained, or altered in whatever manner will best promote the general interest.’ This assertion is explicit. ... Mr. Wilson must know that every monopoly in the United States opposes the Progressive party. ... I challenge him ... to name the monopoly that did support the Progressive party, whether ... the Sugar Trust, the Steel Trust, the Harvester Trust, the Standard Oil Trust, the Tobacco Trust, or any other. ... Ours was the only programme to which they objected, and they supported either Mr. Wilson or Mr. Taft... “
“He (Roosevelt) did win 4.1 million votes (27%), compared to Taft’s 3.5 million (23%). However, Wilson’s 6.3 million votes (42%)”
So thank you Theodore Roosevelt for giving us 2 terms (8 years), of Woodrow Wilson, one of the worst Presidents in History.
“...it just means we have grown used to many socialistic policies.”
EXACTLY! What should have happened, is that the parents and loved ones of the children who were being used and abused should have worked to better their lot in life - not force their kids into the same doldrums of their own adult lives!
Almost ALL government corrections of a “capitalistic” problem are TOO MUCH and become WRONG HEADED in short order!
Your rant against wall street is amusing. You left out the part about how those banksters would have had to have faced the downside of their bad decisions had it not been for government protecting them with money stolen from the people.
The banksters own Congress. If the federal government were following the US Constituion, there would be no bailouts, no SEC, no Federal Reserve, no fiat currency, no FDIC (which has been insolvent for years), no federal regulations on banking.
Banks that did risky things would be punished through failure and possibly fraud prosecution in their state if there was fraud involved.
The Federal Reserve and the fiat currency and the fractional reserve banking allow all these financial games to happen.
The federal government is unconstitutionally meddling in the market with financial regulations.
They are restricting freedom and created the boom and bust cycle hand-in-hand with the Federal Reserve, they enable banksters to defraud the world when they bail them out and mandate risky schemes like lending to lots of people who are credit risks.
Who wants global government now to cover up their failings? The international banksters.
Wow, so having a law that says kids 10 years old can’t work 12 hours a day in coal mines is socialism. News to me. I go by the Websters dictionary version of socialism which says that the government controls the means of production and distribution of services and goods. I don’t see where having child labor laws deals with that.
You see, I’m in favor of free markets, not crony capitalism. Which by the way we are dealing with today. The same type of stuff TR had to deal with back in his day. Back then, his crony capitalists was Rockefeller. Today, ours is Shifty Paulsen’s Goldman Sachs. Isn’t it funny that Rockefeller’s kin are Democrats....
You should. And then read this one
While serving as a Sunday School teacher, Teddy Roosevelt noticed one of his students sported a black eye. Roosevelt asked him if he had been fighting. The child reported that he had defended his sister against an older boy who had been bullying her. Roosevelt rewarded him with a dollar and praised his behavior.
The church elders dismissed Roosevelt shortly after this event.
Remember that TR’s generation was dominated by ruthless “robber barons” who did not hesitate to use devious means to eliminate competition.
Yeah. those 'evil' “robber barons” -- gag me. Without those "robber barons", America wouldn't have become America.
Like with those evil 'robber barons' who owned the Railroads and connected East with West. Or that other evil 'robber baron', John D Rockefeller who made gasoline available to everyone (by cutting prices) with his Standard Oil Company, which iirc kind of boosted the fledging Auto Industry. Or that Andrew Carnegie 'robber baron' fellow who made Steel and created the US Steel Company.
So yeah, shame on them. Those rich 'robber baron' bast##ds! Off with their heads.
When I was in grade school and taught about those 'robber barons' you got the impression they ate puppies for breakfast.
“Look what happen in Wall Street.”
You fail to notice that once again, it was government intrusion into the home buyer market (trying to force/encourage home ownership) that foisted these “shaky mortgages” on the market in the first place.
Look, if you were forced to buy 1000 lemons a day at your tea stand, there is a good chance, you will start selling lemonade before too long. Now, when we find out that the lemons were old and starting to go bad - don’t yell at me for trying to make a profit off of something that was FORCED UPON MY BUSINESS!
“Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
William Pitt
Huh? 60% of the budget or more is used for social security and medicare/medicaid. Maybe we could then cut back on policing the world. Are they our children? Are they not adults who can run their own lives?
Because if we didn't have the worlds strongest military, I guarantee you we would be invaded before long.
Really? What was that quote from Yamamoto? something about not wanting to invade the US because their was a rifle behind every blade of grass. Repeal every federal weapons law, tell the people to arm up, and you won't have a problem with invasion. Do you believe what you wrote? You need to stop living life out of fear.
Lets work on getting rid of the illegitimate reasons for government while leaving the legitimate reasons intact.
Like I said. Article 1, section 8 lists those legitimate reasons. Funding a military is one of them. Hve you read the US Constitution recently? Have you seen what the budget is used for recently? If they can't raise the money through means that don't involve making us all slaves, then they shouldn't buy it.
Your fear campaign will not work on me.
Your’s is a lame ‘for the children’ defense; typical of the Left.
Child labor laws had been a social issue well before TR and would have become law with or without TR.
TR was the first president to spend taxpayer dollars on a grand peacetime Navy. This was but one symptom of his global vision for America, but it all cost much more than the nation had been accustomed to spending, hence leading to progressive tendencies of power grab and calling for taxation of income without apportionment.
TR was not popular at the end of his presidency because of his overreach tendencies, his resorting to certain tactics to denigrate his opposition, his acts of self-embellishment.
You have one point that is accurate, TR had regrets later in life. He was capable of looking back and seeing the error of his ways. But he was not steeped enough in Christian philosophy to see the nature of mankind and its government to take precedent from seemingly innocent things and grow them into horrors. That’s why Beck calls TR out on his history, because TR could not ‘see’ the dangers behind the doors he opened with good intentions.
But TR is not completely to blame. In his time there were many people behind a plethora of populist causes; “Child Labor Laws”, the beginnings of “income taxation” and socialist Marxist philsophy. Marx was not yet a discredited economic philsophy, rather a popular egalitarian subject of political philosophy.
In short, the era of TR and especially the years that followed were awful for America. From a slate of populist issues, laws that were short-sighted were passed and even amendments to the Constitution were made that forever changed the character of freedom in America. Child labor laws were one of many laws that shifted power from states to the federal government. In the years following, it was used as one of the precedents for minimum wage laws, forced retirement savings such as Social Security and a number of socialist trophy issues that are now bankrupt and have culminated in the ultimate theft of American freedom in Health Care reform, the governance of our health.
It’s time to shift power back to states, to reverse the century of overreaching influence starting from the time of TR, repealing the 16th and 17th, and replacing the US Tax code with a growth inspiring and freedom preserving new tax code:
In many ways TR was a great man. However, it was he who popped the cork on Big Gubmint while President and it was he who opened the door to the loons forever by enabling Wilson. The greats often make mistakes. Too bad TR’s were so colossal.
If you read the book “The myth of the Robber Barons”, you see that some of them worked to provide customers with innovative products. Others worked with government to get government protection.
The first is capitalism, the other is an illegitimate use of government.
Which is exactly what child labor laws do. They rule out one method of producing and distributing goods and services by making it illegal.
By your definition no government has ever been socialistic, as no government has ever been able to fully "control the means of production and distribution of services and goods."
But it is entirely accurate to call policies, such as prohibiting child labor, that move society in a socialist direction socialistic in tendency if not in nature.
We quite obviously live in a mixed economy. We are probably at present roughly equidistant between true capitalism and true socialism. This has benefits as well as drawbacks. Arguably it's the most free system compatible with a fully modern society.
But that a policy with socialist tendencies is beneficial and possibly even necessary does not cause it to cease being socialist.
The State governments may be regarded as constituent and essential parts of the federal government; whilst the latter is nowise essential to the operation or organization of the former. Without the intervention of the State legislatures, the President of the United States cannot be elected at all. They must in all cases have a great share in his appointment, and will, perhaps, in most cases, of themselves determine it. The Senate will be elected absolutely and exclusively by the State legislatures. Even the House of Representatives, though drawn immediately from the people, will be chosen very much under the influence of that class of men, whose influence over the people obtains for themselves an election into the State legislatures. Thus, each of the principal branches of the federal government will owe its existence more or less to the favor of the State governments, and must consequently feel a dependence, which is much more likely to beget a disposition too obsequious than too overbearing towards them. On the other side, the component parts of the State governments will in no instance be indebted for their appointment to the direct agency of the federal government, and very little, if at all, to the local influence of its members.
THIS my friend is what has been lost and until we restore it we will never again be what our founders intended!
Great post, MichiganConservative.
I’m all for repealing the 17th amendment.
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